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Investigators: Obama using Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number
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Posted on 05/12/2010 4:24:22 AM PDT by cycle of discernment

Investigators: Obama using Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number

9:57 pm Eastern

Two private investigators working independently are asking why President Obama is using a Social Security number set aside for applicants in Connecticut while there is no record he ever had a mailing address in the state.

The investigators believe Obama needs to explain why he is using a Social Security number reserved for Connecticut applicants that was issued at a date later than he is known to have held employment.

The Social Security website confirms the first three numbers in his ID are reserved for applicants with Connecticut addresses, 040-049.

"Since 1973, Social Security numbers have been issued by our central office," the Social Security website explains. "The first three (3) digits of a person's social security number are determined by the ZIP code of the mailing address shown on the application for a social security number."

Daniels and Sampson each used a different database showing Obama is using a Social Security number beginning with 042.

"There is obviously a case of fraud going on here," Daniels maintained. "In 15 years of having a private investigator's license in Ohio, I've never seen the Social Security Administration make a mistake of issuing a Connecticut Social Security number to a person who lived in Hawaii. There is no family connection that would appear to explain the anomaly."

Does the Social Security Administration ever re-issue Social Security numbers?

"Never," Daniels said. "It's against the law for a person to have a re-issued or second Social Security number issued."

Daniels said she is "staking my reputation on a conclusion that Obama's use of this Social Security number is fraudulent."

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: certifigate; eligilbility; fraud; ineligible; obama
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To: Pollster1
Social security numbers are issued at birth - to those born in the United States.

Nope. Didn't get mine 'til I got my first job @ age 14. I'm only a few years older than 0.

51 posted on 05/12/2010 5:16:59 AM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: cycle of discernment
"It is a crime to use more than one Social Security number, and Barack Obama had to have a previous Social Security number to have worked at Baskin-Robbins," she insisted. "Under current law, a person is not permitted to use more than one Social Security number in a lifetime."

Several have said BO's SS# might have first been issued when he was in college, but the article mentions an assertion that he worked at a Baskin-Robbins in Hawaii as a teenager,.

52 posted on 05/12/2010 5:17:39 AM PDT by Will88
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To: conservativegramma

you are correct...


53 posted on 05/12/2010 5:17:54 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: dangus

SS numbers have only recently been issued at birth, relatively speaking.


54 posted on 05/12/2010 5:22:44 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
This Makiki neighborhood store claims he worked there during high school. It is a tourist trap. Baskin Robbins open stores starting in 1953.
55 posted on 05/12/2010 5:24:10 AM PDT by BushCountry ( I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparsion to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: cycle of discernment

Maybe CPUSA was headquartered in Connecticut, and they needed to take out a SSN for Obama when they first started to send him checks. He probably didn’t need a SSN before that. His earlier jobs were probably cash pay only.


56 posted on 05/12/2010 5:29:01 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Pollster1

Unless there has been some change in the last few years, Social Security numbers are NOT issued at birth. You have to apply for a Social Security number. Most of us did this as teenagers when we graduated from cutting grass or babysitting into a job that required our employer to withhold Social Security.


57 posted on 05/12/2010 5:36:01 AM PDT by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: dangus
re: social security number doesn’t conform to the article’s formula at all

Mine doesn't either, but the first three digits 264 indicate it was issued in Tampa. I think they've always used those three digits for that purpose, but changed the numbers at one time. Mine was issued in Tampa in 1958.

58 posted on 05/12/2010 5:37:29 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: rgboomers

He still shouldn’t have used 14 or more different numbers over the years! I say keep digging. Something is being hidden from us and I’m just obstinate enough for that to make me try harder, not give up.


59 posted on 05/12/2010 5:41:15 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: norwaypinesavage

Baskin Robbins pay cash only job?


60 posted on 05/12/2010 5:41:55 AM PDT by BushCountry ( I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparsion to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: jwparkerjr

We know he ran with the “foreign” crowd in college. I’m sure they hooked him up. He is quite the scam artist.


61 posted on 05/12/2010 5:45:11 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: BushCountry

To kids, in Hawaii, in the ‘70’s? They could have paid in surfboards and blow, then, especially to Obama.


62 posted on 05/12/2010 5:46:34 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Absolutely true. I remember going to the SS office with my father to get my card - age 16 - so I could get a part time job.


63 posted on 05/12/2010 5:47:18 AM PDT by Reagan69 (Let me know when those insurance premiums go down.)
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To: cycle of discernment
WorldNetDaily
64 posted on 05/12/2010 5:48:44 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: blau993
I got my SSN at age 17 for a job.

My first two kids, born 1980 and 1984, had to apply after Kemp-Roth in 1986 required SSNs for dependent exemptions. My other five kids had them issued at birth.

Issue at birth has been normal since 1990, at the latest.

65 posted on 05/12/2010 6:01:46 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Reagan69

There are an unbelievable amount of straw man raising their heads in this tread (I realize that you are being funny, so this response is not directed at you).

Birth Certificates were not issued at birth during the 70s.
Obama was not paid by check at Baskin Robbins.
Obama lied about working at Baskin Robbins.
Researchers are not competent.

It appears he has a SSN that was issued only in the state of CT for a time period before 1940. There is no reasonable explanation. Everything else is not germane to the topic at hand.


66 posted on 05/12/2010 6:06:20 AM PDT by BushCountry ( I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparsion to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: Scotswife

Where is everyone getting this idea that these numbers are “issued at birth?” I had to present my children’s birth certificates in order to obtain them, in a rather riduculous procedure. All of this was in the past ten years. What am I missing? Oh, wait, I am white, maybe that’s it?


67 posted on 05/12/2010 6:11:08 AM PDT by browniexyz
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To: Pollster1
Social security numbers are issued at birth - to those born in the United States.

That is not historically true. I remember getting my SSN in the 60's before getting a first teenage job. I had to apply for my kids' SSNs in the 80's. There was a change in tax law which said you couldn't claim dependents by name--they had to have a Social Security Number, so I applied for them.

68 posted on 05/12/2010 6:12:37 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: dangus

I was born in 1953 in Baltimore, Md to 2 American citizens. I didn’t get my social security number until I was 17 and ready to go to work. Social Security numbers being issued at birth was not always the case.

However, if this number was issued past the date of his holding a job it sounds like some type of fraud to me.


69 posted on 05/12/2010 6:14:40 AM PDT by Barb4Bush (God bless Glenn Beck!)
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To: cycle of discernment

“It’s against the law for a person to have a re-issued or second Social Security number issued.”

The 9-digit SSN allows for a maximum of 999,999,999 numbers. Given the current population is over 300,000,000, in the generations since the inception of SS we must have used over 600,000,000 SSNs, and a goodly proportion would have to begin with “000-”. Wonder how long it will be before we have to add some digits?

My grandpa always said his SSN was “1”.


70 posted on 05/12/2010 6:20:25 AM PDT by Ohio Hermit
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To: cycle of discernment

Dunham/Soetero/Obama is a foreign agent.


71 posted on 05/12/2010 6:22:08 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: tatsinfla

Correct, I was born in 1957 and didn’t apply for a SS# until I was 16 and applying for an after school job.

When my son was born in 1987, we had to get a SS# before we could claim him on our income tax. I went down to the SS office to apply for both my kids.


72 posted on 05/12/2010 6:25:27 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Professional Politicians are a Threat to the Republic! Remove them on 11-3-10!)
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To: dangus

SSN’s were not always issued at birth. Mine certainly wasn’t. I got mine when I was 17, so I could register for selective service. Obama is older than me, and it is very likely that he was not assigned one at birth.

I have read other stories that hinted that Obami’s mami played fast and loose with SSN’s...which wouldn’t surprise me a bit.


73 posted on 05/12/2010 6:26:44 AM PDT by lacrew (Barack Obama is always the least experienced most condescending guy in the room. (Rush))
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To: puppypusher

I never APPLIED for ssn...i just walked in and took the 1st one on the pad and my friend the next one....i was 14 this was in 1966...ks..... No one ever said I had to fill out any thing..we went to office @ lunch time from school....
Been using it ever since... maybe different procedures,
different parts of country?


74 posted on 05/12/2010 6:27:59 AM PDT by mag (All men have feet of Clay....))
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To: Ohio Hermit

Social Security issues about 5,500,000 new numbers a year. We are about half way there. It will be over 90 years or so before we have to worry about running out.


75 posted on 05/12/2010 6:28:18 AM PDT by BushCountry ( I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparsion to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: cycle of discernment

KHOW - Denver radio station.


76 posted on 05/12/2010 6:28:48 AM PDT by tips up
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To: cycle of discernment

aside from the fact that it’s a bit frightening that two private detectives were able to get hold of anybody’s Social Security number...let alone that of the POTUS...this is very interesting indeed!


77 posted on 05/12/2010 6:32:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cycle of discernment

I used to work in the child support enforcement agency of a certain blue state. I can confirm that the “code” indicating the state of residence when the SSN was issued was indeed used in the early 80’s. When/if that system changed I can’t tell you. I can confirm that assigning SSN’s changed from issuance when starting work to issuance at birth because both mothers & fathers, even though divorced, were claiming the same children on tax returns. The government decided the only way to stop that “double dipping” was to give SSN’s at birth.


78 posted on 05/12/2010 6:33:48 AM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (Psalm 121)
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To: mag

That’s damn funny.You must have lived in the country because I had to deal with some federal employees and they were
not very kind.


79 posted on 05/12/2010 6:46:18 AM PDT by puppypusher
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To: cycle of discernment
Plus you’ve been active since, what, May 7, here at FR?

Ugh - wrong.

dangus
Since Aug 5, 2003

80 posted on 05/12/2010 6:49:36 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: cycle of discernment

For what it’s worth, my SS # was issued in the mid 70’s, in CT, and does match the first three digits of Obama’s SS #.


81 posted on 05/12/2010 6:56:21 AM PDT by krogers58
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To: krogers58

Thanks, that is contrary to what is being reported and good info.


82 posted on 05/12/2010 6:57:34 AM PDT by BushCountry ( I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparsion to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: dangus

They weren’t issued at birth in 1961-or even in the 1970s-that’s for damned sure.


83 posted on 05/12/2010 6:58:21 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland ("See what you made me do?" Major Malik Hasan)
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To: Red Badger
Maybe he is an illegal alien.................

And stealing someone's ID to boot.

84 posted on 05/12/2010 6:58:38 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: TheCipher

hmmmmm


85 posted on 05/12/2010 7:01:47 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Man50D
This thing will eventually Blow Up big-time!
86 posted on 05/12/2010 7:01:54 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: txhurl

Did you see this?


87 posted on 05/12/2010 7:01:59 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: All
"Before 1986, people often did not have a Social Security number until the age of about 14, since they were used for income tracking purposes, and those under that age seldom had substantial income. In 1986, American taxation law was altered so that individuals over 5 years old without Social Security numbers could not be successfully claimed as dependents on tax returns; by 1990 the threshold was lowered to 1 year old, and was later abolished altogether. Since then, parents have often applied for Social Security numbers for their children soon after birth; today, it can be done on the application for a birth certificate."

Source.

88 posted on 05/12/2010 7:09:50 AM PDT by upchuck (If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- forever. "1984")
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

I didn’t get a SS# until I started to work (which in my case was a work/study program in high school - boarding school). I just checked one of the online calculators and sure enough, it shows that mine was issued in Missouri, which would be accurate.

Neither of my children had SS#s at birth, I applied for them later on for tax reasons. They match up also.

Both of my grandhildren were issued SS#s at birth.

In the days when the Social Security Administration issued batches of numbers manually to Social Security offices around the country there were a couple of mixups, but those mishaps are well known. I was writing code on a government project where the key was SS# and you made assumptions based on the first 3 digits. You were issued a list of mishaps, so you could code to cover those issues.


89 posted on 05/12/2010 7:15:59 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: jwparkerjr

Absolutely, keep digging.


90 posted on 05/12/2010 7:24:00 AM PDT by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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To: browniexyz

All I know is NY and PA. I had my oldest in PA and the rest in NY. The SS forms are filled out right there in the hospital.
The number shows up about a month after the birth.

My oldest was born in 1989.

However - I was born in PA and raised in NY. I didn’t receive a SS card until my father needed to get one for some reason - maybe for tax purposes.

I was too young to apply for any jobs when mine showed up.


91 posted on 05/12/2010 9:06:53 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Jim Noble
I stand corrected. Our only child is much older than your children and would already have had a card for work reasons by 1986.

I think I might have been 15 or 16 when I got mine. My wife and I are about the same age, and we both grew up in Philadelphia. My SS number starts with 175 and hers with 185, and the next two digits of each are the same. So clearly our numbers follow some pattern. I assume they would identify us (correctly) as having been issued our cards in Pennsylvania, and perhaps specifically in Philadelphia.

92 posted on 05/12/2010 9:42:54 AM PDT by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: BushCountry
It appears he has a SSN that was issued only in the state of CT for a time period before 1940. There is no reasonable explanation

Yes there is.

Every 60s and 70s radical had a copy of The Paper Chase, volume I which explained how to get a SSN from a dead person. TPC-I also explains how to concoct a fresh number consistent with your personal history, but, in that case, "Obama" would have forged a Hawaii number.

There is no question that the man calling himself "Barack Obama", or his associates, would have been very familiar with how to do this.

The question for investigators is, did "Obama's" number ever belong to anyone else?

93 posted on 05/12/2010 10:05:17 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble
The question for investigators is, did "Obama's" number ever belong to anyone else?

Had to unless Obama is over 100.

The article specifically states that the year 1890 is associated with the CT number. Since no S.S. numbers were issued in 1890 (it didn't exist yet); the only possible association would be a date of birth for the card holder.

BTW: This has been brought up previously, including Obama's other 33 different s.s. numbers he's used. About darned time this starts getting some news coverage!

94 posted on 05/12/2010 10:26:26 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma

Yes, if I remember my 70s alternate identities well, the SSDI may not be complete for persons who died right after SSNs were introduced. A “borrowed” SSN from somebody who died in the 1940s was bulletproof as of the 70s-80s. Don’t know about now.


95 posted on 05/12/2010 11:47:09 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Reagan69
KEEP DIGGING... KEEP DIGGING.

There is so much crap surrounding this Creep-in-Chief.

DO NOT STOP !

******

Obama's mother and grandparents were born in Kansas.

What are their Social Security numbers?

Do the first 3 numbers of their Social Security numbers correspond to the numbers issued to Kansas residents as we would expect? Thanks.

96 posted on 05/12/2010 11:51:57 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: dangus
Boy, SS fraud would be a delicious way of catching him in a birth-origin lie, but, uh, ,,,

Social security numbers are issued at birth. The article says that system of issuing SS numbers was instituted in the 1970s. I’m younger than Obama (by a good deal), but my social security number doesn’t conform to the article’s formula at all.

*****

I don't understand what you mean above. Could you please explain further? Thanks.

That is, what are the first 3 numbers of your Social Security number, and do they correspond to the state where you applied for your Social Security number? Thanks.

97 posted on 05/12/2010 11:56:32 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse

A quick overview of the SS numbering system...

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

Number Has Three Parts

The nine-digit SSN is composed of three parts:

The first set of three digits is called the Area Number
The second set of two digits is called the Group Number
The final set of four digits is the Serial Number
Area Number

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant’s mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Generally, numbers were assigned beginning in the northeast and moving westward. So people on the east coast have the lowest numbers and those on the west coast have the highest numbers.

Note: One should not make too much of the “geographical code.” It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.


98 posted on 05/12/2010 12:05:52 PM PDT by deport
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To: TheCipher
Here is the screenshot of the Selective Service record that shows he used that number.

*****

I'm sorry, but could you please explain further what the screenshot of Obama's selective service form has to do with this Social Security Connecticut number controversy? Thanks.

99 posted on 05/12/2010 12:18:16 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse

I wouldn’t tell you, especially over the internet, but I posted at #12 a link explaining this much better, and, yes, it does properly match my first three digits to my state. (Actually, it *is* the wrong state, but that’s because of the unusual circumstance of my birth... but it is the state that I might expect it to show.)


100 posted on 05/12/2010 12:43:15 PM PDT by dangus
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