Skip to comments.Maine Activists redefine GOP platform
Posted on 05/09/2010 3:19:03 AM PDT by maine yankee
In a move that seemed to surprise many members of Maine's Republican Party, a group of tea party-style activists redefined the party platform at the convention Saturday
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If you need to give them a call so they might clarify that issue--instead of posting what you have which is not all the story.. I will only say Wall Street came calling..Otten and others did what Wall Street said to do, then the market took a dive/ the crash and Wall Street came back and said you are not worth what you were..(doing a brief synopsis here from Otten, he will explain in detail). Les did not agree with the other "chiefs" that had settled into the running of the business. Les wanted what the shareholders wanted to bring it back (stay whole or divide), it could not be agreed upon so he left mutual agreement--and those left in charge thought they were right and were wrong. He then put his investments elsewhere. The Red Sox, then the energy business of wood pellet furnaces. More jobs.
However who really buys a ski stock? I didn't. An IPO is not a good investment for the most part unless you have stock beforehand. No one that is a serious investor would buy a ski stock that cannot afford a loss.[but then you get to write off a loss]. Stocks going public in those times all shot out of the gate..those were fun times, but not smart times in trading decision..caught up in the euphoria of it all. I even bought some small stock in Alaska, had no history was JUST a new hyped Internet stock- bought on Friday for $2 play and by Tues the next was $22. I was lucky, not smart. Just played the game like everyone else.
Otten himself did not cause the stock to plummet. The company owned mountains all over the country so jobs were made across the country. The ski business is risky. Weather is of course a factor no matter if you have the best technology in snow making. If there is no snow in Boston then people just don't flock to the mountains "in the groove", that is why they take the snow to the city to advertise.
Should they have stayed small? When you get too many chiefs, conflict is bound to arise. I don't have to go and research, I know first hand. Plus that quote I took was also reported in the Lewiston paper which took the other candidate on for lack of facts... a candidate in the single digits. Otten has done so much more than Sunday River. You would be impressed with the family history as well on his father who VERY wealthy stell industrialist was imprisoned by Hitler (would not play ball with Hitler)-his family did escape Nazi Germany-Switzerland ( I believe ) and wound up in upstate NY with very little money. Amazing stories to be told. He knows what it is to be rich, down and rebuild again--he attributes that work ethic to his father.
Give his office a call or ask for Edie Smith. He's approachable. He is not egotistical. Quiet man really. He did try to buy SR back, as you know; but I assumed that would be too big a slap in the face of the ones that decided they knew better than Les. It was his baby--the Internet/telecom debacle effected all stocks. I did enjoy when he thumbed his nose upon leaving and built the restaurant across from the Base Lodge.
Baldacci will soon be gone!! we can agree on that!! We need someone who has contacts all over this country, not just in Maine to bring business to Maine. I am also for Dean Scontras as well. Scontras has a great future, I feel.
Some above is my take on it, so to verify go to the source Les Otten. Think I am pretty on target. Long time ago now it seems... Sorry if fragmented..but there is always more to a story and when you are in the lead those at the bottom are desperate, knowing people believe what they want to believe..dam the truth be told in its entirety. I knew all what you had written and Otten was prepared for it all.
Instead of buying penny stock..it would have been better to buy a lot (one of the best) which we all did..scraped up $6K split 3 ways. House then was $50,000k post and beam sweat equity with some remodel of course over the years. The present owner ( prior partner ) has it selling close to a MIL. Location Location Location. Not bad. The foundation for success was laid by Otten.
We all make our own choices on how we invest for the long haul. Invest in stocks like ski areas, no matter who owns the mountain--the market is too volatile. He deserved to make money as he did. Otten took the biggest risk of all.
I really don’t think that asking Les Otten for his spin is going to get the truth. I just posted one of many articles detailing various elements of the history of American Skiing.
It did well, then it did poorly. He was on the Board until recently. The company ended up selling off most if not all of its properties.
It was a valuable company with many ski resorts, and then it became a company with almost no value. Its investors, who you seem to think of as gamblers, lost their money.
I don’t need to know every last detail of Les Ottens personal history to know that the collapse, or near collapse, of the company he built cannot be seen as a wonderful success story.
Les Otten might be pretty good at building a business. But the failure of American Skiing shows that he’s not very good at running, or managing, a large business. Since running a large organization is exactly what a Governor does, and Otten failed at doing exactly that, I can’t really think of a reason to vote for him. If he was the nominee, I would, but hopefully that doesn’t happen.
Will “American Skiing took on too much debt and then American Skiing had to sell most if not all of its ski resorts. Vote Les Otten, he’ll do the same to Maine.” be the Otten slogan?
Vote Otten - First Crushing Debt - Then Maine For Sale!
No. Otten seems to be a gambler who got lucky until he was not lucky. That is not what we want for a Governor.
We want a responsible manager with experience. Someone with a proven record of cuts. I think that’s LePage, but nothing in Otten’s record indicates that he’s anything like that.
Otten - he’s gonna take the tax receipts, go to Vegas, and put it all on red.
You guys love making this stuff up, it's immature and way past ludicrous. I know is boring to read facts of someone who was there, who knew the market and how it works, remembers intricately the times that contribute to the several crashes we have had. The articles are not factual-but believe what you want to believe--freedom of choice to settle for Oz.
Off subject: A great book by Alex Cross, Reckless, I just finished is spot on the most recent economic fiasco between the real power players of the financial world and government. It is not always as it seems scenario.
Le Page is in single digits, no one around my area knows who he is in recognition-The Coast. A sign here and there
I am sure he is a good man, but not my choice as he is not strong enough to lead a state; however, be a real fact checker and call the campaign headquarters. Journalism 101. Go to the source. The real players not the ones who write about others, as they can't ever do; nor hide their envy with bias.
The Lewiston Sun stood up to the plate on the attack against Les. But then if that is all the underdog candidates can use to try to get past first..is pass on uninformed info, they are no better than the Democrats who use smear to win their seats and have stayed their downward course in Maine for decades--time to get strength in leadership. Maine is a joke in state run government (no matter which party rules), attracting BIG business, LOST JOBS, the school consolidation, DIRIGO and most importantly her highest energy rates cited (mol determining factors) in the nation. The rest of the pack have no plan, like Obama had no plan. Good luck to you, however; and as I said, am sure Le Page is a good guy, just not my choice. ;)
Dean Scontras!!!Les Otten!!!
You must be cutting and pasting this stuff. Who are these “you guys” You and me are the only 2 people here at Free Republic who have any care at all about Les Otten. When people here on Free Republic have any opinion at all about the Republican Primary in Maine, it’s a vague support of Paul LePage.
Listen. American Skiing, run by Otten had a bunch of Ski resorts. Due in part to Otten’s terrible management, American Skiing is a company that had to sell off most of its properties.
Republican voters in Maine who know the candidates know that Otten is a poor manager who would likely be a failure as Governor.
However, he was able to take a lot of $ from American Skiing while American Skiing was going down the tubes. So, I guess, good for him. The shareholders, the owners of American Skiing, lost their money, and Otten, the manager of American Skiing, has money that he took from American Skiing to run for Governor of Maine.
Are you the kind of person to say “look at Obama’s books” to find the truth about Obama.
If you aren’t, why are you pointing to Otten’s website?
There hasn’t been a poll on preferences in the Maine Republican Primary. There was a poll on name recognition. Otten has high name recognition. People may know that he’s a poor manager. That doesn’t mean that people will vote for him.
There’s a lot wrong with Otten on the policy side of things. He’s not a conservative. But there’s no reason to get into that. I think it’s sufficient to say that Otten has nothing on his resume to indicate he should be running for Governor.
No experience. If there was a job in Maine called “build a ski resort, take on a lot of debt and destroy the company” Otten would be qualified for that. But not for Governor.
LePage is the mayor of Waterville. There are more D’s than R’s in Waterville, but he keeps getting elected, and keeps cutting taxes. LePage is also the General Manager of Mardens. He didn’t build Mardens, but Mardens hasn’t had to sell all its stores, so LePage is one up on Otten in that respect.
LePage is a proven tax cutter, a proven competent manager, a proven conservative, proven to get votes from Democrats as well as Republicans.
Otten is a rich guy who can buy TV time. A good builder of ski resorts and a poor manager of ski resort companies.
Le Page gets in, which I seriously doubt, nothing will change. The Repubs in are small time. I have to laugh at the rhythmic commercial re: "land" by the President of Husson U (lol)- Baldacci was small time too. Maine has stayed small time aka behind in the grand scheme of things--just a nice place to take a vacation, eat lobster and watch life pass on by.
Le Page would be taken by Libby-again more name recognition.
He should just stay where he is a general manager in a company in a ongoing depressed area of Maine. But it is commendable that he wants to seek public service. Perhaps he will bring the mills back or turn them into condos/apts. (failed) as in Empire Falls?
Enough said. I only showed the denial on the Otten page, but then everyone is lying as far as you are concerned, so cannot have an intelligent dialog with you.
The Kennebec Journal reporter gives me enjoyment-small time too.
I did not cut and paste but for a link, I do not have to on this subject for background, as you.
I will not be responding to you after this post. Time will tell. Have fun.
Maine Energy Systems, another start up company by Otten.
LePage is the current mayor of Waterville. He battles Democrats and wins, continually cutting taxes. I have no idea why you would say “wants to seek public service” about LePage. He is already Mayor, he is already a public servant, outside of the mess in Augusta.
LePage has won more straw polls around the state than all the other candidates combined. He has the support of the conservative grass roots, tea partiers. LePage is a solid conservative, a true conservative, with a proven track record of solid, responsible, conservative management.
LePage doesn’t have the war chest. Otten was able to pull down $400k a year when American Skiing’s stock was plummeting. Now he can spend that money on TV ads.
I think we could expect grand schemes from an Otten administration. Nothing “small time” from Otten. Maine would likely borrow money on something risky and fail. As Otten floats away to something else, the Maine taxpayers would be left holding the bill.
The Democrats would be worse of course, I think we agree on that.
Maine has been discounted far too long. It's time to bring real business ventures to Maine besides a new Mardens on the block promoting rummage sales to those that can't afford to pay retail..why because Maine has been represented far too long by discounted thinkers—and "so Maine goes".
When many think of Sunday River, and had this discussion with another successful investor within that area the other day, who agreed on another level of success which was more than just financial gain over long term, but great memories made from the families that bought in, vacationed, built small business surrounding the area that have grown immensely— but its what money can't buy—a generation passing on great memories to the next generation to pass on to their children and continue to do so.
Menards mentality is just to feed on the less fortunate to make a buck—no memories there, its just about the money.. —you get what you pay for—cheap is cheap and will remain cheap. Workers are the less educated, single parent--decisions in life got them to where they are.
Maine deserves better than discount warehouses and casino/gambling-all in the market for the unskilled in stagnant & depressed locations.
By the way you do not know Mr Otten as many of us Mainers do for many years, you live off the rhetoric of others--he does not spin, never has and held true to his core beliefs. He's a good leader for Maine.
LePage has a proven track record of fighting with Democrats and getting taxes cut. His focus on welfare seems smart, seeing as we really can't afford the generous welfare packages we provide in Maine, especially since we aren't a particularly rich state.
Otten volunteered in the last debate (not the one today that I noticed) that he'd like to do marketing for the state of Maine, help out the new Governor. Building the Maine brand. That sounds like something Otten might be good at.
Why doesn't Otten just take his money and build another ski resort. Your argument is that Otten built a kickass ski resort and everyone who ever worked there thinks he's just tops. Hey, no doubt. But the skills required for building a ski resort aren't the same for being a governor.
And, you have to remember, American Skiing failed as big as Sunday River succeeded.
The state of Maine is a lot more like American Skiing than Sunday River.
I'm sorry that there are stores for low income people to shop in. It's too bad that those high value stores are there and not ski resorts, which clearly you prefer. LePage wants to cut taxes, so people can keep more of their paychecks and shop at a wider variety of stores.
The real reason why Freepers from out of state should contribute to Lepage http://lepage2010.com is that LePage could challenge Collins in 2014.
Have fun with Mr Discount Man.
Maine cut taxes? When. He must have done such a good job keeping it secret. LOL
Have fun with the campaign and using the word bankrupcy in your Le Page ads. ;)
Enjoy your weekend hitting those flea markets and yard sales.
He's no Brown by a long shot.
American Skiing was a wall street plan--salespeople go searching for clients just like any business--bubble burst and they said oops we were wrong..but then you dont want to know the full story from those in the know past what you google. We successfully invested in the mountain (and what a great investment that turned out to be to this day!) and not some BB ski stock effected by weather--fun stock to own for emotional reasons, not anything anyone put their future into unless they were idiots. It was a ski stock! LOL
The Red Sox (when winners) were put together by a team of forward thinking people like Otten-that was why they were chosen to be part of "the owners". The alternative energy business started, a restaurant on the mountain, the handicap skiing program which he funded/backed and had another wonderful lady take full control over back at the onset-she later went on to have the idea for biggest snowman and woman in the Guinness Book of records to draw attention to the Bethel area-home of the beloved Gould Academy, but then I just am boring you with all facts. Good memories of entrepreneurial people in the Bethel area.
Doesn't hurt to dream, I will give you that. Maine voters will decide--they really don't have a real good track record for the past 30 some years.
Les Otten '10 ! ;)
http://lesotten.com/ottenjobsplan/files/otten_jobs_plan.pdf Otten Job Plan for anyone interested--
LePage has raised more money than Otten has. Otten has spent the most of his own personal money. Abbott has raised the most money, from his Collins connections. LePage has raised the second most, from grass roots / tea party supporters.
Now, of course, Otten doesn’t need to raise money like the other guys do, since he has all that money that American Skiing shareholders lost.
What’s “Menards”? For someone who complains about fact checking, you sure miss some biggies.
I’m not saying that LePage is looking at a challenge to Collins, I’m saying that Freepers, many of whom wonder why Collins and Snowe are Senators, might want to consider placing possible challengers to Collins into offices where they can get the name recognition and power they need to mount an effective challenge. I’m almost certain that Abbott is not challenging Collins in 2014.
Otten is more like Brown. Brown is showing himself more and more as a RINO, and Otten is a RINO as well (although, to be fair, not a DIABLO like Mills). LePage and Beardsley are the only 2 solid conservatives running.
Otten did not have to get himself wrapped up in American Skiing. Yet he did, he was the CEO. He exercised bad judgment. A failed company looks terrible for the CEO. Otten wouldn’t have had that failure on his record if he just kept Sunday River the way it was. Otten made a bold, risky move and it failed and a lot of people lost a lot of money. You seem to think that LePage is lacking in some way because he doesn’t have bold plans involving spending a lot of money. Right. LePage is conservative. I ask only of LePage that he cut taxes and cut spending. I’d like Maine government to be smaller after he’s done, and I think he can do that.
The Red Sox were a baseball team for 100 years before Otten got involved. It’s not all that hard to get someone to buy the Red Sox.
I’m not against successful entrepreneurs like Otten. I recognize that he built Sunday River. But he made some risky moves, which failed. We don’t want a Governor who makes risky moves and fails. LePage isn’t going to be dreaming big. He’s going to be conservative and responsible. And right now, we need conservative and responsible. LePage, responsibly, could listen to the advice of big dreamers and make a decision based on that advice. We need cuts in spending and cuts in taxes and LePage has proven he can do these things.
Key industries in Maine include Fishing and Timber.
LePage cut taxes as Mayor of Waterville. And he’s not keeping that secret.
I’m not paying close attention to what LePage is saying about Otten. But I think that only Poliquin seems to care about Otten’s record. Most people don’t care.
The mailer that Otten sent out about attacks on him was a joke, it really made Otten look whiny. No one knows or cares about attacks on Otten except Otten.
Collins has the lobster, BIW and fishing industry here.
You need skilled labor..in this state. You need the youth to want to remain--and timber and fishing is not going to keep them here.
Otten is well known in all parts of Maine in regard to the skiing industry, energy, building a successful baseball team, contacts in the business world is a strong point, etc...being mayor of Waterville--a real destination-lol. Mills (Waterville) failed in their redevelopment as had to be rentals before ownership-talked with the developers--the demise was imminent. Poor city planning like in Augusta. Lost even the famous Empire Grill over in Skow..no customers in a depressed part of Maine. I ride through--it's dead! Yard sales are the source of income or working at the mini-mart. Mainers deserve more.
LePage even added he never had been bankrupt as others had been..to his ongoing campaign slogan. He has no plan, just like Obama had no plan.
Government is big business in Maine. Too big. But it pays well to work for Big Government, DOT and not government related so they say but Natural Resources as well has the same government perks. The film industry is a failure unless you just want to call it like most arts "starving"..as no perks to draw film making into this state anymore. Once Newman passed away no one came for he had a love of Maine. Not to blame the people in the film dept of Maine as they have no incentives to give, hands are tied. Come to Maine and pay the highest taxes in the country, highest energy rates in the nation..but sure is pretty to visit. Just you don't live here unless you have to! or have money to do so.
Need to rehaul the system on that we can agree.
You really follow baseball???They were put back into the winning category.
The general manage of Sunday river has endorsed Otten for governor and stated if not for Otten it would not be the success it is today..ever even been there to see the building of homes, the prices they are getting and I mean solds!! The golf course other ownership was a struggle but one of the best noted in national golf magazines-the hotels..it all brings a smile to one's face when you start up the mountain. Great achievement. Was and still is a great investment long term and for family memories.
Tourism rules, vacations build memories and people return from the next generation. Tourism where I reside is doing well early..try to find a parking place, but there is energy and where there is energy comes growth/ investment.
Anyone vacationing I would suggest Bar Harbor--was shocked at how that has evolved, nix Camden and Boothbay Harbor same old same old-choose the Pemaquid, Small Pt areas or the reliable southern Maine coast too packed for some but easy to get to from neighboring states because of gas costs!! Weather is key but looks like a good summer for lobsters, haddock chowder, blueberries, strawberries and the occasional whoopie pie (how great a company is the latter rising up one little kitchen trying to make ends meet for family income??)
I think that with LePage we’d get a Chris Christie style government. Cutting taxes, cutting spending, taking on the unions. Nothing particularly exciting.
That’s enough of a plan to me. If LePage’s passion lies with being responsible and being tough, making the right cuts and not worrying what the Dems think and what the newspapers think, I think he’ll be successful.
It seems that D’s often have a vision which is partially implemented and then scrapped when the next administration comes in.
The Ds seem to love this wind power, which seems like epic fail to me. We’re tearing out hydro, which is pretty cheap, and replacing it with wind, which is expensive, unreliable, and tends to make people who live near the windmills ill.
I’d like to see something cool come from this “three ring binder” project. I’d like the tidal power projects out in Washington Couny not be overregulated.
But our primary problem in Maine is government is too big. And LePage’s big thing is a focus on that.
The cost to alternative energy is so expensive-look what it costs to even install tankless hot water heater, solar geothermal..its not like the same projects have not been around for decades they have never been affordable or reliable. I agree with Hydro! I had a friend decade + ago who put in goethermal but then he had the money to do so.
We both love our state. We want people in Maine to be able to afford to live in Maine. I won't use the word Change as it leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth re: Obama.
Will see how it all turns out..I think we have worn each other down to agreeing on something past politics. A New Maine.
I think Le Page best represented the visual image of a leader in Maine. Spoke to the voters not at them... Now we have to get by Libby Mitchell. I don't think the Independents will be strong as the Tea Party has endorsed Le Page. Just runts of the litter waiting to jump on board.
Again congrats. I am not upset over the loss as just wanted the best for Les. Bethel area did stand behind Les, that says something about Les.
But the voters decided--well the Repubs and Democrats did anyways as regostered Independents could only vote on the issues. Great that Le Page did well in The People's Republic of Portand..that was surprising.
Les was classy in his speech. People over at As Maine Goes are talking about including the other candidates as part of Team LePage. All of the Republican candidates had good ideas, areas of expertise that they could bring to the campaign. It was suggested that it would be a good idea to keep all of the Rs in the spotlight so that there when other races are run those candidates won’t have to work as hard to get known and liked.
I feel that LePage will be a good manager, who will make the right cuts. One of the problems i saw with many of the R candidates is that they had ideas, which seemed to cost money, which made me think that those candidates might be more interested in implementing their good, but potentially expensive, ideas instead of focusing on the main issue, which is shrinking government.
I can imagine LePage sitting at his desk, looking for places to make cuts. Tough work, work that is bound to upset some people. But I hope that he also has an ear for good new ideas. He can surround himself with the Rs and listen to their ideas and choose to implement those he likes. It was suggested that even Rosa (D) had valuable ideas to offer.
The race wasn’t particularly nasty and I don’t think that any of the candidates is particularly mad at LePage and I don’t think that LePage is mad at anybody, so we should be able to go forward united.
2010 looks like a bad year for Dems, go if LePage runs a good race, he’s got quite a good shot. I’m a little concerned about Cutler. I don’t know too much about him (what I’ve seen worries me), don’t know whether in Maine typically indie candidates lose, and Cutler is nothing to worry about, or what.
If he just stays with creating an environment friendly to Job Growth, should be ok. Brown's popularity was enhanced by the Howie Carr show Big Time and we know how that turned out.
I noticed Brian Williams last night would only say it was the year of the women in California, couldn't say the word Republican!!