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American P-38 Lightning Discovered Under Beach in North Wales (UK)
The Scottish Sun ^ | May 8, 2010 | NEIL SYSON

Posted on 05/08/2010 7:14:57 AM PDT by BronzePencil

THE eerie outline of a crashed wartime fighter plane emerges from the sands of a British beach. Incredibly, the rusting wreckage went undetected for more than 60 years.

Now a charity plans to retrieve the American Lockheed P38 Lightning - which suddenly appeared three years ago after being buried on the shore.

It was discovered at low tide following a drop in beach levels at Harlech, North Wales.

(Excerpt) Read more at thescottishsun.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aviation; planecrash; two; wales; war; world; wwii
Cool picture. Prayers for the pilot.
1 posted on 05/08/2010 7:14:57 AM PDT by BronzePencil
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To: BronzePencil

an aside: how is it that this was noticed 3 years ago when the oceans only began receding at the moment of Obozo’s victory?


2 posted on 05/08/2010 7:18:36 AM PDT by Enchante (Obama and Brennan think that 20% of terrorists re-joining the battle is just fine with them)
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To: BronzePencil
Glacier Girl
3 posted on 05/08/2010 7:20:43 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: BronzePencil

That link doesn’t load right for me. Keeps refreshing non-stop!


4 posted on 05/08/2010 7:26:22 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: BronzePencil

I don’t know where they found that stock picture of the p-38 in flight, but that isn’t a standard model. Looks like experimental mods to the wings. The one in the sand has the standard wings.


5 posted on 05/08/2010 7:26:34 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Link didn’t work for me the first time. Hit a manual reload, and it popped up.


6 posted on 05/08/2010 7:27:21 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Enchante

Al Whore isn’t going to like this.
Every liberal knows that the sea is rising and Britain is half under water already.


7 posted on 05/08/2010 7:27:30 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: BronzePencil

Perhaps of even greater interest, is picture number 3 which is a picture of a P-38 with some rather interesting additions.


8 posted on 05/08/2010 7:29:32 AM PDT by wita
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To: BronzePencil
Old news actually, from back in late 2007.
9 posted on 05/08/2010 7:40:02 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: BronzePencil

When I was young (in the mid-60s), someone had a flying P38 based at a local airport. Seeing it fly over every so often was really a thrill. I don’t think I appreciated it fully until after it wasn’t there any more. I’m not sure what that extra plumbing is on the file photo plane....extra fuel tanks?

hh


10 posted on 05/08/2010 7:43:31 AM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: wita
Perhaps of even greater interest, is picture number 3 which is a picture of a P-38 with some rather interesting additions.

I'm pretty sure that was the laminar-flow test platform, referenced here

One P-38E was fitted with an extended central nacelle to accommodate a tandem-seat cockpit with dual controls, and was later fitted with a laminar flow wing.

However, I'm unable to find a picture of it online, other than in the article.
11 posted on 05/08/2010 7:46:58 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: BronzePencil
"P-38, a radical design conceived by Lockheed design genius Clarence "Kelly" Johnson in the late 1930s"

The aeronautical version of John Moses Browning.

12 posted on 05/08/2010 7:47:24 AM PDT by Paladin2 (to satisfy the social justice requirement)
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To: tanknetter
Duh, just using the wrong search string. Many sites with that pic here using P-38E + "laminar flow" to search in Google Images
13 posted on 05/08/2010 7:50:49 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter



14 posted on 05/08/2010 7:52:06 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: BronzePencil

how do you get “under” the beach? Just wondering.

That would be any wartime followers dream to look at, that’s for sure.


15 posted on 05/08/2010 7:53:38 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (There is no truth to the rumor that Ted Kennedy was buried at sea.....)
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To: tanknetter
Here's a good book on all the Lockheed aircraft.
16 posted on 05/08/2010 7:53:50 AM PDT by Loud Mime (The Constitutional Initial Point - - Initialpoints.net)
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To: MikefromOhio

Water moves sand around, as does moving air. How do you think the sand gets to the beach in the first place?


17 posted on 05/08/2010 7:56:43 AM PDT by Paladin2 (to satisfy the social justice requirement)
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To: BronzePencil

The old song was correct:

NO
don’t give me a P-38
the props, they counter-rotate
they’re scattered & sittin’
from Burma to Britain
don’t give me a P-38
NO

-CHORUS-
give me operations
way out on some lonely atoll
for I am too young to die
I just wanna grow old


18 posted on 05/08/2010 7:57:46 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Paladin2

I know. I was being sarcastic :-D

Buried would’ve been a better description, rather than “under”....


19 posted on 05/08/2010 7:59:20 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (There is no truth to the rumor that Ted Kennedy was buried at sea.....)
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To: BronzePencil

Being a part owner of this plane, I would like it returned!


20 posted on 05/08/2010 8:37:03 AM PDT by BallyBill (WARNING:Taking me serious could cause stress related illness.)
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To: BronzePencil

About eight to 10 years ago someone had pictures of some after WWII vintage pictures of a number of P-38s piled up in the center of the triange between the old runways on Shemya. He said they were either buried there or dumped in the ocean. I had hoped to get to Shemya with a GEM-1 or GEM-2 to look for them on the island. Didn’t happen.


21 posted on 05/08/2010 8:42:01 AM PDT by Western Phil
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To: BronzePencil

A flight of P-38’s were the birds that ambushed and killed Yamamoto in 1943.


22 posted on 05/08/2010 8:48:13 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Don't think of work as 5 days on, 2 days off. Instead think 4 nights on, 3 off.)
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To: BronzePencil

From the article: “US Air Force pilot Lt Robert Elliott walked away unscathed after the plane’s engines cut out on a training exercise, causing the crash.”

I know what happened. From looking at the picture, it’s clear that he didn’t clean all the barnacles out of his engine before he took off.


23 posted on 05/08/2010 8:54:07 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: MikefromOhio
how do you get “under” the beach? Just wondering.

You must be one of 'em landlubbers from Ohio. ;-)

Large Object + Sand + Ocean + Tide = Buried

It doesn't take very long at all.

21 vehicles buried in sand due to high tide ..... Sydney, Jan 21 (DPA) A group of Australian anglers competing in a beach fishing competition near Adelaide Sunday misjudged the tides and returned to find all 21 of their four-wheel-drive vehicles buried up to their roofs in the sand.

24 posted on 05/08/2010 9:13:32 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

LOL - how’d ya guess?

But the article said under. I was making a horrifically bad joke about it being “under” the beach instead of “buried”....my bad :-)


25 posted on 05/08/2010 9:15:45 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (There is no truth to the rumor that Ted Kennedy was buried at sea.....)
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To: PAR35
I don’t know where they found that stock picture of the p-38 in flight, but that isn’t a standard model. Looks like experimental mods to the wings. The one in the sand has the standard wings.

It also has a longer center fuselage than normal. Judging by the streamlined engine nacelles It's a pre-J model P-38. I found this on Wikipedia:

One P-38E was fitted with an extended central nacelle to accommodate a tandem-seat cockpit with dual controls, and was later fitted with a laminar flow wing.

26 posted on 05/08/2010 9:16:12 AM PDT by OA5599
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To: OA5599

Good find.


27 posted on 05/08/2010 9:22:52 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: BronzePencil

Oh look! They have page 3 girls in Scottland. I love those cute little kilts.


28 posted on 05/08/2010 9:44:26 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: hoosier hick
When I was young (in the mid-60s), someone had a flying P38 based at a local airport. Seeing it fly over every so often was really a thrill.

I hear you. Back in the '90s I was working in Macon, GA when a B-17 from the Confederate Air Force (Sentimental Journey) landed at their airport.

As a contractor, I could take time off to visit the craft and took a tour through the insides (think of walking through a small round culvert).

Later that day I was in a conference when I heard a familiar drone of engines. I have watched those WWII air battle movies so often I immediately recognized the plane. "That's a B-17!" I shouted and ran outside to see her coming over the plant at about 500 feet. I took off my cap and waved it just to show my appreciation. The pilot saw me and waggled his wings - I damned near wet myself. Back at the conference I got some strange looks and I just blew them off - the fools missed a once-in-a-lifetime moment.

29 posted on 05/08/2010 9:56:03 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Enchante
an aside: how is it that this was noticed 3 years ago when the oceans only began receding at the moment of Obozo’s victory?

Due to Global Warming (also known as AGW or Al Gore Warming) the ocean levels kept rising. So this plane was submerged. But keep in mind that more snow also means more global warming and so lower sea level means higher sea level. So when the sea level rose, the plane emerged! I hope this explanation is helpful.

30 posted on 05/08/2010 11:05:06 AM PDT by JimWayne
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To: hoosier hick

It amazes me to think that the same guy (Kelly Johnson) who led the design team for the P-38 in the lead up to WWII would also have a hand in the SR-71. The man’s genius seemed to be limitless...


31 posted on 05/08/2010 11:09:00 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: BallyBill

Dont know if anyone is aware, but there was a USAF base at Goxhill Haven, near here, and the planes were these P38 things.
Anyway, in 1944 a few of them crashed nearby, killing the pilots. One was identified ; a captain from upstate New York. There is a campaign by the Royal British Legion to have a memorial stone put down.
Unfortunately this is all I know. My Grandad and Gran told me, but they are long gone.
I ll try to find out a bit more.


32 posted on 05/08/2010 12:05:10 PM PDT by jabbermog (Fight Climate Change - Stop Bacteria Farting !)
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To: tanknetter

Thanks, I knew someone would find the answer. It points out something else I was not aware of, the yaw meter.


33 posted on 05/09/2010 3:54:18 AM PDT by wita
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