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Mark Steyn: Faisal Shahzad, Subprime Terrorist?
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | May 8, 2010 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 05/08/2010 9:22:46 AM PDT by neverdem

Faisal Shahzad, Subprime Terrorist?

Well, one way of falling behind with your house payments is to take half a year off to go to Pakistan and train in a terrorist camp.

 

The story of the Times Square bomber reads like some Urdu dinner-theater production of Mel Brooks’s The Producers that got lost in translation between here and Peshawar: A man sets out to produce the biggest bomb on Broadway since Dance a Little Closer closed on its opening night in 1983. Everything goes right: He gets a parking space right next to Viacom, owners of the hated Comedy Central! But then he gets careless: He buys the wrong fertilizer. He fails to open the valve on the propane tank. And next thing you know, his ingenious plot is the non-stop laugh riot of the Great White Way. Ha-ha! What a loser! Why, the whole thing’s totally — what’s the word? — “amateurish,” according to multiple officials. It “looked amateurish,” scoffed New York’s Mayor Bloomberg. “Amateurish,” agreed Janet Napolitano, the White House amateurishness czar.

Ha-ha-ha! How many jihadists does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: Twenty-seven. Twenty-six terrorist masterminds to supervise six months of rigorous training at a camp in Waziristan, after which the 27th flies back to Newark, goes to Home Depot, and buys a quart of lamp oil and a wick.

Is it so unreasonable to foresee that one day one of these guys will buy the wrong lamp oil and a defective wick and drop the Camp Osama book of matches in a puddle as he’s trying to light the bomb, and yet, this time, amazingly, it actually goes off? Not really. Last year, not one but two “terrorism task forces” discovered that U.S. Army psychiatrisat Nidal Hasan was in regular e-mail contact with the American-born, Yemeni-based cleric Ayman al-Awlaki but concluded that this was consistent with the major’s “research interests,” so there was nothing to worry about. A few months later, Major Hasan gunned down dozens of his comrades while standing on a table shouting “Allahu Akbar!” That was also consistent with his “research interests,” by the way. A policy of relying on stupid jihadists to screw it up every time will inevitably allow one or two to wiggle through. Hopefully not on a nuclear scale.

Faisal Shahzad’s curriculum vitae rang a vague bell with me. A couple of years back, I read a bestselling novel by Mohsin Hamid called The Reluctant Fundamentalist. His protagonist, Changez, is not so very different from young Faisal: They’re both young, educated, Westernized Muslims from prominent Pakistani families. Changez went to Princeton; Faisal went to the non-Ivy University of Bridgeport, but he nevertheless emerged with an MBA. Both men graduate to the high-flying sector of Wall Street analysts. On returning to New York from overseas, both men get singled out and questioned by Immigration officials. Both men sour on America, and grow beards. Previously “moderate,” they are now “radicalized.”

The difference is that Faisal tries to blow up midtown Manhattan while Changez becomes the amused, detached narrator of a critically acclaimed novel genially mocking America’s parochialism and paranoia. Mohsin Hamed’s book was hailed as “elegant” (the Observer), “charming” (the Village Voice), “playful” (the Financial Times), “rich in irony” (the Sydney Morning Herald), and “finely tuned to the ironies of mutual — but especially American – prejudice” (the Guardian). If only life were like an elegantly playful novel rich in irony. Instead, the real-life counterpart to the elegant charmer holes up in a jihadist training camp for months, flies back “home,” and parks a fully loaded SUV in Times Square.

He’s not an exception, he’s the rule. The Pantybomber is a wealthy Nigerian who lived in a London flat worth £2 million. Kafeel Ahmed, who died driving a flaming SUV into the concourse of Glasgow Airport, was president of the Islamic Society of Queen’s University, Belfast. Omar Sheikh, the man who beheaded Daniel Pearl, was a graduate of the London School of Economics. Mohammed Atta was a Hamburg University engineering student. Osama bin Laden went to summer school at Oxford. Educated men. Westernized men. Men who could be pulling down big six-figure salaries anywhere on the planet — were it not that their Islamic identity trumps everything else: elite education, high-paying job, Western passport.

As for the idea that America has become fanatically “Islamophobic” since 9/11, au contraire: Were America even mildly “Islamophobic,” it would have curtailed Muslim immigration, or at least subjected immigrants from Pakistan, Yemen, and a handful of other hotbeds to an additional level of screening. Instead, Muslim immigration to the West has accelerated in the last nine years, and, as the case of Faisal Shahzad demonstrates, being investigated by terrorism task forces is no obstacle to breezing through your U.S. citizenship application. An “Islamophobic” America might have pondered whether the more extreme elements of self-segregation were compatible with participation in a pluralist society: Instead, President Obama makes fawning speeches boasting that he supports the rights of women to be “covered” — rather than the rights of the ever lengthening numbers of European and North American Muslim women beaten, brutalized, and murdered for not wanting to be covered. America is so un-Islamophobic that at Ground Zero they’re building a 13-story mosque — on the site of an old Burlington Coat Factory damaged by airplane debris that Tuesday morning.

So, in the ruins of a building reduced to rubble in the name of Islam, a temple to Islam will arise.

And, whenever the marshmallow illusions are momentarily discombobulated, the entire political-media class rushes forward to tell us that the thwarted killer was a “lone wolf,” an “isolated extremist.” According to Mayor Bloomberg a day or two before Shahzad’s arrest, the most likely culprit was “someone who doesn’t like the health-care bill” (that would be me, if your SWAT team’s at a loose end this weekend). Even after Shahzad’s arrest, the Associated Press, CNN, and the Washington Post attached huge significance to the problems the young jihadist had had keeping up his mortgage payments. Just as, after Major Hasan, the “experts” effortlessly redefined “post-traumatic stress disorder” to apply to a psychiatrist who’d never been anywhere near a war zone, so now the housing market is the root cause of terrorism: Subprime terrorism is a far greater threat to America than anything to do with certain words beginning with I- and ending in -slam.

Incidentally, one way of falling behind with your house payments is to take half a year off to go to Pakistan and train in a terrorist camp. Perhaps Congress could pass some sort of jihadist housing credit?

Given the demographic advance of Islam in Europe and the de jure advance of sharia in Europe (the Geert Wilders blasphemy trial) and de facto in America (Comedy Central’s and Yale University Press’s submission to Islamic proscriptions on representations of Mohammed), you wonder why excitable types like Faisal Shahzad are so eager to jump the gun. The Islamization of the West proceeds apace; why draw attention to it and risk a backlash?

Because the reactions of Bloomberg & Co. are a useful glimpse into the decayed and corroded heart of a civilization. One day the bomb will explode. Dozens dead? Hundreds? Thousands? Would we then restrict immigration from certain parts of the world? Or at least subject them to extra roadblocks on the fast-track to citizenship?

What do you think?

I see, as part of the new, culturally sensitive warmongering, that the NATO commander in Afghanistan is considering giving out awards to soldiers for “courageous restraint.” Maybe we could hand them out at home, too. Hopefully not posthumously.

Mark Steyn, a National Review columnist, is author of America Alone. © 2010 Mark Steyn.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: faisalshahzad; housing; marksteyn; shahzad; steyn; subprimemortgage; terrorist

1 posted on 05/08/2010 9:22:47 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
“Amateurish,” agreed Janet Napolitano, the White House amateurishness czar.

Tagline!

2 posted on 05/08/2010 9:24:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Amateurish," agreed Janet Napolitano, the White House amateurishness czar.)
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To: knews_hound

MS ping, as in morbidly sarcastic!


3 posted on 05/08/2010 9:29:19 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

He’s just another ‘victim’ of the evil capitalist system, yaknow..


4 posted on 05/08/2010 9:29:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: neverdem

Another MS home run.


5 posted on 05/08/2010 9:39:00 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: neverdem

It’s almost too much to read Steyn anymore. His hyper lucidity stings the closer we get to the reality he has warned about for years.


6 posted on 05/08/2010 9:43:00 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: neverdem

“Incidentally, one way of falling behind with your house payments is to take half a year off to go to Pakistan and train in a terrorist camp. Perhaps Congress could pass some sort of jihadist housing credit?”

And to get a mortgage he shouldn’t have qualified for in the first place.


7 posted on 05/08/2010 9:45:46 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: avenir

Eric Holder is probably spending most of his time securing top notch pro bono legal reps for propane boy.


8 posted on 05/08/2010 9:46:57 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Tax-chick
America is so un-Islamophobic that at Ground Zero they’re building a 13-story mosque — on the site of an old Burlington Coat Factory damaged by airplane debris that Tuesday morning.

So, in the ruins of a building reduced to rubble in the name of Islam, a temple to Islam will arise.

This, if true, is particularly disturbing.

9 posted on 05/08/2010 9:47:52 AM PDT by RhoTheta (Wipe out capitalism, no more money. You following me camera guy?)
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To: Tax-chick

LOL!!


10 posted on 05/08/2010 9:48:56 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: All

” Incidentally, one way of falling behind with your house payments is to take half a year off to go to Pakistan and train in a terrorist camp. Perhaps Congress could pass some sort of jihadist housing credit? “

ROTFLMBO 11


11 posted on 05/08/2010 9:49:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: neverdem
Great article!

George W. Bush -- He kept us safe after 9/11/2001. I wonder whether we'll be able to say the same when Obama leaves office. I pray that we can, but I have my doubts.

12 posted on 05/08/2010 9:52:52 AM PDT by ContraryMary (GWB -- He kept us safe after 9/11)
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To: AuntB
And to get a mortgage he shouldn’t have qualified for in the first place.

He probably did qualify. He chose to spend his money on flights to Pakistan instead of paying for his home.

13 posted on 05/08/2010 10:05:32 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: neverdem
Which is LEAST likely (pick one):

1. Abdulhakim Muhammad, Faisal Shahzad, and Nidal Hasan each spent a night in the Lincoln Bedroom … or ….
2. Pres_ _ent Obama will willingly release his birth certificate.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana

“Army Major (Hasan) Played Role in Presidential Transition
(and) served on the Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force”


14 posted on 05/08/2010 10:10:28 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: RhoTheta
So, in the ruins of a building reduced to rubble in the name of Islam, a temple to Islam will arise.
"This, if true, is particularly disturbing."
IT'S TRUE
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NYC Mosque to be built at Ground Zero -- Adding to this, it is odd that they would want to generate so much publicity and draw attention to themselves at this particular moment, when their plans have been known since last year---or, Is that the point?


Islamic mosque built at 9/11 Ground Zero
Posted: December 17, 2009
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Wreckage from plane that hit the twin towers fell on the same building that may serve as an Islamic cultural center.

A new Islamic mosque will open its doors just steps from Ground Zero where Muslim terrorists murdered 2,751 people in the name of Allah on Sept. 11, 2001 – and its leading imam, who conducts sensitivity training sessions for the FBI, has reportedly blamed Christians for starting mass attacks on civilians.

The five-story building at Park Place, just two blocks north of the former World Trade Center site, was the site of a Burlington Coat Factory. But a plane's landing-gear assembly crashed through the roof on the day 19 Muslim terrorists hijacked the airliners and flew them into the Twin Towers in 2001.

Now Muslim worshippers currently occupy the building, and they plan to turn it into a major Islamic cultural center.

"The men and women stand up, raise their hands on either side of their head, murmur 'Allahu akhbar,' bow and kneel again," reports Spiegel Online.

"Only in New York City is this possible," Daisy Khan, executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement, or ASMA, told the magazine. Khan is the wife of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, founder of ASMA.

They have leased the new prayer space as an overflow building for another mosque, Masjid al-Farah, at 245 West Broadway in TriBeCa, where Rauf is the spiritual leader. The building – vacant since that fateful day when time stood still as millions of Americans grieved the loss of loved ones, friends, family members, co-workers and strangers – was purchased in July by real-estate company Soho Properties, a business run by Muslims. Rauf was an investor in that transaction.

Just down the street, the Museum of Jewish Heritage honors victims of the Holocaust, and St. Peter's Church, New York's oldest Catholic house of worship, is located around the corner.

Rauf has announced his plans to turn the building into a complete Islamic cultural center, with a mosque, a museum, "merchandising options," and room for seminars to reconcile religions, "to counteract the backlash against Muslims in general, " Speigel reports. The project may cost as much as $150 million.

Rauf told the New York Times purchasing the building "where a piece of the wreckage fell sends the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11."

"It was almost obvious that something like this had to arise from the ashes of 9/11," Khan told Spiegel. "In some way, this has the hand of the divine written over it. It's almost as if God wanted to be involved."

The move is supported by the city. The mayor's director of the Office of Immigrant Affairs, Fatima Shama, told the Times, "We as New York Muslims have as much of a commitment to rebuilding New York as anybody."

WND reported in 2003 when, at least four times that year, the FBI's New York field office held all-day sensitivity training sessions, not far from Ground Zero, featuring Rauf.

Speaking for about two hours each session, "he gave an overview of Islamic culture and some of the differences between what fundamentalist terrorist groups say are the teachings of the Quran and what he believes, as a student of religion, the Quran actually says," said special agent James Margolin, spokesman for the FBI New York office.

Rauf asserted that the Quran "certainly doesn't counsel terrorism, murder or mayhem," Margolin said. And he said terrorists have misinterpreted the Quranic term "jihad" to mean violent, or armed, struggle against nonbelievers. Rauf claims it means internal struggle.

Rauf was invited to speak in Sydney, Australia, by Premier Bob Carr in 2004. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, he said the U.S. and the West must acknowledge the harm they've done to Muslims before terrorism can end.

He said the West must understand the terrorists' point of view – and he blamed Christians for starting mass attacks on civilians.

"The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians. But it was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets," he said.
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf (center) poses in a photo with attendees at a 2006 Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow conference in Copenhagen, Denmark. On the far left is Sultan Muhammad, communications coordinator for the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Chicago. (photo: CAIR Chicago)

According to the report, Rauf said there would be little progress until the U.S. acknowledged backing dictators and the U.S. president gave an "America Culpa" speech to the Muslim world. On June 4, 2009, President Obama gave a speech to the Muslim world from Cairo, in which he stated:

I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect; and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles – principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings. …

So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.

Rauf praised Obama for "embracing Islam in the peacemaking process" in his speech to the Muslim world. He wrote in the Washington Post:

The historic significance of President Obama's speech to the Muslim world in Cairo cannot be overstated. Never before has an American president spoken to the global Muslim community. His speech marked a major shift in American foreign policy. … In just a few sentences he demolished the phony theory of the 'Clash of Civilizations,' which insists that Islam and the West must always be in conflict.

Instead, he declared the United States is not at war with Islam and outlined a plan for how the conflict can be resolved. … He captured the attention of Muslims because, unlike most politicians, he was willing to critique both his own country and Muslims where they fell short of their ideals.

In an interview with Beliefnet on Islam and America, a reporter asked Rauf, "Some Islamic charities are being investigated for terrorist ties. Have you seen what you consider to be reputable Islamic charities being financially damaged?"

"We believe that a certain portion of every charity has been legitimate," he responded. "To say that you have connections with terrorism is a very gray area. It's like the accusation that Saddam Hussein had links to Osama bin Laden. Well, America had links to Osama bin Laden – does that mean that America is a terrorist country or has ties to terrorism?"

In 2004, Rauf participated in a 30-second advertisement, broadcast on Arabic television, in which he apologized for alleged abuses at Abu Ghraib prison. The Times reported Rauf said he believes "Islamic terrorists do not come from another moral universe – that they arise from oppressive societies that he feels Washington had a hand in creating."

WND



THE CORDOBA INITIATIVE

Cordoba Initiative (CI) aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions.


Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is Chairman of Cordoba Initiative, having founded the organization in 2004.

In 1997, he founded the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), the first Muslim organization committed to bringing American Muslims and non-Muslims together through programs in academia, policy, current affairs, and culture. As Imam of Masjid al-Farah, a mosque located twelve blocks from Ground Zero in New York City, he preaches a message of understanding between people of all creeds. Additionally, Imam Feisal sits on the Board of Trustees of the Islamic Center of New York and serves as an advisor to the Interfaith Center of New York.

Imam Feisal has appeared regularly at the Council on Foreign Relations and the World Economic Forum (Davos). He has been interviewed by and quoted in leading print media, including BBC, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, Frontline, and Foreign Policy.

His publications include the books, Islam: A Search for Meaning, Islam: A Sacred Law (What every Muslim Should Know About the Shariah), and What's Right With Islam: A New Vision for Muslims and the West, which the Christian Science Monitor rated among its five best books of 2004; as well as articles such as “The Ideals We Share” (Newsweek, July 31, 2007) and “The End of Barbarism? The Phenomenon of Torture and the Search for the Common Good” (with Rev. Dr. William Schulz in Pursuing the Global Common Good, 2007).

Born in Kuwait and educated in England, Egypt, and Malaysia, Imam Feisal holds a Bachelor of Science in Physics from Columbia University in New York and a Master of Science in Plasma Physics from Stevens Institute of Technology in New Jersey. He speaks English, Arabic and Malay.

Important post by drpix:

"The project is a collaboration between the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative."

To show you how brazen this enemy is and how craven our leaders are, here's the meaning of Cordoba to Muslims today:

Brief Europe: Muslims stopped from praying in mosque

Two Muslim tourists were arrested when they tried to pray inside Córdoba’s famous former mosque in Spain, breaking a ban imposed by the Roman Catholic Church. Half a dozen Austrian Muslims knelt to pray at the same time in the vast marble building, which was converted to a cathedral in the 13th century after Muslims were driven from Spain.

The two men who were detained were part of a group of 118 Austrian Muslims on an organised tour for young European Muslims. All bought tourist tickets for a tour of the cathedral on Wednesday. The six who started to pray faced charges of disturbing public order when they appeared before a judge in Córdoba. The Great Mosque of Córdoba was converted into a Christian church in 1236 after King Ferdinand III of Castile recaptured the city from the Muslims. The building later became the modern-day Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption

muslimnews.co.uk

What the Muslim report does not say is that the site was a Christian Monastery before the Islamic invaders built their Mosque - even using columns from that Christian structure. Nor does the Muslim report tell you is that that Church was the scene of recent similar Muslim outrages. What the report does tell you is that even Muslim "tourists" are agents of their Global Jihad.

Muslim colonists make claims to Christian lands in the name of Allah and tell the Dhimmis it's as a "counterbalance to radicalism" and feckless Western leaders will not confront them.

Would "The Greatest Generation" have allowed Japanese to build a Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbor during WWII? How can Americans today allow a mosque at "Ground Zero?"


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Interview with Feisal Abdul Rauf

It's interesting that you call America a sharia-compliant state.

It really means there's a religious commandment to build the right society, to have a sense of social justice and a social safety net, to have laws that take care of human beings, that aren't prejudiced against people.

15 posted on 05/08/2010 10:13:34 AM PDT by thouworm
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To: RhoTheta

“This, if true, is particularly disturbing.”

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9FHJS9G0&show_article=1

Mosque going up in NYC building damaged on 9/11
May 6 06:09 PM US/Eastern
By CRISTIAN SALAZAR
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) - In a 13-story building, damaged by debris from the Sept. 11 airliners that brought down the World Trade Center and soon to become a mosque, some see the bridging of a cultural divide and an opportunity to serve a burgeoning, peaceful religious population. Others see a painful reminder of the religious extremism that killed their loved ones.

Two Muslim organizations have partnered to open the mosque and cultural center in lower Manhattan, saying the $100 million project will create a venue for mainstream Islam and a counterbalance to radicalism. It earned a key endorsement this week from influential community leaders.

But some 9/11 victims’ families said they were angered that it would be built so close to where their relatives died.

“I don’t like it,” said Evelyn Pettigano, who lost a sister in the attacks, during a phone interview on Thursday. “I’m not prejudiced. ... It’s too close to the area where our family members were murdered.”

But the growing number of congregants at the only other nearby mosque, open only one day a week, created a need for an additional space for Muslim prayer in the neighborhood, said Daisy Khan, the executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement and a board member of the Cordoba Initiative, the two organizations sponsoring the project.

The history associated with the building, a former Burlington Coat Factory store that closed after being damaged on 9/11, was a reason to pick it for the project, she said.

“We want to create a platform by which the voices of the mainstream and silent majority of Muslims will be amplified. A center of this scale and magnitude will do that,” Khan said. “We feel it’s an obligation as Muslims and Americans to be part of the rebuilding of downtown Manhattan.”

[etc.]


16 posted on 05/08/2010 10:15:39 AM PDT by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: RhoTheta

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/07/new.york.ground.zero.mosque/index.html

http://nomosquesatgroundzero.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/update-5-06-10plans-for-ground-zero-mosque-move-ahead/


17 posted on 05/08/2010 10:16:03 AM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: avenir

Lately, I live to read his postings. He certainly cuts these twits to the bone, while giving me pause to chuckle at the absurdity of modern life in the good ol’ USA.

“Czar of Amateurishness” Priceless!


18 posted on 05/08/2010 10:22:35 AM PDT by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: thouworm
And he said terrorists have misinterpreted the Quranic term "jihad" to mean violent, or armed, struggle against nonbelievers. Rauf claims it means internal struggle.

That is just an attempt to soften jihad, religating it to the realm of the personal struggle with sin. While the Koran does allow for this view of Jihad that is not all the Koran has to say about it. Muslims hope and expect that all nations will eventually submit to Allah and becime Muslim nations. Jihad is intended to be in force until Islam is a global reality. And it is inaccurate and misleading to mute the historical primacy of wars in the name of jihad.

he said the U.S. and the West must acknowledge the harm they've done to Muslims before terrorism can end.

He said the West must understand the terrorists' point of view – and he blamed Christians for starting mass attacks on civilians.

Islamic countries are among the most vociferous persecutors of Christians, presenting probably the greatest missionary challenge to the church and exhibiting the most prominent external threat to the biblical values of freedom, justice, and order.

19 posted on 05/08/2010 10:49:21 AM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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To: thouworm

“”draw attention to themselves at this particular moment, when their plans have been known since last year-—or, Is that the point?””

I think that IS the point. What greater achievement than pointing out to the American people that our government agencies can be manipulated and be made to give into them? Merely show that something is offensive to them gets them what they want. What is offensive to us doesn’t see the light of day. Their nose got in the tent a long time ago and now they can plan and rest comfortably while they carry out their destructive plans for us WITH the help of our politically correct government agencies and with lots of help from the ignorant in this country.

Those of us on the “right wing” could see where political correctness would lead us a long time ago.

Remember John Galt’s words: “I know you’ve always known what it was that you wanted. But your game is up, because now we know it too!”

Did “they” (all of the they’s) figure on us not seeing through them?


20 posted on 05/08/2010 11:06:09 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Diogenesis

Please tell me the last pic was photoshopped !


21 posted on 05/08/2010 11:31:27 AM PDT by EDINVA (Ihttp://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2503873%2C89#help)
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To: avenir

I’m pessimistic about man, but I’m optimistic about GOD!

Me too. Man’s track record generates pure. unadulterated pessimism but God’s leaves us with admiration!


22 posted on 05/08/2010 11:49:59 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: mjp; Thank You Rush
That is just an attempt to soften jihad

--- a common ploy of "moderate" Islamists. If they were truly serious, wouldn't they be turning in the "fanatic" Muslims? As prominent Muslims, wouldn't they bring pressure on the entire Muslim community to out the violence-oriented jihadists among them, instead of making tepid remarks of disavowal about the jihadists "misinterpreted" Islamic philosophy?

There is a multitude of prominent Muslims publicly professing a "moderate" Islam, when in fact their own statements and actions betray their public posture of Islamic "moderateness."

Like Rauf, they go unchallenged by the MSM, are invited into the BHO regime, the halls of Congress, and our universities. Moreover, they are championed by the globalists who imagine them a part of the "new religion."

Here are profiles of just two in the news recently. Some of them, like Fethullah Gulen [called by Paul Williams the "World’s ‘Most Dangerous Islamist’], have become brand franchises. NOTE the difference in Williams' profile and mine below to see what we are up against. He pulls the curtain away. I show his public image and reach:


The verbal assault on Islam (unbelievable!)

INTERESTING TIMING! (Did somebody have that in the hopper--- waiting for an opportune moment? [immediately after Shahzad's NYC bombing attempt])

Re: MUQTEDAR KHAN

Coddling Islamists By: Winfield Myers
FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, February 20, 2008

The U.S. Department of State has awarded a grant worth $494,368 to University of Delaware political scientist, Brookings Institution fellow, and Pentagon consultant Muqtedar Khan, who last fall objected to serving on a panel with a veteran of the Israeli Defense Forces. According to a UD press release, the grant is to be used, “to initiate a dialogue on religion and politics between key members of religious and community organizations in the Middle East and the United States.”

The press release continued:

Under the grant, participants from Egypt and Saudi Arabia will be on campus this summer for a brief period before traveling to other locations, including New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. Later a group of American scholars will travel to Egypt and Saudi Arabia to take part in similar activities in those countries. A documentary film is planned of the visit to the U.S.

The choice of Khan to oversee a program dedicated to expanding dialogue between religious communities is beyond parody, as Khan himself has a record of thwarting dialogue, at least with Israeli veterans. Moreover, his award is part of a larger pattern of coddling Islamists within the bureaucracies of the State Department and Pentagon.

Last October 23, Khan objected to the presence of IDF veteran and Campus Watch associate fellow Asaf Romirowsky on an academic panel at UD. Organized by students to discuss “Anti-Americanism in the Middle East,” the panel was set to go when Khan—writing from Washington, DC, where he had delivered a workshop at the Pentagon—sent the following email to undergraduate Lara Rausch, one of the key organizers of the event:

Laura, I have to speak at the Pentagon tomorrow. My workshop is from 12-4. I hope to catch the 5 pm Acela from DC and will be back in town by 7 pm. I will come directly, but may be late. I am also not sure how I feel about being on the same panel with an Israeli soldier who was stationed in West Bank. Some people see IDF as an occupying force in the West Bank. I am not sure that I will be comfortable occupying the same space with him. It is not fair to spring this surprise on me at the last moment.

Romirowsky, contacted via email, was asked what he thought of the State Department’s action of singling out Khan for a substantial award to encourage dialogue, was taken aback.

“I seriously question the type of dialogue this will promote given the fact that he wouldn't share space with me on an academic panel,” Romirowsky replied.

“Dialogue is good if you have something to dialogue about—starting with accepting the others’ right to exist,” he continued. “Yet, by not sitting on a panel with me due to my IDF service, he basically questioned Israel’s right to exist within safe and secure borders.”

“That itself should throw into question the integrity of any dialogue he might initiate.”

In the two months following the story’s October debut, Khan offered no fewer than three additional explanations for why he acted as he did. I documented these in December, and concluded that the reasons he gave in the October 23 email above rang truest: IDF vets are off-limits on panels in which he participates. The other excuses were little more than a smokescreen, set off in a vain attempt to reduce the embarrassment his intolerance had brought to himself and the University.

Khan’s large grant from the State Department, coupled with his role as a Pentagon advisor, further exposes a troubling trend within those federal departments of coddling Islamists and turning a blind eye toward intolerance. Hesham Islam, special assistant for international affairs in the office of Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England, has made news lately for allegedly calling Joint Chief analyst on counterterrorism Major Stephen Coughlin, who also reported to England, a “Christian zealot with a pen” and pressing for his removal.

Coughlin is widely celebrated as one of a small number of Pentagon analysts who are consistently tough on Islamism—a stance that has made enemies within the Defense bureaucracy. His thesis from the National Defense Intelligence College, titled “‘To Our Great Detriment’: Ignoring What Extremists Say about Jihad,” is celebrated by terrorism experts as a clear-sighted warning that too few in Washington care to heed.

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I recently posted a lengthy post on Stephen Couglin, his firing, and his courageous analysis here on the Threat Matrix thread. Below is a short excerpt from that post:

Former Defense Department analyst Stephen Coughlin was exceedingly informative, and his point that official American self-censorship regarding Islam and jihad has given the enemy a "decisive victory in the information battlespace" was truly chilling.

Coughlin, whose perceptions got him crosswise with Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England’s Muslim sidekick Hesham Islam and later excluded from the DoD, insisted that those entrusted with protecting Americans from Islamic terrorism have a “professional duty to know” about the roots of said terrorism’s doctrine in Islamic scripture and tradition.

After all, he pointed out, the murderous rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, by Muslim U.S. Army Major Nidal Hasan had a “doctrinal driver,” as evinced by Hasan’s own presentation to his Army medical colleagues calling for Muslim service personnel to be accorded conscientious objector status lest “adverse events” occur.

The enemy, Coughlin observed, has stated his doctrine. Can we, he enquired, be politically correct and threat-focused at the same time? No way – because, he concluded, “You cannot defeat an enemy you will not define.” Coughlin's thesis on jihad doctrine may be accessed here. It is lengthy but gripping, and is a must-read.

Greenspiece Blogspot


Stephen Couglin:
"The enemy has stated his doctrine. Can we, be politically correct and threat-focused at the same time?" No... because, “You cannot defeat an enemy you will not define.”
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Exclusive: World’s ‘Most Dangerous Islamist’ Alive, Well, and Living in Pennsylvania

You got it all wrong! /sarc
Fethullah Gulen is one of the protected class---a brand franchise promoting peace, understanding, respect, and tolerance


Fethullah Gulen’s discourse cherishes and his life exemplifies values like empathic acceptance, altruistic service of one’s community and humanity in general, complementary roles of the intellect and the heart, sincerity, holistic view of the human, deepening faith and love of the creation.

He is noted for his pro-democracy, pro-science, pro-dialogue and non-violence stances in critical junctures of the history of his society. In July 2008, Fethullah Gulen was listed among the top hundred public intellectuals in the world by Foreign Policy magazine .

Fethullah Gulen.org

Fethullah Gulen Movement.net

Fethullah Gulen's Website

Qualifications

Extensive knowledge and teaching experience in Islamic scholarship. Proficient author with more than sixty books translated into many world languages. Recognized as the world's top public intellectual in Foreign Policy / Prospect poll in 2008. Years of service as an imam, preacher, and civil society activist with acclaimed competence as a speaker on Islam, education, and dialogue in Turkey.

Education

Classical education in Islamic scholarship at various divinity schools (Kurşunlu, Kemhan, Taşmescid) under a number of Turkey's renowned Sufi scholars and masters, such as Ramiz Gülen, Muhammed Lütfi, Haci Sıtkı, Sadi Efendi, and Osman Bektaş (1951–1956)

Compulsory elementary education (1946–1949)

Home schooling along with memorization of the whole Qur'an and mastering recitation skills (before 1946)

Employment

Imam / Preacher

* Voluntary Imam / Preacher, Erzurum, Amasya, Tokat, Sivas (1955–1958)
* Deputy Imam, Üçşerefeli Mosque, Edirne (1959–1961)
* Imam / Lecturer, Iskenderun, while serving compulsory military service (1961–1963)
* Member of the Public Hall, Erzurum (1963). Convened conferences and lectured on Rumi
* Qur'an Teacher / Imam, Dar'ul Hadis Mosque, Edirne (1964)
* Senior Preacher (Merkez Vaizi), Kırklareli (1965)
* Senior Preacher, Izmir (1966–1971)
* Director / Teacher, Kestanepazarı Boarding Qur'anic School (1966–1971)
* Senior Preacher, Edremit (1972–1974)
* Senior Preacher, Manisa (1974–1976)
* Senior Preacher, Izmir, Bornova (1976–1980)
* Voluntary Preacher, Istanbul, Izmir, and throughout Turkey (post-retirement service) (1986–1989)

Speaker

* Delivered a series of talks in Turkey and Europe (1975–1977)
* Talks on social, cultural, and religious matters recorded and broadcast every week on www.herkul.org (2003– present)

Honorary President / Civil Society Leader

* Founder member of the Journalists and Writers Foundation (1994)
* Participated in interfaith gatherings and promoted dialogue through a number of events organized by this foundation. (1994–1998)
* Honorary president of Rumi Forum, Washington D.C. (1999–present)



THE GULEN INSTITUTE


The Gülen Institute was established in October 2007 as a non-profit organization and a joint initiative of the University of Houston Graduate College of Social Work and the Institute of Interfaith Dialog.

The perspectives of the institute are inspired by the life and works of the distinguished contemporary scholar and civic leader Fethullah Gülen. Visit Fethullah Gulen Forum for updates on Mr. Gulen and Gulen Movement.

Dialog of Civilizations Platform on January 23, 2010

Luncheon Forum: Dr. Robert Pape

"Occupation, violence and religion: A look at dynamics of conflicts in the light of Afghanistan troop surge"

Gulen Institute welcomes Dr. Robert A. Pape, a distinguished political science professor, from the University of Chicago at a luncheon forum.

This luncheon will take place during the Dialog of Civilizations Platform on January 23, 2010. After Dr. Pape's speech, there will be a session where high school students participate as panelists. Their topic is 'Improving Family Relations".


OPENING REMARKS: Harris County Judge Ed Emmett
SESSION: Social Conflicts and Peaceful Coexistence


SESSION: Substance Abuse and Youth


HIGH SCHOOLS SESSION: Improving Family Relations


SESSION: Public Role of Women around the World


SESSION: Poverty and Social Justice

Hon. Kofi Annan at the Gülen Institute
April 12, 2010

Secretary-General of the United Nations, 1997-2006
Nobel Peace Prize Recipient

Speech Topic: The Global Compact: Challenging Business to Become Leading Actors in Sustainable Development

Gülen Institute's Youtube Channel



Fethullah Gulen Conference.org

International Conferences on Islam in the Contemporary World: The Fethullah Gülen Movement in Thought and Practice

Fethullah Gülen is a Turkish Muslim scholar, thinker, author, poet, opinion leader, educational activist, and preacher emeritus. He is regarded as the initiator and inspirer of the worldwide social movement of human values known as the Hizmet (Service) Movement or the Gülen Movement.>

2005 Islam in the Contemporary World: The Fethullah Gülen Movement in Thought and Practice
November 12-13, 2005, Rice University, Houston, TX, U.S.A.

2006 The Second International Conference on Islam in the Contemporary World: The Fethullah Gülen Movement in Thought and Practice
March 4-5, 2006, Southern Methodist University, Dallas,

2006 The Second Annual Conference on Islam in the Contemporary World: The Fethullah Gülen Movement in Thought and Practice
November 4-5, 2006, University of Oklahoma, Norman, Oklahoma, U.S.A.

2007 The Third Annual Conference on Islam in the Contemporary World: The Fethullah Gülen Movement in Thought and Practice
November 3, 2007, University of Texas at San Antonio, San Antonio,

2009 The Fifth International Conference on Islam in the Contemporary World: The Gülen Movement in Thought and Practice
March 6-7, 2009, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, U.S.A.

NOTE: There is no information on the Fourth International Conference on the website



Fethullah Gulen Forum is an online discussion board of issues related to Fethullah Gülen. By creating active discussions, FG Forum aims to offer in depth analysis on Fethullah Gülen and the Gülen Movement.

Recent Articles

* Defamation of Gulen as a Smoke Screen Abdullah Ademoglu. April 5, 2010

* Responses to Soner Cagaptay Fethullah Gulen Forum. March 13, 2010

* Fethullah Gülen: Spiritual Leader in a Global Islamic Context Salih Yucel, PhD- Journal of Religion and Society. February 4, 2010

* Fethullah Gülen and Al-Ghazzali on Tolerance J. B. Schlubach, Ph.D.. January 7, 2010

* Fethullah Gulen's Thoughts on State, Democracy, Politics, Terrorism and ... Zeki Saritoprak, PhD.

* “Fethullah Gülen's Grand Ambition”: A Biased, Selective, Misleading, Misrepresentative and Miscalculated Article Dogan Koc. January 29, 2010


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SEE ALSO:

20 MINUTES FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, THE MOSQUE "DAR AL-HIJRAH’S JIHADIST CREDENTIALS ARE IMPECCABLE"

Jihad: The Political Third Rail: What They Are Not Telling You---Guest Speaker Steve Coughlin

Eavesdropping on a Sunni Muslim Scholar Upon the Passing of One of Islam's National Leaders (see Post #421 for obit)

23 posted on 05/08/2010 12:28:49 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: neverdem; potlatch; ntnychik; BOBTHENAILER; MeekOneGOP; FARS

24 posted on 05/08/2010 12:47:56 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: neverdem

BTTT


25 posted on 05/08/2010 1:06:13 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: PhilDragoo
How I wish the ‘chickens comin home to roost’ would only affect those who deserve it! Those who love, support and nurture the ‘obamantion’.
26 posted on 05/08/2010 2:11:06 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: potlatch

‘obamantion’ = Obamanation


27 posted on 05/08/2010 3:31:18 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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Comment #28 Removed by Moderator

I did ask for my prior post to be removed. The idea of “propane boy” struck me odd, but, based on the posts here that I now read, it’s not good form. Apologies to the forum.


29 posted on 05/08/2010 4:02:00 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: RhoTheta; thouworm

“This, if true, is particularly disturbing.”

It definitely is...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/05/100_million_mosque_slated_for.html

For being such pathetic weenies we deserve whatever is coming!


30 posted on 05/08/2010 11:07:27 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: RhoTheta; neverdem

“This, if true, is particularly disturbing.”

And how about this:

“I see, as part of the new, culturally sensitive warmongering, that the NATO commander in Afghanistan is considering giving out awards to soldiers for “courageous restraint.” Maybe we could hand them out at home, too. Hopefully not posthumously.”


31 posted on 05/08/2010 11:11:42 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: RhoTheta
This, if true, is particularly disturbing.

It's true.

32 posted on 05/08/2010 11:38:23 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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