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Federal Reserve opens credit line to Europe
The Tampa Tribune ^ | May 9, 2010 | AP

Posted on 05/09/2010 7:12:29 PM PDT by driftdiver

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To: Travis McGee

So, you like Ron Paul?

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Von Mises’ quote doesn’t mean alot unless you put it in context to what your point is.

Though his theories are generally excellent. He doesn’t have the context of the present day. So, we don’t know how he’d react to our current day situation. I find Hayek’s writings much more practical and less theoretical than Von Mises’.

I think a far worse problem than credit is government debt. Credit is not bad in itself. Reasonable lines of credit are necessary for innovation and business to take great ideas and turn them into business opportunity. Credit is by no means a bad thing.

Debt on the other hand, is something that can hit a tipping point. Government cannot control itself and it is an inherent evil.


41 posted on 05/10/2010 10:35:32 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Palinphobia has, for 20 months, been the one constant among liberals in America.")
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To: rbmillerjr
Though his theories are generally excellent. He doesn’t have the context of the present day.

So, you think "it's different this time?"

Famous last words.

42 posted on 05/10/2010 10:51:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Hmm interesting you ignored everything except that one line.

Of course it’s different. It’s a different time. If this were an experiment, wouldn’t all of the environmental variables be changed?


43 posted on 05/10/2010 11:10:03 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Palinphobia has, for 20 months, been the one constant among liberals in America.")
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To: rbmillerjr; Travis McGee
If this were an experiment, wouldn’t all of the environmental variables be changed?

Exactly which 'variable's have changed? Do you mean the names of the countries involved perhaps? That's not a 'variable' for these purposes.

A true variable in a mathematic sense is only the numbers involved and where they're plugged into the equation. It matters not if the numbers are arabic, Roman, Greek, or cyrillic.

2 + 2 is always four no matter what symbols you use to express the equation.

At any rate, you're picking nits. The point of the article is that the spigot of US Taxpayer funds has now been pushed to the "Full Open" position by the Fed and you, me, our friend Travis, and every taxpaying American are now subsidizing Greek garbage collectors who receive 14 months of pay for 12 months work, get to retire at the age of 50 with a full pension, and have lifetime medical benefits.

How's that feel? If you're butt isn't sore you're not paying attention.

L

44 posted on 05/10/2010 11:16:21 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: rbmillerjr; Lurker
That's all we really need to know.

You really do believe, "It's different this time," the eternal mantra of the Captain "Unsinkable" Smiths of economics.

45 posted on 05/10/2010 11:25:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

“The Gods Of The Copybook Headings” is more appropriate every day.


46 posted on 05/10/2010 11:36:39 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: driftdiver

Too Big To Fail - is this going to be our epitaph?


47 posted on 05/10/2010 11:38:06 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: fahraint

Same place the Federal Reserve gets its other Federal Reserve Notes. From its own statutory ability to create money by establishing credit lines. It’s using it essentially to buy Euros from the ECB to prop up the Euro and Euro-denominated assets.


48 posted on 05/10/2010 11:42:26 AM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: Captain Kirk
This has nothing to do with Bernanke. One of Obama's very first acts as president was to open a $100 million line of credit to the World Bank.

Ron Paul's lack of knowledge on almost any subject is astounding.

49 posted on 05/10/2010 11:48:22 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Lurker

“2 + 2 is always four no matter what symbols you use to express the equation.”

Economic theory is not equations and math. Economists always predict the last 6 out of 2 recessions.

“The point of the article is that the spigot of US Taxpayer funds has now been pushed to the “Full Open” position by the Fed and you, me, our friend Travis”

I totally agree with you on this...Travis started a sidebar with me on a comment to another poster.


50 posted on 05/10/2010 2:15:44 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Palinphobia has, for 20 months, been the one constant among liberals in America.")
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To: Travis McGee

“That’s all we really need to know.
You really do believe, “It’s different this time,” the eternal mantra of the Captain “Unsinkable” Smiths of economics.”

You asked me for my opinion on your Mises quote...I gave it.

This is your response? A strawman and vague references to Smith with nothing concrete.

If you want to make a specific case make it, maybe we’ll agree, maybe we won’t. Mises had alot of opinions and theories...some appear brilliant and some look ignorant in the context of the present day.

**I don’t make the mistake of judging Mises Austrian School theories with present day realities. That is not fair to Mises.


51 posted on 05/10/2010 2:26:13 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Palinphobia has, for 20 months, been the one constant among liberals in America.")
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To: o-n-money; Orange1998
Is this like the housing crisis.....lending money to people who can’t/won’t pay it back.

This isn't an unsecured loan you know. We give them $$$ and they give the Fed the same value in Euros. When they give us the dollars back, they get back the Euros. In the meantime, we earn interest on the Euros.

So what's the problem?

52 posted on 05/10/2010 2:46:35 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Zeddicus
So, we're going to borrow more money from China, and steal more money from ours and our children's future, to give it to a bunch of irresponsible socialists

The Fed doesn't borrow from China. And a swap isn't a gift.

53 posted on 05/10/2010 2:47:48 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: CodeToad
Next time anyone bitches about mortgage loans, let’s remind them that foreign nations got many times more for nothing.

A swap isn't for nothing. Try again?

54 posted on 05/10/2010 2:48:53 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

There you go again.


55 posted on 05/10/2010 2:49:56 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: driftdiver
Harvard / Yale / Ivy League elitists at work again! This crap MUST stop, and it will be stopped...when all our (USA) wealth is GONE !
56 posted on 05/10/2010 2:53:23 PM PDT by timestax (DRUG tests for all politcians, including the US PRESIDENT.)
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To: CodeToad

Too many facts for you?


57 posted on 05/10/2010 2:53:28 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: timestax

bttt


58 posted on 05/10/2010 2:54:09 PM PDT by timestax (DRUG tests for all politcians, including the US PRESIDENT.)
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To: Ryan Ruck

ping


59 posted on 05/10/2010 2:59:08 PM PDT by timestax (DRUG tests for all politcians, including the US PRESIDENT.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

1.30 Euro is the problem. What will the euro be when they pay it back.


60 posted on 05/10/2010 3:37:32 PM PDT by Orange1998
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