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Should There Be Affirmative Action For Protestants On The Supreme Court?
Pinochet

Posted on 05/10/2010 10:39:34 AM PDT by pinochet

If Elena Kagan is confirmed on the Supreme Court, there will be no Protestants on the Supreme Court, for the first time in American history. The majority of white Americans, as well as the majority of blacks, are Protestants. Evangelical Protestantism is the fastest growing religion in America, and is attracting large numbers of formerly Catholic Hispanics.

America was founded as a European Protestant Civilization, and about 70 percent of Americans can loosely be defined as Protestants. At the time of the American Revolution, about 95 percent of Whites in America were Protestants. I am a Catholic, but some of my ancestors were Protestants who were here before the American Revolution.

The Pilgrim Fathers who founded Colonial America, as well as many of the Founding Fathers of the American Revolution, intended America to be established as a European Protestant Civilization. How would the founders of America feel today, if they heard that their descendants had handed the country that they founded, over to religious minorities?

I believe that an Evangelical Protestant should be appointed to the Supreme Court. When Harriet Miers was rejected, Bush should have nominated another Evangelical Protestant.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bhoscotus; catholics; chat; faith; protestants; religion; robertscourt; scotus; supremecourt; vanity
Perhaps American Protestants should have listened to their great great grandparents, who warned them about religious minorities who were planning to take over their Protestant Civilization. Many do not seem to mind the loss of their civilization: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2510370/posts

The first American patriotic movement was known as the American Party, which was later labelled by their enemies as the "Know Nothing" party, and was active in the 1840s and 1850s. They demanded that non-Protestant immigrants should adopt America's Protestant values, before they were granted American citizenship. And they sought to limit immigration, to ensure that their civilization was not overwhelmed by culturally alien people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing

The bashing of WASPS is a favorite past-time for many Americans, including some WASPS. It is common for non-Protestant white ethnics (especially Irish Catholics) to whine about how horrible WASPS are, for discriminating against their ancestors. But most white ethnics are never grateful to WASPS, for creating a civilization that their ancestors could not create for themselves. That is why their ancestors moved to this Protestant nation...duh!

It is time to end the WASP-bashing, and put an evangelical Protestant on the Supreme Court. And thank you WASPS for creating America - the greatest civilization that the world has ever known! Where would we be without you?

1 posted on 05/10/2010 10:39:34 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

AA for the SC, NFL and NBA.


2 posted on 05/10/2010 10:40:33 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: pinochet

Breyer is a defacto WASP


3 posted on 05/10/2010 10:40:45 AM PDT by hecht (NEXT YEAR IN JERUSALEM)
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To: pinochet

That woman is about as “Catholic” as my dog. Please don’t insult devote, practicing Catholics with being lumped in with these In-name-only, Catholics who only use that religious title as a means to an end for which they will pay for dearly in eternity.


4 posted on 05/10/2010 10:42:44 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: pinochet; All

Where is the voice on the court for the disabled and the Asian-Americans? No Justice, No Peace !!!!!


5 posted on 05/10/2010 10:43:13 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (If you believe in manmade global warming, you lack the gift of reason.)
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To: pinochet

No, it’s unconstitutional. And nobody ever said the SCOTUS was supposed to be representative of the country.


6 posted on 05/10/2010 10:43:38 AM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The NFL and NBA do have affirmative action:

Roughing the QB and the 3-point line.


7 posted on 05/10/2010 10:46:18 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: discostu

Correct. SCOTUS isn’t intended to resemble America.

But they must be able to empathize with a single mother, etc.


8 posted on 05/10/2010 10:47:47 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: pinochet

I wonder how she views Israel?


9 posted on 05/10/2010 10:48:05 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: AbeKrieger

You are an obvious bigot. You did not list a “mentally challenged individual” as a court member.


10 posted on 05/10/2010 10:48:20 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: ilovesarah2012
The problem is political reality. It's obvious that any true evangelical is prolife, which means a Democrat filibuster. Due to the fact there are CINO’s like Biden and Pelosi being Catholic is more ambiguous and easier to confirm.
11 posted on 05/10/2010 10:49:17 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Integrityrocks

>>>>That woman is about as “Catholic” as my dog

Kagan is Jewish, and not Catholic.


12 posted on 05/10/2010 10:50:50 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

How about affirmative action for constitutionalists.


13 posted on 05/10/2010 10:51:43 AM PDT by marron
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To: pinochet

How could any members who are pro Roe Vs Wade be Catholic?


14 posted on 05/10/2010 10:51:46 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: pinochet

“Evangelical Protestantism is the fastest growing religion in America, and is attracting large numbers of formerly Catholic Hispanics.”

You know, this is a good way to make enemies of allies. How about no. Protestants gave us R v Wade.


15 posted on 05/10/2010 10:53:32 AM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: Retired Greyhound

Empathy isn’t in their job. They’re supposed to interpret the law as it relates to the Constitution. If something is unconstitutional it’s unconstitutional and therefore should go away, no matter how many empathy receivers it might inconvenience. If we want it bad enough we can always pass an Amendment.


16 posted on 05/10/2010 10:55:31 AM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: discostu

>>>>No, it’s unconstitutional. And nobody ever said the SCOTUS was supposed to be representative of the country

Protestants make up 70 percent of America’s population. Are you trying to tell me that there are no Protestants who are qualified to be Supreme Court Justices, from that 70 percent? What is unconstitutional, is the religious profiling that is excluding Protestants from the Supreme Court.


17 posted on 05/10/2010 10:55:39 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

I didn’t say anything of the sort. I’m simply pointing out that religious tests for federal office (including SCOTUS) are EXPLICITY unconstitutional and nobody said SCOTUS was supposed to represent the country in any way. If you can prove that profiling charge sue, it’s unconstitutional, if you can’t prove it then you should probably stop throwing around silly words you can’t prove.


18 posted on 05/10/2010 10:58:15 AM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: pinochet

“No religious test shall be given.” It’s in the Constitution.


19 posted on 05/10/2010 11:00:33 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: BenKenobi

>>>>You know, this is a good way to make enemies of allies. How about no. Protestants gave us R v Wade

But Protestants are a major force in the pro-life movement. Look...I admire Scalia, Alito, Thomas and Roberts, just as much as anyone here. But Catholics are not the only people capable of being pro-life Justices. The appointment of an evangelical would be good for religious diversity.


20 posted on 05/10/2010 11:01:43 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

Do you owe Rush a citation here, or do great minds just think alike? ;)


21 posted on 05/10/2010 11:06:51 AM PDT by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: colorado tanker

So now we need affirmative action for protestants. I hate libs.


22 posted on 05/10/2010 11:08:17 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: discostu

Yes, I know. It was a joke, because Obama said that empathy was his criteria for selecting judges.


23 posted on 05/10/2010 11:08:25 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: pinochet

incredibly unfair to the Transgendered Wiccan community...


24 posted on 05/10/2010 11:18:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pinochet

“religious profiling that is excluding Protestants from the Supreme Court.”

Oh, when you vote in favour of killing babies, I think you lose any support you would have had otherwise.

Here are the 6 protestents who supported Roe, and their church affiliations. Why on earth should we support Protestants when they are responsible for the greatest atrocity in the history of the United States?

Harold Blackmun — Methodist
Warren Burger — Presbyterian
Thurgood Marshall — Episcopalian
William O Douglas — Presbyterian
Potter Stewart — Episcopalian
Lewis Powell — Presbyterian


25 posted on 05/10/2010 11:24:07 AM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: pinochet

Oh, I agree, but I think our test should be “are you prolife or not”, not “are you a protestant”.

I don’t care if you are an Orthodox Jew, Evangelical Protestant or a Catholic. If you are prolife, then you are a good justice. Brennan is just as much a warning to us, as is the wise latina.


26 posted on 05/10/2010 11:26:17 AM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: pinochet
I agree with those that say no explicit or implicit religious test should be used. But the overall point is still a good one --

The Left uses diversity as a wedge. They want membership (somewhere, anywhere) changed because there aren't enough blacks/jews/women/gays/hispanic/whatevers. And people in the media, and people in the street nod their head and say "Everyone deserves a voice."

Of course, the representative the Left selects is not truly being selected based on demographics -- they are chosen because they are Socialists. The demographics is just a shield.

But if we find a situation where a mainstream, traditional, demographically large American voice is not present, and suggest that there is something odd in this, many people jump and down and shout reasons why having no Protestant on the Court is a perfectly fine thing.

The point isn't that we need a Protestant on the court. The point is that we need a Traditionalist (anti-Socialist) on the court.

The Left has tools at it's disposal. We kick those tools aside and just try to win the battle with nothing but our bare hands.

It's not working.

27 posted on 05/10/2010 11:36:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: pinochet

The country is not 70% Protestant.

Most statistics I’ve seen have the Evangelical population at around 30% and the mainline at around 25%, or around 55%. Catholic Church official statistics claim around 25-30% but a good number of Catholics don’t actually bother to register with parishes and so the real number is probably around 33-37% or somewhere there abouts.

This isn’t even the issue though. How any Catholic can come in and defend the Know Nothing Party as a “patriotic movement” I don’t know. These people persecuted our ancestors, tried to drive us from this country and subjected us to various kinds of discrimination. The legacy of the Know-Nothings is the reason why every Catholic in this country cast ballots for Smith in 1928 and Kennedy in 1960.

For all this whining about “Protestant Civilization”, if there even is such a thing, I have yet to hear the whining about the fact that we have only had one Catholic president, and only one 3 occassions has a major political party nominated a Catholic for the highest office even though we constitute in the neighborhood of a third of the population of the country if not more.

I have also never known of the Catholic justices the court has had injected anti-Catholic presence into their rulings the way that Protestant judges like Hugo Black were legendary for.


28 posted on 05/10/2010 11:56:21 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: pinochet

Perhaps the purchase of a copy of this little document called the Constitution of the United States should be in your immediate future.

Skip to the end of Article 6 and read the last paragraph thereof.

Oh, and I’m pretty sure that there was an American patriotic movement before the 1840s.


29 posted on 05/10/2010 11:56:35 AM PDT by dmz
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To: pinochet

Ok, this is what I am going to do. I am going to go through judicial appointments starting with Kennedy with the religion of the appointed chief executive and of the justice and we’ll see if there is any profiling.

Kennedy-Roman Catholic: White (Episcopalian), Goldberg (Jewish)

Johnson-Disciples of Christ: Fortas (Jewish), Marshall (Episcopalian)

Nixon-Quaker: Berger (Presbyterian), Blackmun (Methodist), Powell (Presbyterian), Rehnquist (Lutheran)

Ford-Episcopalian: Stevens (Protestant)

Reagan-Presbyterian: O’Connor (Episcopalian), Scalia (Catholic), Bork (Catholic), Kennedy (Catholic)

Bush 1-Episcopalian: Souter (Episcopalian), Thomas (Episcopalian then later Catholic)

Clinton-Southern Baptist: Ginsburg (Jewish), Breyer

Bush 2-United Methodist: Roberts (Catholic), Miers (Protestant of some kind), Alito (Catholic)

Obama-Protestant: Sotomayor (Catholic), Kagen (Jewish).

Now, if you can tell me where the profiling or special treatment on this list is I’ll be glad to consider it. So far, I see only one president who made appointments that were all his religion and a whole bunch who made appointments far outside the scope of their own.

There is no profiling. These guys are chosen by the presidents based on what kind of justices they’d make (except for Obama’s, both of which I believe are meant to address political problems for him).


30 posted on 05/10/2010 12:21:04 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: pinochet

religious tests for Federal office are explicitly forbidden.


31 posted on 05/10/2010 12:28:10 PM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Retired Greyhound

He said that?! Geez, I’m glad I try not to listen to him, I get enough headaches as it is.


32 posted on 05/10/2010 12:33:21 PM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: discostu

Yes, he said that.

Not listening to him is very wise.


33 posted on 05/10/2010 12:34:30 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: AzaleaCity5691

>>>>For all this whining about “Protestant Civilization”, if there even is such a thing

According to the German sociologist, Max Weber, modern capitalism was developed by Protestants. He wrote a famous book that is titled: “The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism

Historically, the Catholic Church was opposed banking - i.e. to people who loaned money and charged interest for it. Without the modern banking sector, capitalism would never have developed. This explains why the US, Britain, Holland, and Germany, became the world’s leading nations in international trade. It also explains why Switzerland has the world’s most successful banking industry. Protestants gave us the modern world, after the Western civilization remained stagnant in the Catholic Middle Ages. It is this capitalist civilization that I am referring to as “Protestant Civilization”. To their credit, Catholic nations have become very good at running capitalist societies.

>>>>How any Catholic can come in and defend the Know Nothing Party as a “patriotic movement” I don’t know

I have several Irish Catholic neighbors, and they spend a great deal of time bashing Protestants for things that WASPS did in the past. But these Irish neighbors of mine also like to complain about third world immigration, and about how third world people are failing to assimilate into American culture. They are strongly opposed to large parts of this country being turned into Spanish speaking zones, and support making English the official language of the United States.

Some of the Know Nothings were not nice people. But they were concerned about the cultural unity of America, and were the first American critics of multi-culturalism. Catholic nations in Europe treated their Protestant minorities far worse than the Know Nothings treated Catholics in America. Many Protestants in America were French Huguenots, who fled from France after French Catholics murdered about 30,000 Protestants in the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew’s_Day_massacre

In Spain, Protestants were targeted by the Inquisition. You should try and see things from the Protestant perspective. They felt that too many Catholics in America would turn this country into another Spain or France, and bring the Catholic Inquisition to America. The Know Nothings did not want to get rid of Catholics who were here, or force them to convert. But they felt that there should be a system of assimilation that would allow them to become Americanized.

Today, patriotic American Catholics are concerned about Muslim immigration, as well as immigration by Mexicans who refuse to assimilate into America’s English-speaking culture.


34 posted on 05/10/2010 1:19:00 PM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

What there should not be : any justices with ties to foreign nations.


35 posted on 05/10/2010 7:46:38 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Liberals are right. The AZ situation is like Nazi Germany. Mexico is Germany and Arizona is Poland)
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