Skip to comments.Postal letter carriers paid more than military per Fox News article
Posted on 05/10/2010 10:22:45 AM PDT by Stayfree
An average sergeant in the Army with four years of service and one dependent would receive $52,589 in annual compensation, according to the paper. This figure includes basic pay, housing and subsistence allowances, as well as tax benefits.
Meanwhile, a U.S. Postal letter carrier, with no supervisory or hazardous duty, makes approximately $80,000 a year when all benefits are factored in.
This is SO WRONG!
And they STILL send my mail to the next cul de sac over with the same number.
Ancient Romes armies would refuse to fight if they didn’t get enough pay.
On the other hand where else can a high school graduate be making $53,000 per year at age 21 or 22?
Well, the Postal dudes have to buy their own firearms and ammo.
The USPS spent millions buying sorting machines for periodicals but does not use them. Instead these are processed manually because the union doesn’t want their jobs to go away.
Now wonder they’re losing a billion dollars a qtr!
work for the post office and get a 60% pay hike and not get shot at...makes sense to me
My mail carrier isn’t worth minimum wage! Can’t tell you how many times one of my neighbors in the apartment building has knocked on my door to give me mail of mine that was accidentally put in their box, even though it was addressed correctly...and I frequently get theirs, too. Quite often I’ll order something in the mail and it never arrives, so either I have some neighbors who aren’t giving me my mail, or maybe it was sent to a different address entirely. It happens WAY too much. I’m thinking of filing a complaint, but will the mail carrier retaliate against me then?
The days when people used to recite that famous poem about the mail carriers delivering through rain, sleet, etc., back when they earned respect, seem to be over...at least where I live.
What is a “postal letter”?
Don’t give the Left any ideas...now they’re going to want to unionize the armed forces.
Newman: I called in sick. I don’t work in the rain!
You didn’t know this? All postal employees are overpaid. Everyone I know knows that it’s a great paying job. Gov’t will never think to lower their salaries instead of raising the cost to the consumer and cutting service.
80K For What??? They should make minimum wage!
When was the last time you saw a ribbon saying “Support your Mailman”?
And, on the other, other hand, where can someone making $53K a year, irrespective of age, find themselves in jail for failing to do the job that they were hired to do, or for mouthing off to the boss, or any number of things that people in the civilian world wouldn't even be fired for, let alone imprisoned.
I would point out that the mean salary - at least two years ago - for an E-5 was $26K annually. And, I would guess that most E-5s are not 21-22, but closer to 25-26, and fresh E-5's aren't making $26K annually, they're probably making around $21K annually, or even a a little less.
My son is mid-way through his 3rd year in the Air Force. For two of these years, he's been stationed overseas, where he gets BONUS PAY for being there. He often works 12 hours a day, and has far fewer holidays than the average 1st-year postal worker.
I have his 2009 tax return in my hand. His GROSS pay was $18,309. It made me want to cry when I first saw it.
Our sons and daughters are making huge sacrifices for us and our country while the a**holes in Washington are trying to destroy it.
It’s all pretty simple:
The military overwhelmingly votes Republican
The postal service overwhelmingly votes Democrat
Remember, we’re in Zero’s world now. Stop expecting anything to make sense unless it is political.
This is insane.
Military personnel should be paid more than anyone else, regardless of rank or responsibility.
$80,000 a year for a letter carrier? That is wrong all by itself, without any comparisons. Add in the comparison to military pay, and it’s a travesty.
If you look at the parameters - E5 over 4 with dependant then the base salary is $2414 and housing and subsistence add another $1900 or so. That brings you to about $52,000 without adding hazardous duty pay or separation pay or anything like that, and that doesn’t include factoring in something for medical or retirement which they are for the letter carrier.
Very sad news !
Could be that despotic nations view their military as fodder. Is this another indication how far this country have fallen in the past two years?
Very true! When I was an NCO back in the late 70s/early 80s I was making about $7000 per year.
They are now making nearly what I was making as a Captain!
It seems everyone posting replies to this story is quite upset over the pay level of postal employees. I think it might be important to point out something all of you are missing. These simple minded, poor quality,lazy,shiftless postal workers are for the most part retired military service members. Without prior military service and something called veterans preference it is virtually impossible to be hired by the postal service. So it seems like you are complaining about the same people you are in support of.
Their in a friggin union aren’t they? And the USPS can seem to break even. Wonder why?
Saturday battles are being canceled as a cost cutting measure.
2,000 pounds of bombs intended for Afghanistan were accidentally delivered to Switzerland
The terrorists are training 10,000 poodles and small dogs to repel the infidels.
The Army, in quoting a recent CBO report says...
Active Duty service member received a compensation package worth $99,000. Non-cash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Non-cash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, childcare and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive compensation for Soldiers.
I would also point out that while most E-5s don't have college degrees, it would be inaccurate to portray them as unskilled or as only high-school educated, far from it. In fact, they are very skilled, unlike postal carriers that have extremely limited training, and perform a job that is mundane, repetitive and mostly free of any leadership or independent thinking requirements. And, many NCOs receive well-structured and demanding leadership training, similar to what one might find in college level classes.
Virtually anyone in the Army above E-2 has at least some management responsibility - responsibility that comes with profound consequence in failure. Even if the letter carrier's total compensation is commensurate with the soldiers, their skill-set, responsibility, hazard, working conditions and hours, all fall WELL short of their military counterparts.
You might be interested to know that twice in our country's history, the Marine Corps was actually used to protect mail carriers, or to deliver mail themselves in certain parts of the country during times of civil unrest.
I agree & if they are in combat they should make double.
Do you remember what a mess the military was back in the late 70s, early 80s? It wasn't until Reagan began to funnel money back into the military - including bonuses for enlistment and increased basic pay and allowances - did the talent level begin to reflect what one might hope to find in a professional military.
Carter DESTROYED the military, and it took Reagan his entire presidency to rebuild it. I'm not sure I'd be so keen to wax poetic about the good ol' days of the late 70s.
they are making a back-door argument that the military should unionize....very, very bad!!
Retired? I'm not so sure about that. Like ANY federal civil service job, the post office assigns points to a candidate. Yes, veterans do receive additional points that non-veterans don't. And I think, Vietnam veterans receive additional points, although I'm not positive. And, I'm pretty sure other combat veterans don't receive any additional points, other than what they're eligible for as regular veterans.
In any event, while the Post Office might enjoy a larger percentage of veteran employees than civilian/commercial employers, I'm not sure if veterans make up a majority or even plurality of letter carriers.
Well, there is always Bering Sea Crab fishing...
No where in my post did I "wax poetic." I was making a statement of fact about my pay back then and did not even comment on whether the new pay scales were for the better.
I am glad they are getting enough money to be able to at least live. My brother, an O1E, was eligible for the reduced price lunches for his children at the local schools where he served.
Back in those 70s I was pulling Alerts underground, the water chilling equipment broken in our Titan II launch complex (no money to fix it properly), the Control Center was about 110 degrees and we were carefully watching the tank pressure monitor as the Launch Duct heated up and the liquid fuel and oxidizer pressures climbed.
All the while we would relish the though of going back to base and our barracks in Wichita, where the Carter Administration had ordered all Government buildings, including barracks, to have their air conditioning turned off after 5 PM, so we had to sleep in our rooms in temps over 100 degrees at night.
I never "wax poetic" about such things and my post did not reflect that.
Sorry, that is the way I read it. I apologize for misinterpreting your comments. I thought you were implying that pay is exorbitant today.
re: On the other hand where else can a high school graduate be making $53,000 per year at age 21 or 22?
At the Post Office for one place.
I also did not finish about the tank pressure watching: we were quite concerned about them because the fuel and oxidizer was hypergolic and bolted on top of that Titan II missile was a nine megaton warhead.
As an aside: When I when I earned my Commission my pay as a 2Lt actually lowered about $100 per month from when I was an NCO.
I remember the TM`s in comic book forms..it was
truly a dismal time for being in the Army
Jimmy Carter tried his best to ruin this country and
a true miracle came along and gave us Ronald Reagan to
bring the USA back to life