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grunthor | 11 may 2010 | grunthor

Posted on 05/11/2010 7:33:39 AM PDT by Grunthor

Ok so I filled out my census form with the constitutionally required information (how many people live here) and sent it in. Still, I have had two different census workers show up here telling me that it is my duty to complete the form and that it is their duty to "help me" do that. Both incidents have been polite on either side however I realize that eventually the time will come when they will stop being polite.

Last night the census worker was asking for our names. I was sorely tempted to give them made up names but I understand falsifying that document might be a crime so I just smiled and repeated (to her consternation) that 3 people live here.

After I repeated the same line the third time in reponse to her pleadings, she got the point (must be a liberal) and left with the admonition that they will be back one more time.

I said, "One more time and then no more? Promise?"

Has anyone else had any issues with these people yet?


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1 posted on 05/11/2010 7:33:39 AM PDT by Grunthor
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To: Grunthor

I am waiting for them to show up, as I answered the same way.
They will get this handout:


I hereby rebut your Title 13, Section 141 presumption of authority for personal information collection for Census 2010, due to the following apparent Title 13 violations:
• §6(c) restrictions on process;
• §195 restrictions on Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 & Amendment 14, Section 2 process;
• §241 failure of request process;
• §301(a), §303 & §307 lack of authorization to collect information;
• §302 lack of authorization for Chapter 5 or Chapter 7 implementing regulations;
• And, your apparent personal violation of Chapter 1, Subchapter II, §23(c) restrictions on presumptions of Chapter 9 authority.
• THEREFORE: I hereby retain all of my rights and privileges under the 4th and 5th Amendments, and respectfully decline to respond to any questions.


2 posted on 05/11/2010 7:36:04 AM PDT by elpinta (Jer. 10:23)
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To: Grunthor

Had a moderately illiterate woman show up at my door. She spoke like her tongue was numb (like she’d been doing coke all day). I told her that I already submitted the form and that there are two people living in the home.

She pressed me much the same way and actually got a little snippy with me. I didn’t give her the pleasure of an argument and said the same thing as you, “There are 2 people in this home” over and over again.


3 posted on 05/11/2010 7:36:52 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Grunthor

I only filled out the number of residents, our age and race. Period. Haven’t had a visit yet, but did get a follow-up mailing because I hadn’t sent in the form by April 1st (more like the middle of April). That’s it so far.

I’m looking forward to a visit, should that occur. I’ll show them the ‘No Solicitation’ sign on my door (provided by the city, and covers city regulations), and tell them that the federal government isn’t excluded from that IMO.


4 posted on 05/11/2010 7:38:12 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama: Hokus Pokus POTUS)
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To: elpinta

I entered a single number “2” for the number of people at this address and mailed it back. That fulfills my requirement under the law.


5 posted on 05/11/2010 7:38:29 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Grunthor

Those are just folks hired as temps. I’m sure they are just doing the follow up work in accordance with their short term contract. You shouldn’t worry until they show up with thr SWAT team and the CEA (census enforcement agency) agents.;^)


6 posted on 05/11/2010 7:38:52 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Grunthor

All I put on mine was that four Americans lived at this address. . .


7 posted on 05/11/2010 7:39:49 AM PDT by ninergold3 (Danny Tarkanian for US Senate (NV) - www.tark2010.org)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Exactly what I wrote, the rest is either a matter of public record, or private information.


8 posted on 05/11/2010 7:40:11 AM PDT by elpinta (Jer. 10:23)
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To: Grunthor

Chris Walken shows the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XtuPvwBa2U


9 posted on 05/11/2010 7:40:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Grunthor

BM


10 posted on 05/11/2010 7:40:55 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Grunthor

We misplaced our form in a bout of spring cleaning, and so Mrs. kevkrom was subject to a personal visit a little while back. Despite the fact that she does tend to be a liberal, I must be a good influence on her, as she provided only the number of people and dates of birth. (I wouldn’t have provided birthdays, but she still did a good job nonetheless.)


11 posted on 05/11/2010 7:42:23 AM PDT by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: musicman

ping


12 posted on 05/11/2010 7:42:55 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

They asked the number of residents as of 4/1/10.

Since I sent it back in the middle of March, I pointed out that my crystal ball was cloudy...

But this is NH, with a primarily conservative white population, so I doubt that they’ll show up on the front porch.


13 posted on 05/11/2010 7:43:30 AM PDT by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: cripplecreek

One of my two favorite actors.


14 posted on 05/11/2010 7:44:16 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: bcsco
I only filled out the number of residents, our age and race.

The racial question is the one I will not fill out. I go out of my way to not answer racial questions, even to the point of making people throw out forms which they have already check off my race and tell them to do it again without that information. I want to blind the beast of government to racial information to make it harder for them to do any racial hijinks.

15 posted on 05/11/2010 7:44:47 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (I am so immune to satire that I ate three Irish children after reading Swift's "A Modest Proposal")
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To: Grunthor
Both incidents have been polite on either side however I realize that eventually the time will come when they will stop being polite.

Ten years ago, I got the long form and sent it back with only the number of people in my home.

First some old guy started calling. Then he tried to invite himself over. I told him I wouldn't open the door. He tried cajoling. Then he tried vague threats of legal trouble. Then he gave up.

Don't worry about them. They have a list of tactics they have to run through to earn their check. They don't really care, they just want to get paid.

16 posted on 05/11/2010 7:44:47 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Grunthor

I “never received” any of the three census mailings I hear other people got.

Sure enough, 2 Saturdays ago, the census guy showed up. I didn’t invite him in, I came out and we spoke on the front porch. He was polite, handed me the bilingual “guide,” then proceeded to ask his questions, filling out a form on his clipboard.

“Is this your primary residence, or a vacation home?” Primary.

“How many people living here?” 5

“What is the first persons date of birth?” Ages are 36, 35, 14, 12, 11.

“What are their dates of birth?” Ages are 36, 35..

“I need dates of birth.” You’re only going to get ages. In fact, you’ve already been given all the information I will provide.

“Race of first person?” I’m not going to answer that or any other question. I’ve given you all you’re going to get.

“I’ll put caucasion.” Put whatever you like, but I didn’t supply the answer, you’re making the decisions on your own from here on out.

“You aren’t going to answer any more questions?” No. The law only requires I provide number of individuals and ages. That’s all I’m providing. It’s nothing personal.

“No, I don’t take it personally. Some people have decided to make a point, for personal, or political, or whatever reasons. That’s fine. You’re actually more polite than most.”

“Anyone of hispanic origin living here?” I’ve given you all the information you’re going to get.

“Have a good day.” You do the same.


17 posted on 05/11/2010 7:44:55 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: Grunthor

Nope, haven’t had one show up yet... I fill in number of people in my home and thats it, as I have my entire life, if they do show up I will tell them politely to not come back... I will not answer any other questions.


18 posted on 05/11/2010 7:45:29 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Grunthor

We replied in writing that 2 people live here.

A census worker came to the door last week. I told her that we already replied and to have a nice day before closing the door.


19 posted on 05/11/2010 7:47:42 AM PDT by RedMDer (Throw them all out in 2010... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: kevkrom

Dates of birth are exactly what we left off.....another arrow in somebody’s identity theft quiver.


20 posted on 05/11/2010 7:47:56 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

That is pretty much how it’s been going with me. I figure they will show up one more time, probably get pissy and still not get the info they want.

I might give them ages next time but I don’t want to encourage a fourth visit.


21 posted on 05/11/2010 7:48:08 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: cripplecreek

lol
thanks for posting


22 posted on 05/11/2010 7:48:49 AM PDT by ASOC (Things are not always as they appear, ask the dog chasing the car)
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To: KarlInOhio

I answered that question because we live in a rural community with a Hispanic population tied to farming. Yeah, I know. I wanted the information out there so be maintain a correct balance between Whites, Black and Hispanic.


23 posted on 05/11/2010 7:49:20 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama: Hokus Pokus POTUS)
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To: KarlInOhio

I made a big scene at my closing when I crossed off the race box that had been checked by the mortgage broker on my mortgage application. My lawyer said it’s no big deal; I said that the question is optional and that I will not be part of some social re-engineering scam. I want the checked box crossed off. Everyone rolled their eyes, but I didn’t care. I told them that my race has nothing to do my financial qualifications for obtaining this or any other loan.


24 posted on 05/11/2010 7:50:26 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: Grunthor

We didn’t return the census form and we have no intention of talking to any census workers.With the statements of many RAT officeholders here and the “public service” campaign a few months ago it’s obvious that 500,000 non-existent residents of Massachusetts will be “counted” in the census.So my household not being counted will decrease that fraud by several.


25 posted on 05/11/2010 7:50:51 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: HamiltonJay

I had one show up yesterday. No one in our borough of North Apollo PA had received the form as we all have PO boxes. We had a polite conversation on the front porch and I provided my name and that one person lived there. She wanted more information, including my phone number but I politely said that the government didn’t really need that info for the census and that would be all I would be sharing. We wished each other a good evening and that was that.


26 posted on 05/11/2010 7:50:55 AM PDT by cjshapi (Proudly posting without a tagline since 2001)
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To: bcsco
I’m looking forward to a visit, should that occur. I’ll show them the ‘No Solicitation’ sign on my door (provided by the city, and covers city regulations), and tell them that the federal government isn’t excluded from that IMO.

I was hounded relentlessly by phone last census (I thought we were unlisted but I suppose they have their ways) so much I had to screen the calls with the answering machine. I finally picked up the phone and requested to be placed on their "do not call" list, heheh. LOL, you can probably guess where that led.... said she was from the government, said they didn't count. Eventually she got around to threatening me with a fine. Idiot stopped calling after that. Thankfully I am nowhere near census creeps this time around.

27 posted on 05/11/2010 7:51:11 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: kevkrom

I gave my age , race and that one male lived here. As far as date of birth, I just asked if they were going to send me a birthday card? Name- I put NOYB, so I’m waiting for them to either write or so up asking for Mr. NOYB.


28 posted on 05/11/2010 7:51:15 AM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming and it will be violent--FUBO)
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To: Grunthor

I had one show up at my door one evening last week. A cheerful black woman. Very apologetic, I was ready to answer 1 person lives here when she interjected; we got yours, you’re fine. (odd because I only answered “1” and “human”).

No she wanted to ask if anyone lived next door. Yes I said, but that she’s out a lot. She wanted to know if I would be a proxy and answer for her, as she had visited three times already and that the rules prevented further visits (?).

I declined, and she thanked me and left.


29 posted on 05/11/2010 7:52:29 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Grunthor

I can’t blame the workers. In Zero’s world it’s probably the best job they can get right now.

The strategy of politely declining is the way to go.


30 posted on 05/11/2010 7:53:53 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: ASOC

I’ve got dual citizenship with florida.


31 posted on 05/11/2010 7:54:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: KarlInOhio

My census worker is a nice guy and well-known in the community so i didn’t get snippy with him. he agreed with me that the race questions, do I own my own home etc. were ridiculous. I didn’t answer them. Just my name and age and how many people live here.

I thought instead of all those alternatives for your race, they should just ask ‘What color is your skin?’ and then provide a color chart you could match up your skin with. Like those tooth colors on a piece of clear plastic when you get your teeth whitened.


32 posted on 05/11/2010 7:54:29 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: benewton
But this is NH, with a primarily conservative white population, so I doubt that they’ll show up on the front porch.

"Conservative"? Is that why three of your four representatives in DC are among the filthiest slimebags to have ever drawn breath (just like 11 of our 12)?

33 posted on 05/11/2010 7:54:34 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: AFreeBird

“and that the rules prevented further visits”

Well that is truly great news.


34 posted on 05/11/2010 7:55:20 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s great!


35 posted on 05/11/2010 7:55:44 AM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Grunthor

I avoided the census taker yesterday...happened to look out my window and there she was. She didn’t see me and left after a few minutes. I suspect she tried ringing the doorbell, but I disconnected the bell years ago.

Saw a neighbor yesterday who told me the same woman came to his door. She did ask about the house next door (mine). My neighbor said he didn’t know anything about the occupants of that home. I don’t usually like my neighbors, but this one is ok in my book.


36 posted on 05/11/2010 7:55:58 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Grunthor

Mine was addressed to ‘resident’. I chucked it in the garbage and left town for a week and a half. Haven’t heard anything since. I’m curious to see if they come around.


37 posted on 05/11/2010 7:57:49 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Ezekiel

We don’t have a land line so they’d have to call my cell phone. The may have the number, may not, but I monitor the phone numbers when called.

If they call, I’ll tell them the same thing I’d tell them at the door, then hang up.


38 posted on 05/11/2010 8:00:08 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama: Hokus Pokus POTUS)
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To: Grunthor

First I had heard of it. I was also amazed I didn’t get any grief for not filling out dob, phone, name or any of the 7 other questions I didn’t answer


39 posted on 05/11/2010 8:00:31 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Gay State Conservative

Massholes.

We really need a fence on the border...


40 posted on 05/11/2010 8:06:20 AM PDT by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: saganite

Two showed up last weekend at my house.

While one was trying to get info from me,the other was peeking into the windows of my house - which ticked off my 3 dogs.

Peeping-census woman then inquired, “Beautiful Shepherds - what do you feed them?”

“Strangers, mostly”

Guess I’ll be getting the first SWAT visit.


41 posted on 05/11/2010 8:07:53 AM PDT by LadyBuck (In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher')
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To: Grunthor
I live in a rural area near Yosemite national park. I sent in the census form with the required “ Enumeration” ( article 1 sec. 2 of the constitution) count, of the number of people living here. The rest of the questions I left unanswered. A census person has been leaving tags on my gate ( I have an electronic gate that requires a code to open) for two weeks now. I didn't remove the tags and yesterday they disappeared.That either means that they gave up or that their sending in the supervisor.
42 posted on 05/11/2010 8:08:24 AM PDT by Bullpine
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To: cjshapi

Yes, I live in an small upper middle class borough, I really doubt I’ll see a door to door census worker pushing for more info... but I always give number of people in my home, and if I feel like having fun fill in race question by checking other and writing in HUMAN.

That’s all I ever have or ever will give the Census, as should everyone else. Its constitutionally authorized for representative apportionment, any other question beyond how many people live in your home is irrellevant.


43 posted on 05/11/2010 8:13:47 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: KarlInOhio

I never filled out the race question before this year.

This year I answered “Other: American”.

That and the number of residents (one) is all they get from me.


44 posted on 05/11/2010 8:26:36 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Grunthor

During the last Census they showed up 3 - 4 times and the on the last time they sent a cute college girl in her early 20’s.

I said I liked the nice touch but the answers remain the same, 4 people, 2 male 2 female, and we’re white.

This year I answered 2 people 1 female 1 male, and we’re American (kids left).

When they come this year I’ll make sure I’m sitting in my garage cleaning my bike or AR-15, drinking a beer and watching Fox news.. hopefully Glenn Beck will be on.


45 posted on 05/11/2010 8:27:51 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA, Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: maddog55

“When they come this year I’ll make sure I’m sitting in my garage cleaning my bike or AR-15, drinking a beer and watching Fox news.. hopefully Glenn Beck will be on.”

You trying to make some young socialist piss herself?

;o)


46 posted on 05/11/2010 8:29:39 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: Grunthor; All

I signed up to do the census specifically to see how it was run from the inside. My concerns revolved around ACORN involvement and use of statistics to infer population patterns.
My 19yo son is also an enumerator thereby earning a better-than-average wage while he’s on break from college.
We had 4 full days of training on confidentiality, safety, specifics at to what qualifies as a housing unit etc.
We were and will be assigned to our local areas - this is SOP so just remember, the person you dis at the door is a neighbor.
We all know the constitutions requires a head count every 10 years. That’s what this is about. There are no extended questionairres related to the 10yr census. There are other studies out there that can be intrusive but you are under no obligation to participate.
We are not there to force responses - if you don’t want to answer any or all questions, we mark you as an REF and move on. If someone at the census wants to bug you from then on, it’s not our doing. We don’t invent the questions or the wording but we are obligated to read them to you as written. And yes, it seems silly to ask a person if they are male when you’re looking at them BUT them’s the rules we were given. And we try to laugh it off best as possible.
There are many houses out there that could have people in them that are not being counted - that’s what we’re paid to find out. Likewise, people either didn’t turn in forms they received or moved and missed their form or ????? - we are here to fill in the holes. We see plenty of screwups by the census bureau with respect to multiple mailings, bad maps, messed up census books but we try to work around these occasions to get the best count possible. I would much rather do that than trust some statistician in Obama’s crowd to “infer” the result of their choice.

So far I think the census folks have done a pretty good job in my area. They try to answer our questions and they try to schedule us efficiently and keep costs down. The classes I trained with were well represented by black/white/young/old/asian/male/female etc. I’ve seen no signs of bias, favoritism or fraud.
All of us MUST wear badges. On the back of the badge is the phone # for the local census board. Call them if you have a problem with the enumerator. There are undoubtedly some bad apples and I’d rather see them fired than tolerated. But give the rest of us a break OK?
It isn’t all that much fun to walk house-to-house in the sun dodging dogs. But most of us thought it important to “get it right”.


47 posted on 05/11/2010 8:32:26 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: bossmechanic

Is there any part of my post that says to you that I have treated these people any other way than politely?


48 posted on 05/11/2010 8:35:47 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: cripplecreek
Chris Walken shows the way.

THAT was hilarious!

49 posted on 05/11/2010 8:40:32 AM PDT by houeto (Get drinking water from your ditch - http://www.junglebucket.com/Jungle-Bucket-1.htm)
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To: Grunthor

I filled out all the information gladly. I figured that after November the newly-elected conservatives are going to need it for re-gerrymandering the districts.


50 posted on 05/11/2010 8:41:23 AM PDT by The Duke
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