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Postal letter carriers paid more than military per Fox News article
May 10, 2010 | Stayfree

Posted on 05/10/2010 10:22:45 AM PDT by Stayfree

An average sergeant in the Army with four years of service and one dependent would receive $52,589 in annual compensation, according to the paper. This figure includes basic pay, housing and subsistence allowances, as well as tax benefits.

Meanwhile, a U.S. Postal letter carrier, with no supervisory or hazardous duty, makes approximately $80,000 a year when all benefits are factored in.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chat; cut; defensespending; military; militarypay; missinglink; obama; pay; usps; vanity
Found this information on FoxNews.com which was apparently first reported in Washington Post. Link

THIS TOTALY SUCKS!


1 posted on 05/10/2010 10:22:46 AM PDT by Stayfree
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To: Stayfree

This is SO WRONG!


2 posted on 05/10/2010 10:23:56 AM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: Stayfree

And they STILL send my mail to the next cul de sac over with the same number.


3 posted on 05/10/2010 10:25:01 AM PDT by albie
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To: Stayfree

Ancient Romes armies would refuse to fight if they didn’t get enough pay.


4 posted on 05/10/2010 10:25:03 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Stayfree

On the other hand where else can a high school graduate be making $53,000 per year at age 21 or 22?


5 posted on 05/10/2010 10:25:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Stayfree
On the other hand, the SGT has a much better chance of playing with cool weapon systems and blowing up stuff. I'd take a 30K pay hit for that. Job satisfaction counts for a lot.

/johnny

6 posted on 05/10/2010 10:25:21 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Stayfree

Well, the Postal dudes have to buy their own firearms and ammo.


7 posted on 05/10/2010 10:25:50 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Stayfree

The USPS spent millions buying sorting machines for periodicals but does not use them. Instead these are processed manually because the union doesn’t want their jobs to go away.


8 posted on 05/10/2010 10:25:52 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: Stayfree

Now wonder they’re losing a billion dollars a qtr!


9 posted on 05/10/2010 10:28:06 AM PDT by pgkdan (I Miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

work for the post office and get a 60% pay hike and not get shot at...makes sense to me


10 posted on 05/10/2010 10:28:40 AM PDT by Stayfree (god help u)
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To: Stayfree

My mail carrier isn’t worth minimum wage! Can’t tell you how many times one of my neighbors in the apartment building has knocked on my door to give me mail of mine that was accidentally put in their box, even though it was addressed correctly...and I frequently get theirs, too. Quite often I’ll order something in the mail and it never arrives, so either I have some neighbors who aren’t giving me my mail, or maybe it was sent to a different address entirely. It happens WAY too much. I’m thinking of filing a complaint, but will the mail carrier retaliate against me then?

The days when people used to recite that famous poem about the mail carriers delivering through rain, sleet, etc., back when they earned respect, seem to be over...at least where I live.


11 posted on 05/10/2010 10:28:54 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: Stayfree

What is a “postal letter”?


12 posted on 05/10/2010 10:29:26 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: Stayfree

Don’t give the Left any ideas...now they’re going to want to unionize the armed forces.


13 posted on 05/10/2010 10:31:23 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Larry Lucido; Cagey; MotleyGirl70

Newman: I called in sick. I don’t work in the rain!


14 posted on 05/10/2010 10:31:49 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: Stayfree

You didn’t know this? All postal employees are overpaid. Everyone I know knows that it’s a great paying job. Gov’t will never think to lower their salaries instead of raising the cost to the consumer and cutting service.


15 posted on 05/10/2010 10:32:36 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Dug this up.....being as I was in the Marine Corps back then; we basically enlisted and worked for the "joy of it".

http://www.afforums.com/ppost/data/648/11967.pdf

16 posted on 05/10/2010 10:32:43 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: ErnBatavia

http://www.afforums.com/ppost/data/648/11967.pdf


17 posted on 05/10/2010 10:32:55 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Stayfree

80K For What??? They should make minimum wage!


18 posted on 05/10/2010 10:32:58 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Stayfree

When was the last time you saw a ribbon saying “Support your Mailman”?


19 posted on 05/10/2010 10:34:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Non-Sequitur
"On the other hand where else can a high school graduate be making $53,000 per year at age 21 or 22?"

And, on the other, other hand, where can someone making $53K a year, irrespective of age, find themselves in jail for failing to do the job that they were hired to do, or for mouthing off to the boss, or any number of things that people in the civilian world wouldn't even be fired for, let alone imprisoned.

I would point out that the mean salary - at least two years ago - for an E-5 was $26K annually. And, I would guess that most E-5s are not 21-22, but closer to 25-26, and fresh E-5's aren't making $26K annually, they're probably making around $21K annually, or even a a little less.

20 posted on 05/10/2010 10:35:13 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Stayfree
Citing the pay for an Army sergeant really doesn't show how pathetic military pay really is.

My son is mid-way through his 3rd year in the Air Force. For two of these years, he's been stationed overseas, where he gets BONUS PAY for being there. He often works 12 hours a day, and has far fewer holidays than the average 1st-year postal worker.

I have his 2009 tax return in my hand. His GROSS pay was $18,309. It made me want to cry when I first saw it.

Our sons and daughters are making huge sacrifices for us and our country while the a**holes in Washington are trying to destroy it.

21 posted on 05/10/2010 10:42:45 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (How's that change workin' out for ya, Obama voters?)
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To: Stayfree

It’s all pretty simple:

The military overwhelmingly votes Republican

The postal service overwhelmingly votes Democrat

Remember, we’re in Zero’s world now. Stop expecting anything to make sense unless it is political.


22 posted on 05/10/2010 10:45:05 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Stayfree

This is insane.


23 posted on 05/10/2010 10:45:08 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Stayfree

Military personnel should be paid more than anyone else, regardless of rank or responsibility.


24 posted on 05/10/2010 10:45:16 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Stayfree

$80,000 a year for a letter carrier? That is wrong all by itself, without any comparisons. Add in the comparison to military pay, and it’s a travesty.


25 posted on 05/10/2010 10:47:51 AM PDT by savedbygrace (Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord)
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To: OldDeckHand

If you look at the parameters - E5 over 4 with dependant then the base salary is $2414 and housing and subsistence add another $1900 or so. That brings you to about $52,000 without adding hazardous duty pay or separation pay or anything like that, and that doesn’t include factoring in something for medical or retirement which they are for the letter carrier.


26 posted on 05/10/2010 10:52:03 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Stayfree

Very sad news !


27 posted on 05/10/2010 10:53:49 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Stayfree

Could be that despotic nations view their military as fodder. Is this another indication how far this country have fallen in the past two years?


28 posted on 05/10/2010 10:54:39 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Non-Sequitur
On the other hand where else can a high school graduate be making $53,000 per year at age 21 or 22?

Very true! When I was an NCO back in the late 70s/early 80s I was making about $7000 per year.

They are now making nearly what I was making as a Captain!

29 posted on 05/10/2010 10:56:27 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Stayfree

It seems everyone posting replies to this story is quite upset over the pay level of postal employees. I think it might be important to point out something all of you are missing. These simple minded, poor quality,lazy,shiftless postal workers are for the most part retired military service members. Without prior military service and something called veterans preference it is virtually impossible to be hired by the postal service. So it seems like you are complaining about the same people you are in support of.


30 posted on 05/10/2010 11:01:01 AM PDT by cquiggy
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To: Stayfree

Their in a friggin union aren’t they? And the USPS can seem to break even. Wonder why?


31 posted on 05/10/2010 11:01:49 AM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: cquiggy

Rgr that.


32 posted on 05/10/2010 11:02:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Stayfree
We don't we just reverse them? Have the military deliver the mail and the postal service fight the wars. I could see the headlines now:

Saturday battles are being canceled as a cost cutting measure.

2,000 pounds of bombs intended for Afghanistan were accidentally delivered to Switzerland

The terrorists are training 10,000 poodles and small dogs to repel the infidels.

33 posted on 05/10/2010 11:07:11 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Non-Sequitur
According to the Army's own recruiting information, the base bay of a MP E-5 over 4 is $47,278.

CIVILIAN / ARMY COMPENSATION COMPARISON

The Army, in quoting a recent CBO report says...

Active Duty service member received a compensation package worth $99,000. Non-cash compensation represents almost 60 percent of this package. Non-cash compensation includes health care, retirement pay, childcare and free or subsidized food, housing and education. Coupled with regular cash compensation, this adds up to attractive compensation for Soldiers.

I would also point out that while most E-5s don't have college degrees, it would be inaccurate to portray them as unskilled or as only high-school educated, far from it. In fact, they are very skilled, unlike postal carriers that have extremely limited training, and perform a job that is mundane, repetitive and mostly free of any leadership or independent thinking requirements. And, many NCOs receive well-structured and demanding leadership training, similar to what one might find in college level classes.

Virtually anyone in the Army above E-2 has at least some management responsibility - responsibility that comes with profound consequence in failure. Even if the letter carrier's total compensation is commensurate with the soldiers, their skill-set, responsibility, hazard, working conditions and hours, all fall WELL short of their military counterparts.

34 posted on 05/10/2010 11:07:52 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: I cannot think of a name
'Have the military deliver the mail and the postal service fight the wars. I could see the headlines now:"

You might be interested to know that twice in our country's history, the Marine Corps was actually used to protect mail carriers, or to deliver mail themselves in certain parts of the country during times of civil unrest.

35 posted on 05/10/2010 11:10:25 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: stuartcr

I agree & if they are in combat they should make double.


36 posted on 05/10/2010 11:12:03 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: OldMissileer
"When I was an NCO back in the late 70s/early 80s I was making about $7000 per year."

Do you remember what a mess the military was back in the late 70s, early 80s? It wasn't until Reagan began to funnel money back into the military - including bonuses for enlistment and increased basic pay and allowances - did the talent level begin to reflect what one might hope to find in a professional military.

Carter DESTROYED the military, and it took Reagan his entire presidency to rebuild it. I'm not sure I'd be so keen to wax poetic about the good ol' days of the late 70s.

37 posted on 05/10/2010 11:13:39 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Stayfree

they are making a back-door argument that the military should unionize....very, very bad!!


38 posted on 05/10/2010 11:23:01 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cquiggy
"These simple minded, poor quality,lazy,shiftless postal workers are for the most part retired military service members."

Retired? I'm not so sure about that. Like ANY federal civil service job, the post office assigns points to a candidate. Yes, veterans do receive additional points that non-veterans don't. And I think, Vietnam veterans receive additional points, although I'm not positive. And, I'm pretty sure other combat veterans don't receive any additional points, other than what they're eligible for as regular veterans.

In any event, while the Post Office might enjoy a larger percentage of veteran employees than civilian/commercial employers, I'm not sure if veterans make up a majority or even plurality of letter carriers.

39 posted on 05/10/2010 11:23:13 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Non-Sequitur
"On the other hand where else can a high school graduate be making $53,000 per year at age 21 or 22?"

"Entry level oil field jobs salaries range from $50,000 to $80,000 per year. For more technical and professional jobs, the range increases from $70,000 up to $220,000 per year."

40 posted on 05/10/2010 11:26:47 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Well, there is always Bering Sea Crab fishing...


41 posted on 05/10/2010 11:30:17 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: OldDeckHand
Carter DESTROYED the military, and it took Reagan his entire presidency to rebuild it. I'm not sure I'd be so keen to wax poetic about the good ol' days of the late 70s.

No where in my post did I "wax poetic." I was making a statement of fact about my pay back then and did not even comment on whether the new pay scales were for the better.

I am glad they are getting enough money to be able to at least live. My brother, an O1E, was eligible for the reduced price lunches for his children at the local schools where he served.

Back in those 70s I was pulling Alerts underground, the water chilling equipment broken in our Titan II launch complex (no money to fix it properly), the Control Center was about 110 degrees and we were carefully watching the tank pressure monitor as the Launch Duct heated up and the liquid fuel and oxidizer pressures climbed.

All the while we would relish the though of going back to base and our barracks in Wichita, where the Carter Administration had ordered all Government buildings, including barracks, to have their air conditioning turned off after 5 PM, so we had to sleep in our rooms in temps over 100 degrees at night.

I never "wax poetic" about such things and my post did not reflect that.

42 posted on 05/10/2010 11:32:04 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: OldMissileer
"No where in my post did I "wax poetic." I was making a statement of fact about my pay back then and did not even comment on whether the new pay scales were for the better."

Sorry, that is the way I read it. I apologize for misinterpreting your comments. I thought you were implying that pay is exorbitant today.

43 posted on 05/10/2010 12:04:59 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Non-Sequitur

re: On the other hand where else can a high school graduate be making $53,000 per year at age 21 or 22?

At the Post Office for one place.


44 posted on 05/10/2010 12:16:26 PM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: OldDeckHand
I apologize for being short with you. Too much Caffeine and not enough sleep.

I also did not finish about the tank pressure watching: we were quite concerned about them because the fuel and oxidizer was hypergolic and bolted on top of that Titan II missile was a nine megaton warhead.

As an aside: When I when I earned my Commission my pay as a 2Lt actually lowered about $100 per month from when I was an NCO.

45 posted on 05/10/2010 1:43:16 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: OldDeckHand

I remember the TM`s in comic book forms..it was
truly a dismal time for being in the Army

Jimmy Carter tried his best to ruin this country and
a true miracle came along and gave us Ronald Reagan to
bring the USA back to life


46 posted on 05/10/2010 3:52:09 PM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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