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Golf fan Tasered, arrested at Players Championship
The Dailiy Caller ^ | 05/08/10 | Staff

Posted on 05/08/2010 10:34:39 AM PDT by OldDeckHand

PONTE VEDRA BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A 36-year-old man attending the second round of The Players Championship was subdued by a Taser on Friday.

Travis Parmelee, of Jacksonville, was charged with disorderly intoxication and resisting arrest without violence, said St. Johns County Sheriff’s Office Capt. Dave Messenger.

Messenger said course marshals notified officers that Parmelee was yelling at players and being belligerent near the 11th hole. Officers responded and attempted to calm Parmelee down, but they said he became more combative.

They tried to take Parmelee into custody, but he resisted and was Tasered once.

“He was at the point where it was time for law enforcement to step in,” Messenger said. “Our goal is to escort people off the property, but it was clear he wasn’t going to go with us.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: arrest; golf; pga; police; taser
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Is the purpose of the Taser to disable people who are verbally combative? The Taser is suppose to be a less-than-lethal alternative application of force. Could anyone argue that the next level of force to remove a drunk fan and unarmed fan would be to shoot him?

The Taser might have it's useful purposes, but it's liberal use is troubling, IMHO.

1 posted on 05/08/2010 10:34:40 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Couldn’t just club him, slice or give him the birdie?


2 posted on 05/08/2010 10:36:20 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

This is news?


3 posted on 05/08/2010 10:38:42 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: OldDeckHand

others came out here to drink,”

That’s one heck of a cover charge to pay to drink.


4 posted on 05/08/2010 10:40:42 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Paperdoll

The AP certainly thought so, as did the Daily Caller, ESPN, MSNBC and a variety of other outlets.


5 posted on 05/08/2010 10:41:22 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Paperdoll
This is news?

Some people perceive there to be a lowering threshold for when tasers are used and are concerned by this trend.

6 posted on 05/08/2010 10:41:34 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: DManA

The courses sell tons of beer and what do they expect? Mickelson is on a tear today. He was down in 41 place at the start of today and has shot a -7 under par after 16 holes and he is 2 strokes behind the leader.


7 posted on 05/08/2010 10:42:57 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators & Estefan-Rubio)
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To: rogue yam

Some people perceive there to be a lowering threshold for when tasers are used and are concerned by this trend.

when it’s used on unruly school kids, can kindergardeners be far behind.. ?


8 posted on 05/08/2010 10:45:00 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: OldDeckHand

if he resisted arrest I say taser the guy.. why should a cop take a chance of getting belted in the mouth by a drunken dumbass?


9 posted on 05/08/2010 10:45:05 AM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: Frantzie

Glad to see Phil on a roll.

Best wishes to his family too.


10 posted on 05/08/2010 10:46:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Yes, in the good old days, 2 or 3 applications of nightstick would have gotten the job done. Of course, pre-taser, cops were more likely to be roughed up in the course of subduing obnoxious drunks. As a taxpayer, I’d just as soon not have to foot the bill for worker’s comp claims.


11 posted on 05/08/2010 10:47:29 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: OldDeckHand

“The Taser might have it’s useful purposes, but it’s liberal use is troubling, IMHO.”

I don’t know, it says he was carrying on for quite a while...getting sucker punched by a drunk shouldn’t be part of anyones job description, either...I’ve caught a few in certain situations from drunks and it sucks. I think I would be pretty careful with someone drunk and disorderly - especially on a GOLF COURSE for cripes sake...probably not a casual drinker. And I’m betting this isn’t his first times. Just a guess. I always thought that Tasers are God’s way of telling you to STFU...and get sober.


12 posted on 05/08/2010 10:47:46 AM PDT by jessduntno ("My only apology is that it should have been larger." - David Obey, on his "stimulous package.")
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To: OldDeckHand

some people just need taserin’. I’m pro taser. To me it seems simple. Don’t be a jerk in public, don’t break laws, and chances are you won’t get tased.


13 posted on 05/08/2010 10:50:37 AM PDT by isom35
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To: OldDeckHand

That is only one purpose of a taser, the other purpose is to safely take someone is resisting arrest into custody without physical contact required to subdue the person.

Physical contact is dangerous for the person being arrested and the officers.

This should be an obvious. This is the reason that tasers are so popular today in comparison to less than lethal only weapons such as bean bag rounds, mace, tear gas, etc..

Taser pain is between a bee sting and a wasp sting. Your imagination that this pain is like a cattle prod is just wrong. You should volunteer to get tased at least twice so you separate what you imagine vs reality.


14 posted on 05/08/2010 10:51:57 AM PDT by dila813
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To: NormsRevenge
when it’s used on unruly school kids, can kindergardeners be far behind.. ?

Oh, I'm in favor of all that. I just don't want them used on us older folks.

15 posted on 05/08/2010 10:52:09 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: jessduntno

I would rather be tased then beaten up by the cops.


16 posted on 05/08/2010 10:53:25 AM PDT by dila813
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To: rogue yam

“Oh, I’m in favor of all that. I just don’t want them used on us older folks.”

Yeah, I’m a NIMBE...not in my back end...


17 posted on 05/08/2010 10:54:32 AM PDT by jessduntno ("My only apology is that it should have been larger." - David Obey, on his "stimulous package.")
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To: OldDeckHand

He should have kept his drunk mouth shut.


18 posted on 05/08/2010 10:56:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: OldDeckHand
The Taser might have it's useful purposes, but it's liberal use is troubling, IMHO.

I heard, on either Fox or ABC news, one day that police are using tasers like cattle prods to herd people for crowd control.

19 posted on 05/08/2010 10:56:37 AM PDT by 1raider1
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To: OldDeckHand
"Officers responded and attempted to calm Parmelee down, but they said he became more combative."

That doesn't sound like liberal use of a taser to me.

20 posted on 05/08/2010 10:56:38 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (It Matters Not What You Fight But What You Fight For.)
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To: OldDeckHand

“Don’t tase me bro!”:{


21 posted on 05/08/2010 10:56:46 AM PDT by ColdOne
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To: jessduntno
but it’s liberal use is troubling,

My smart ass response is that liberals would rather police use tasers instead of pistols. Peronally, I think we should use them on liberals, not use them liberally. (smile)

22 posted on 05/08/2010 10:57:57 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: OldDeckHand

Drunken taunting of authority should result in PAIN.


23 posted on 05/08/2010 10:58:58 AM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: OldDeckHand
The Taser might have it's useful purposes, but it's liberal use is troubling, IMHO.

I heard, on either Fox or ABC news one day, that police are using tasers like cattle prods to herd people for crowd control.

24 posted on 05/08/2010 11:00:32 AM PDT by 1raider1
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To: OldDeckHand
We once had to taser a guy in his parents apartment simply because he said, "There is no way I'm coming with you. You're gonna have to fight me."

Long story short, ZAP!, and he was in an ambulance 5 minutes later and he was fine. Just dazed. And he gave us zero problems after that.

25 posted on 05/08/2010 11:00:57 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: 1raider1
"I heard, on either Fox or ABC news, one day that police are using tasers like cattle prods to herd people for crowd control. "

Precisely. Some moron on this thread compares it to a "bee sting". I see the bootlickers are out in full force this morning.

26 posted on 05/08/2010 11:02:31 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"That doesn't sound like liberal use of a taser to me. "

He was charged with resisting arrest without violence. How combative does that sound?

27 posted on 05/08/2010 11:03:44 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

That was me, have you got tased?

You are living in fear and your imagination has run away with you.

Go try it out.

It isn’t a cattle prod. Until you go try it out, you imagination has convinced you that it is the same as a cattle prod and it is merely a means of ensuring compliance through pain.

You are wrong.


28 posted on 05/08/2010 11:06:44 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
"Taser pain is between a bee sting and a wasp sting. Your imagination that this pain is like a cattle prod is just wrong. "

If you think getting tased is like a bee sting, you have bigger problems with your imagination than I ever could.

29 posted on 05/08/2010 11:07:57 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Being tasered at a golf match fit this drunk to a “TEE!”


30 posted on 05/08/2010 11:09:30 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: dila813
Taser pain is between a bee sting and a wasp sting.

Maybe so...but I would not be so cavalier, bee stings and wasp stings kill some people, so do tasers.

31 posted on 05/08/2010 11:09:52 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: OldDeckHand

Do you think they would use cattle prods in training our Marines?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFSW44UPgwQ


32 posted on 05/08/2010 11:10:52 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

“I would rather be tased then beaten up by the cops.”

The chances for either are pretty slim for me, these days, so I’m pretty agnostic on the whole thing. D&D in public is long in the past as my thing...although it was fun at times, I hate to admit I got to like streetfighting when I was a kid, it never ended well...for someone...and cops get beaten in some situations like this, too. And shot. And killed. It goes both ways.


33 posted on 05/08/2010 11:11:19 AM PDT by jessduntno ("My only apology is that it should have been larger." - David Obey, on his "stimulous package.")
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To: mlocher

heh heh...agreed.


34 posted on 05/08/2010 11:12:46 AM PDT by jessduntno ("My only apology is that it should have been larger." - David Obey, on his "stimulous package.")
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"It isn’t a cattle prod. "

No sweetheart, it is a cattle-prod. They are devices that operate on the SAME EXACT principle of electric energy. They are both high voltage, low current appliances.

You're entitled to your own idiotic ideas, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

35 posted on 05/08/2010 11:13:09 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Kakaze

Don’t worry, he had something to help numb himself a little before he got tazed.


36 posted on 05/08/2010 11:13:10 AM PDT by dila813
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To: OldDeckHand
Resisted arrest without violence because he was tasered...

"Officers responded and attempted to calm Parmelee down, but they said he became more combative."

Obviously the police used their best judgment when they tasered the belligerent drunk.

37 posted on 05/08/2010 11:13:32 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (It Matters Not What You Fight But What You Fight For.)
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To: OldDeckHand
"Is the purpose of the Taser to disable people who are verbally combative? The Taser is suppose to be a less-than-lethal alternative application of force. Could anyone argue that the next level of force to remove a drunk fan and unarmed fan would be to shoot him? The Taser might have it's useful purposes, but it's liberal use is troubling, IMHO."

First of all there is a huge difference between being shot with the darts and merely being "drive stunned" as in this case. A drive stun to the body is far less painful and causes far less injury then a strike from a baton or being pepper sprayed for that matter. Having experienced them all in training I would rather be tased any day. It would seem from the story that the fan was also physically resisting the officers and that they took appropriate action which is the least amount of force necessary to protect themselves and gain compliance.

38 posted on 05/08/2010 11:13:37 AM PDT by bruoz
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That is a big “if”.

Why so quick to start thinking of excuses for the JBTs?


39 posted on 05/08/2010 11:14:09 AM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: OldDeckHand

I hope that the drunk and the golf course officials managed to “IRON” everything out!”


40 posted on 05/08/2010 11:14:29 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: OldDeckHand

You are wrong, these are on a precise voltage, amperage, and waveform that disables motor control.

The tazer isn’t designed to inflict maximum pain in order to shut someone down. It is designed to disrupt motor control, that is why people fall down and can’t resist.

If it was about pain, it wouldn’t work on drunks.


41 posted on 05/08/2010 11:15:59 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
Don’t worry, he had something to help numb himself a little before he got tazed

It is precisely that kind of remark that shows an attitude not conducive to policing but rather controlling.....there is a difference.

I hope you are not a law enforcement officer.

42 posted on 05/08/2010 11:16:31 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: OldDeckHand

It is absolutely “SHOCKING” what goes on at a golf course in this day and age.


43 posted on 05/08/2010 11:16:35 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

The belligerent drunk was obviously a “LIVE WIRE”.


44 posted on 05/08/2010 11:18:18 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (It Matters Not What You Fight But What You Fight For.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

It is absolutely “SHOCKING” what goes on at a golf course in this day and age.”

Too true.


45 posted on 05/08/2010 11:18:25 AM PDT by jessduntno ("My only apology is that it should have been larger." - David Obey, on his "stimulous package.")
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To: OldDeckHand

Did this drunken fan fall into a “TRAP!”


46 posted on 05/08/2010 11:18:26 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The belligerent drunk was obviously a “LIVE WIRE”.

Yep...just up to the point where he became a conductor...


47 posted on 05/08/2010 11:19:41 AM PDT by jessduntno ("My only apology is that it should have been larger." - David Obey, on his "stimulous package.")
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Being tasered at a golf match fit this drunk to a “TEE!”

And so, the authorities continue to drive a WEDGE between the golfer and the (slightly intoxicated) fan.

48 posted on 05/08/2010 11:22:27 AM PDT by meyer
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To: Kakaze

You volunteer to tackle the guy then and why wrestling with him find he has uncapped needles in his pocket that poked you during the struggle.

You go home and tell your wife you need to get aids tested.

Some of the people on this thread think we are living in the 40s.


49 posted on 05/08/2010 11:25:41 AM PDT by dila813
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Did this drunken fan fall into a “TRAP!”

I don't know, I think tasing him might be a little ROUGH.

50 posted on 05/08/2010 11:26:09 AM PDT by meyer
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