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Solve the organ shortage with euthanasia, says leading bioethicist
The Woodward Report ^ | May 11, 2010 | Michael Cook

Posted on 05/11/2010 8:30:18 PM PDT by antiobamacare

It was only a matter of time before someone would construct a serious formal argument for solving the growing organ shortage by euthanasing brain-dead or unconscious. It has finally happened. The only surprise is that it has been made by an Oxford don who is the editor of the leading journal, Bioethics.

Professor Julian Savulescu and his associate Dominic Wilkinson, in an early on-line article, “Should we allow organ donation euthanasia? Alternatives for maximizing the number and quality of organs for transplantation”, contend that their proposal could supply as many as 2,200 more organs each year in the UK.

Savulescu and Wilkinson’s idea runs like this. It is indecent that 450 people die in Britain while waiting for an organ. People who are on life support or who are brain-dead are potentially a good source of organs, as each body can yield as many as nine of them. Organs taken from living patients are most suitable for transplant, because every second after the heart stops beating decreases the chances of transplant success. Patients would, of course, have to assent to the procedure before they became unconscious. And they envisage taking organs only from patients who would die soon anyway.

Adopting their proposal would be a revolution in medical ethics, they acknowledge, as doctors have always been forbidden to kill patients. And they also realise that the public would be unlikely to embrace the idea. “But if we can save even one life, that is something of great moral importance,” they write. “Many lives could be saved even if only a small percentage of people opted for [organ donation euthanasia].”

Their principal concern is to solve the organ shortage, but this idea also provides a strong argument for euthanasia: “although most arguments for euthanasia are distinguished from questions of organ donation...

(Excerpt) Read more at thewoodwardreport.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bioethics; corruption; euthanasia; organs

1 posted on 05/11/2010 8:30:18 PM PDT by antiobamacare
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To: antiobamacare

>>It was only a matter of time before someone would construct a serious formal argument for solving the growing organ shortage by euthanasing brain-dead...<<

Well, I’ll miss some of my liberal friends, but it is for The Greater Good after all...


2 posted on 05/11/2010 8:31:47 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The frog who rides on a scorpion should not be surprised when he last hears "it is my nature.")
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To: antiobamacare

Much more ethical, but still objectionable to some: solve the shortage by allowing people to be paid to donate - that is, allow a free market in organs - which is presently banned. (And, surprise surprise, there’s a shortage of something with a declared worth of zero.)


3 posted on 05/11/2010 8:32:24 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: antiobamacare
I believe we can solve the "organ shortage" by harvesting anyone who goes by the title "bioethicist."
4 posted on 05/11/2010 8:34:24 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: antiobamacare
How about we solve the organ problem by euthanizing bioethecists.
5 posted on 05/11/2010 8:35:33 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: antiobamacare

Here it comes. Right on cue. The one thing everyone insisted absolutely couldn’t possibly happen. Surprise! Surprise!


6 posted on 05/11/2010 8:35:56 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: antiobamacare
Savulescu and Wilkinson’s idea runs like this. It is indecent that 450 people die in Britain while waiting for an organ.

Savulescu and Wilkinson could make this number drop to 448 all by themselves, without ever having to sell their indecent idea.

7 posted on 05/11/2010 8:35:59 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: antiobamacare

As with all population control advocates.....”you first”...


8 posted on 05/11/2010 8:37:11 PM PDT by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: TASMANIANRED
How about we solve the organ problem by euthanizing bioethecists.

BINGO!

9 posted on 05/11/2010 8:40:07 PM PDT by jslade (People that are easily offended OFFEND ME!)
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To: antiobamacare

Well isn’t that just f*****g brilliant. Why didn’t I think of that?

Can the sarcasm get any thicker? No. Not with out getting banned.


10 posted on 05/11/2010 8:40:21 PM PDT by Danae (Don't like the Constitution, try living in a country with out one.)
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To: antiobamacare
Solve the organ shortage with euthanasia, says leading bioethicist

Euthanasia and bioethics in the same sentence ... who would have thunk it.

11 posted on 05/11/2010 8:40:55 PM PDT by doc1019 (Rush, Beck and others are giving us the dots; it is up to us to connect them.)
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To: antiobamacare

Why kill them first?


12 posted on 05/11/2010 8:41:47 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: antiobamacare
Patients would, of course, have to assent to the procedure before they became unconscious.

Works for me. Where do I sign up?

13 posted on 05/11/2010 8:45:32 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: antiobamacare

That’s not ethical!


14 posted on 05/11/2010 8:45:45 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: antiobamacare

The man should be fired and prohibited from working in medicine ever again.


15 posted on 05/11/2010 8:46:30 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: antiobamacare

Right to Die = Duty to Die


16 posted on 05/11/2010 8:46:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: antiobamacare; Bokababe

.....Solve the organ shortage with euthanasia, says leading bioethicist....

Yeah! Just like muslim Kosovo Albanians do!!!!


17 posted on 05/11/2010 8:53:13 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: antiobamacare

These two pixies stole this “idea” from the Chicoms. They’ve been doing this for years.


18 posted on 05/11/2010 8:54:34 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Had enough "history" yet?)
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To: YHAOS
“Here it comes. Right on cue. The one thing everyone insisted absolutely couldn't’t possibly happen.”

Never say never. If it is possible to think it, someone will suggest it or just flat out do it. And because it can be thought of or done, there are those who will think it should be. I'm just thrilled with the irony of the term “bioethicist”.

19 posted on 05/11/2010 9:02:30 PM PDT by MWestMom (Tread carefully, truth lies here.)
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To: antiobamacare
From a utilitarian viewpoint, wouldn't it be better to randomly select among the healthy because their organs would be in better shape than the dying? You can save the lives of nine people with the life of one other. Thus is the danger of a strict utilitarian valuation of human life.
20 posted on 05/11/2010 9:02:35 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (I am so immune to satire that I ate three Irish children after reading Swift's "A Modest Proposal")
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To: antiobamacare
Solve the organ shortage with euthanasia, says leading bioethicist...I thought they solved that problem by developing a glitch in their super-duper computerized medical records system which put 20,000 people who in fact hadn't signed up on the organ donor volunteers list - why bother with trivialities like actually asking permission from people before you help yourself to their body parts???......
21 posted on 05/11/2010 9:03:35 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: antiobamacare

Elderly need to begin comparing actuarial data to infectious disease timetables. Then they can deliberately get infected and finish out their days as unsuitable donors. Sure, they’d be denied treatment under socialist care, but at least the organ donation people wouldn’t be showing up to croak them. Did the boys of Monty Python ever conceive how close to reality that bit would be?


22 posted on 05/11/2010 9:03:38 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: freedumb2003

“Well, I’ll miss some of my liberal friends, but it is for The Greater Good after all...”

LOL!


23 posted on 05/11/2010 9:07:14 PM PDT by tanuki (Obamacare, Cap and Tax, Amnesty, in that order....)
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To: antiobamacare

Simply a case of the West following the lead of the East, in this case, China; they’ve been doing this for some years already. Except the donors are not really donors, if you catch my drift.

No doubt, this will also be the case in the West. “Oh, you’re a Republican, how quaint. Now, I’ll just put you under so we can remove that troublesome tooth......”


24 posted on 05/11/2010 9:07:19 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: antiobamacare

Honestly, I’d solve the organ shortage by:

1. allowing people to sell their own; and

2. only allowing organs to be donated to adults who have volunteered to be donors themselves.


25 posted on 05/11/2010 9:07:39 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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To: coloradan
Correct.

There are lots of ethical dilemmas generated by allowing the sale of organs, including:


26 posted on 05/11/2010 9:14:41 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: antiobamacare

Liberals can start with themselves.


27 posted on 05/11/2010 9:15:05 PM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! A true American is an armed American.)
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To: antiobamacare

If these people are so stuck on the idea of getting rid of people; maybe they should be first in line. Just to show their commitment.


28 posted on 05/11/2010 9:16:27 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: dfwgator

“Right to Die = Duty to Die”

Wasn’t that a Star Trek episode? Old and/or new?


29 posted on 05/11/2010 9:16:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (?)
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To: antiobamacare
It is indecent that 450 people die in Britain while waiting for an organ. People who are on life support or who are brain-dead are potentially a good source of organs...

Hell, why not just skip to the chase and proclaim that you and your body are not sovereign, and that the state, through Eminent Genomic Domain, may compel anyone, at any time, to forfeit vital and non vital organs.

Just say it and be done with it...

30 posted on 05/11/2010 9:35:04 PM PDT by csense
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To: TASMANIANRED
Then, we can start down the list of social scientists. The world will be a lot healthier when all the fiddlefarking ideologues get to spend 5 years living with their theories, before it is forced on the rest of society.

Example: Any straight guy who recommends abolishing DADT in the military gets to spend 5 years in a San Francisco bathhouse, inspecting each anus for damages. The gay boys spend 5 years as bathroom attendants in a woman's prison...

31 posted on 05/11/2010 9:43:17 PM PDT by jonascord (We've got the Constitution to protect us. Why should we worry?)
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To: antiobamacare

“...by euthanasing brain-dead or unconscious.”

snip

“Should we allow organ donation euthanasia? Alternatives for maximizing the number and quality of organs for transplantation”

Is it just me?....How does a brain-dead or unconscious person “donate”?


32 posted on 05/11/2010 10:04:29 PM PDT by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated public is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: antiobamacare

so, Larry was right all along.

what could be next, the A R M?


33 posted on 05/11/2010 11:09:01 PM PDT by ASOC (Things are not always as they appear, ask the dog chasing the car)
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To: antiobamacare
Meet the Death Panel


Julian Savulescu


Dominic.Wilkinson

Adopting their proposal would be a revolution in medical ethics, they acknowledge, as doctors have always been forbidden to kill patients.

But doctors now work for the state, not for their patients, so let's not hear any of that obsolete "primum non nocere" twaddle.

34 posted on 05/11/2010 11:33:48 PM PDT by TChad
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To: ASOC
so, Larry was right all along. what could be next, the A R M?

If you are referring to Larry Niven, I think next comes capital punishment for jaywalking.

35 posted on 05/11/2010 11:36:00 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Paleo Conservative
Why kill them first?

I was thinking the same thing. From an efficiency standpoint (and we're all for efficiency, aren't we?), the donation and the euthanasia could be one and the same procedure.

No, actually The Meaning of Life is not my absolute favorite movie.

36 posted on 05/11/2010 11:55:35 PM PDT by Erasmus (Looks like we're between a lithic outcropping and a region of low compressibility.)
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To: Trod Upon

That is a brilliant idea


37 posted on 05/12/2010 1:59:30 AM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: TChad

been awhile since i read one of that series, thanks


38 posted on 05/12/2010 7:51:45 AM PDT by ASOC (Things are not always as they appear, ask the dog chasing the car)
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To: MWestMom
"I'm just thrilled with the irony of the term “bioethicist”."

No kidding. Where are the ethics? They don't exist.

I was wrong to say "everyone." There were a lot of us who saw this coming from a longs way's off.

39 posted on 05/12/2010 11:32:05 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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