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A question for birthers: why Mombassa?
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Posted on 05/12/2010 8:47:16 AM PDT by curiosity

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To: Windflier

Too funny when you see people like this.

They can’t rebutt the information.

It is irrefutable and they know it.


151 posted on 05/12/2010 10:13:54 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: ChurtleDawg
Too bad its a fake Certification of Live Birth!

Take a closer look at the fightthesmears birth certificate and zoom in on it. You will notice that the pixels around all wording on that document shows altering. It should be clean and crisp, but it is not.

There has been no effort by the Health department in Hawaii to legitimize that birth certificate. They state that they have seen the birth certificate on file, but they have not said that the posted internet birth certificate is legitimate!



Everyone has a long form - so what is the problem and why do you not care that this is a cover up? I'm not convinced that he is Natural born, but I also believe that to be natural born is to have to US citizen parents even if one was naturalized. This gives the child allegiance to only the United States. Barry has divided allegiance which disqualifies him for our highest office.
152 posted on 05/12/2010 10:17:07 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Vendome

This vanity is nothing more than a regular visit by a seminar caller.

I know a guy that has multiple accounts on multiple conservative websites and blogs all for the express intent of stirring the pot on the birther issue. He is an agitator. Every so often he throws a fit to get noticed. His senility carries him like Don Quixote lancing his windmills of delusion from pretend black ops to conspiracies to overthrow the US through the Tea Party Patriots. Not familiar with the names but his style of writing and fighting is unmistakable.

For all the talk of getting to the “bottom of the matter” the point remains that this is a vanity with the sole purpose of causing arguments within the conservative community that really don’t amount to much. Few outside the usual suspects care one wit. Truth is no one outside this thread really cares except we must endure the President, his wife, a leftist comedy hack writer, and a few operatives to stir up the birthers once in a while.

Non birthers cry not this shit again.

For all those leftist operatives sitting behind your monitors, calling radio hosts, blogging, and tweeting the fewer and fewer friends you have here’s the truth, your asses are out in 2010. We know you are scared to death. Better be. Your asses are out, birth certificate or no birth certificate.

I feel better.


153 posted on 05/12/2010 10:17:12 AM PDT by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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To: egannacht

there, there...


154 posted on 05/12/2010 10:19:47 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

Talk nice! The news just said Oklahoma may get slammed again as the the two fronts bump!

parsy, the concerned


155 posted on 05/12/2010 10:20:43 AM PDT by parsifal (I will be sent to an area where people are demanding free speech and I will not like it there. Orly.)
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To: Vendome

hold me


156 posted on 05/12/2010 10:20:59 AM PDT by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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To: curiosity
"This birther stuff is a dead end and a waste of time and energy."

That comment comes from an economist who wastes most of his time and energy on this subject.
157 posted on 05/12/2010 10:22:03 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: ColoCdn

“Call me crazy. But absurd, irrational beliefs like this are why economists are only slightly more trusted than fortunetellers.”

You would enjoy market ticker by Karl Denniger. He regularly translates the latest econo-babble into English.

parsy, who reads it daily


158 posted on 05/12/2010 10:22:42 AM PDT by parsifal (I will be sent to an area where people are demanding free speech and I will not like it there. Orly.)
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To: Safrguns

And didn’t he tell someone directly to his face

“Hey, Mombasa, that’s where I was born...” ??? (1979?)

Name?

Source?

Rather than from my memory I am asking for help ...


159 posted on 05/12/2010 10:22:57 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: curiosity

....A question for birthers: why Mombassa?.....

It is a seaport, easy to take a cheap cargo or passenger ship there.

Better question is as BIGLOOK put it why Kapi’olani?

“I’ve gone over this before many times. Yes, Kapi’olani Clinic for Women and Children has been around since the days of Queen Lilioukalani. It was a clinic for Hawaiians and later for plantation worker’s families to receive health care, gratis. It was and is a well intentioned, noble public health institution for the poor, but it was just clinic.

Kapi’olani Hospital wasn’t built until the ‘70s and opened sometime in the mid ‘70s, while I was attending the UH at Manoa.

Let’s look at it this way; it’s 1961, do you think Madelyn Dunham would drive her hapai daughter several blocks past Queen’s Hospital to give birth at a clinic? Besides, the clinic would just send her to Queen’s anyway. “

52 posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 5:08:06 PM by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)


160 posted on 05/12/2010 10:23:00 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: jcsjcm

you guys sound like the people on the web a few years ago arguing about how the WTC building 7 fell even though it wasn’t hit by a plane on 9-11 and how a plane wouldn’t cause a building to collapse like that...etc etc


161 posted on 05/12/2010 10:23:14 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: ColoCdn; curiosity; parsifal

Curiosity:

From your “about” page:
“let’s focus our energy on attacking him for legitimate reasons, like his attempted government takeover of health care, his borderline treasonous decision to try KSM in a civilian court, and his attempt to destroy our economy via cap and trade. These are real issues we can win on. The birther nonsense makes us look like nuts. “

One might define another as nuts to not support Cap and Trade. Is after all designed to reduce CO2 emissions and clean up the air. But isn’t it nuts to not want clean air?

Isn’t it nuts to not want healthcare for all?


162 posted on 05/12/2010 10:25:32 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
“Hey, Mombasa, that’s where I was born...” ??? (1979?) Name? Source? Rather than from my memory I am asking for help ...

That would be a great find.... especially if on video. We do however have Michelle Obama herself on video claiming Kenya as Barry's home country.
163 posted on 05/12/2010 10:25:59 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: parsifal

Really? Gotta make some calls


164 posted on 05/12/2010 10:26:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

” For a non story there sure is a lot of it being presented in the media these days. “

Anderson Cooper 360 had a screaming meltdown discussing “ birthers “ the other night with Lt Col Lakin and his attorney.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1005/10/acd.01.html

But, in the course of his hysteria-Cooper validated that there is an unreleased birth certificate .
COOPER: .......
The Republican governor of Hawaii sent someone to personally view the birth certificate at the Department of Health, and says it’s there.

COOPER: The governor of Hawaii, a Republican, has said — and I quote —
“I had my health doctor, who is a physician by background,
go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release.”

Later , Cooper asked Roland Martin this :
COOPER: ...

So, Roland, if there is — just to play devil’s advocate here on the birther’s argument, if there is a hard copy long-form birth certificate in the records department of Hawaii that the
— the governor, the Republican governor,
of Hawaii has said she sent her physician to see, why not release that?

ROLAND MARTIN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Because they still won’t be satisfied.

The take away from Cooper’s hissy fit is that he, Roland Martin and Lakin’s attorney all agree
that there is a sealed birth certificate held by Hawaii.
However, Cooper , Martin and the other CNN panelists feel that the American people are stupid and conspiracy minded , so there’s no point in releasing it.


165 posted on 05/12/2010 10:29:51 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Vendome

Vendy! You’re a provocateur!

parsy, who is not one to go around stirring up trouble.


166 posted on 05/12/2010 10:30:04 AM PDT by parsifal (I will be sent to an area where people are demanding free speech and I will not like it there. Orly.)
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To: phxdan
I thought the story Obama told is that his mother flew to Hawaii from Kenya, just days before his birth.

Link?

Isn’t that the “party line”?

Which party would that be?

167 posted on 05/12/2010 10:31:10 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Nahanni

Most importantly, why was it so important to Barack Obama to hide any and all documentation about him that one of his very first executive orders was to seal all of his records?


For you enlightment here is a link to the EO 13489. You may wish to take a look at it’s content.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf


168 posted on 05/12/2010 10:32:56 AM PDT by deport
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To: ChurtleDawg
you guys sound like the people on the web a few years ago arguing about how the WTC building 7 fell even though it wasn’t hit by a plane on 9-11 and how a plane wouldn’t cause a building to collapse like that...etc etc

Well that was way off topic!

Why no comment on what was stated and published? Everyone just wants the facts and the fact is everything is sealed. Seems very strange. Even his kindergarten records went missing and his was the only records that disappeared. Why?
169 posted on 05/12/2010 10:36:57 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: curiosity
From your about page:

I'm an economist who specializes in the financial markets.

In addition, I'm very interested in immigration and trade issues.

Recently I've become somewhat obcessed with debunking birthers. Not sure why, but I find it somewhat addictive.


This gives me comfort in my recent decision to get out of the stock markets.

If you were serious about debunking birthers, you would be demanding to see the documents proving his eligibility as well... unless of course you are simply defending Obama for personal reasons.

Wow... October 2004... you been lurking here for a while.
170 posted on 05/12/2010 10:37:43 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: MHGinTN
K ... the state of HI says Sun Yat Sin was born there also.

Nope. The TERRITORY did so in 1916, 45 years before Obama was born, and 43 years before Hawaii became a state.

Only in birther fantasy land would a fraud committed against the TERROTORY of Hawaii in 1916 impugn the integrity of the STATE of Hawaii's records generated in 1961.

171 posted on 05/12/2010 10:38:29 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Anthropological Phenomenon? Actually you are not very curious, please change your screen name.

Or at least use your innate curiosity to discovery what “Natural Born Citizen” means.

Use your curiosity to determine if she was old enough to pass on citizenship at the time of his birth (hint: Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time of Obama’s birth, and thereby barred - by U.S. Immigration law - from passing U.S. citizenship to her child).

Use your curiosity to discover that the statement of relating to his birth that was made by the Hawaii Official was rebutted by her boss (hint: at NO time do Hawaii state officials confirm that Obama was actually born in Hawaii).

Use your curiosity to discover why Obama has only proffered a discredited 2007 computer-generated, unsigned, “Certification of Live Birth” that is a forgery.

Use your curiosity and earn the name Mr. Curiosity. ;^)


172 posted on 05/12/2010 10:42:51 AM PDT by BushCountry ( I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparsion to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: Safrguns
Why ask such a stupid question like “Why Mombasso?” when the more relevant question of “Why not release the long form” is not even addressed?

Because they are getting paid to do so and have spent long hours crafting items like this designed to divert the weak minded.

173 posted on 05/12/2010 10:43:10 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: curiosity

Maybe you need to ask Roland the Thompson Gunner ...


174 posted on 05/12/2010 10:47:23 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: ChurtleDawg
Nice try. This is just a rehash of the statement that she has "seen" the vital records that no one else is being allowed to see. It is not an explicit statement that the so-called COLB was issued by the state, nor does it say at whose request.

175 posted on 05/12/2010 10:47:48 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: curiosity
Financially impossible? In Barack's own words his mother states that they would return to Kenya - here is an excerpt from his own book (although still debating whether his own words, but whatever).



So, from these words I would say that yes they were able to afford to go to Kenya around his birth time.
176 posted on 05/12/2010 10:50:27 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009; RaceBannon

FReeper RaceBannon. I’m sure you can find the thread(s).


177 posted on 05/12/2010 10:53:42 AM PDT by melancholy
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To: Chi-townChief

I hear he really lost his head.


178 posted on 05/12/2010 10:54:13 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: curiosity
Only in birther fantasy land would a fraud committed against the TERROTORY of Hawaii in 1916 impugn the integrity of the STATE of Hawaii's records generated in 1961.

Only in after-birther fantasy would a fraud committed in 1961 be more difficult because the Territory was now a State. What laws were changed? How did Sun Yat Sen get his Hawaiian BC? With lying witnesses, just like someone could do in 1961.

179 posted on 05/12/2010 10:56:29 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: curiosity

Quote from book:

Your father wrote back saying he was going ahead with it. Then you were born and we agreed that the three of us would return to Kenya after he finished his studies. But your grandfather Hussien was still writing to your father threatening to have his student visa revoked.

End Quote

Now if Baracks father was writing to his mother and she knew that Hussein grandfather was writing to Baracks father??? Where was mother? Living in Kenya with Hussein the grandfather..... Otherwise they both would have been in Hawaii - but if both were in Hawaii, then why was Barack Sr. writing to Stanley???? Hmmmmm.... Interesting!

Seems to me that Stanley Ann was in Kenya with grandfather and had baby. Barack Sr. was in Hawaii deciding that he was going to Harvard and that they would return to Kenya after his studies. Any thoughts on this one?


180 posted on 05/12/2010 10:58:12 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: parsifal

My buddy in Prague said the storm “kinda” missed them, but that they’re going to be without power for two weeks!


181 posted on 05/12/2010 10:59:59 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: rolling_stone
It is a seaport, easy to take a cheap cargo or passenger ship there.

LOL. So now the birther myth has a 7 month pregnant woman travelling from Hawaii to Mombassa by ship? What on earth for?

Better question is as BIGLOOK put it why Kapi’olani?

Probably because Kapiolani was a facility specializing in maternity. From their website:

"his is the story of two hospitals: Kauikeolani Children's Hospital and Kapi‘olani Maternity Home."

"Concerned about the welfare of Hawaii's mothers, Queen Kapi‘olani held luau and bazaars to raise the $8,000 needed to open Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1890. She endowed her legacy with 'Kulia i ka nu‘u' or 'Strive for the highest.'"

http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

Let’s look at it this way; it’s 1961, do you think Madelyn Dunham would drive her hapai daughter several blocks past Queen’s Hospital to give birth at a clinic? Besides, the clinic would just send her to Queen’s anyway.

Nonsense. Lots of women gave bith at Kapiolani at that time. Haven't you seen the famous Nordyke twins birth certificates?

182 posted on 05/12/2010 11:02:19 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: parsifal

I know and I feel like swinging for the bleachers today.


183 posted on 05/12/2010 11:03:46 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: curiosity
Maybe Michelle can give you your answer.

Some of the comments are pretty funny.

184 posted on 05/12/2010 11:03:53 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: deport

Pretty broad ain’t it?


185 posted on 05/12/2010 11:05:59 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: jcsjcm
Now if Baracks father was writing to his mother and she knew that Hussein grandfather was writing to Baracks father??? Where was mother? Living in Kenya with Hussein the grandfather..... Otherwise they both would have been in Hawaii

This isn't complicated. Barack Sr.'s parents are in Kenya. Barack Sr. is in Hawaii with Stanley. Barack Sr. is corresponding via mail with his parents in Kenya, writing and receiving letters from them, and he's verbally reporting to Stanley what is in those letters.

but if both were in Hawaii, then why was Barack Sr. writing to Stanley????

He wasn't. Nothing in the text indicates he was. What makes you think he was?

186 posted on 05/12/2010 11:07:35 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
Nonsense. Lots of women gave bith at Kapiolani at that time. Haven't you seen the famous Nordyke twins birth certificates?

Yes as a matter of fact we have seen the Nordyke twins birth certificates - both of them. So, the question is........ Where is BO's???? He can't state that they didn't give them out back then.
187 posted on 05/12/2010 11:07:50 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Vendome

Yep.... Kinda brings it back to the orginal Reagan EO and reduces the contraints incorporated in the Bush 43 EO.


188 posted on 05/12/2010 11:08:41 AM PDT by deport
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To: jcsjcm

The Mau Mau would have saved the USA, who knew? LOL!


189 posted on 05/12/2010 11:09:11 AM PDT by melancholy
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To: Peter Libra

” Patrick Hitler, who was a nephew of Adolf Hitler “

I seem to recall a Hill Street Blues episode that had a comic named Nick Hiltler.


190 posted on 05/12/2010 11:09:11 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Safrguns; curiosity

And doesn’t that knife cut both ways.

You cannot prove he is legitimate without proof and Barry would need to show both the Hawaii BC and the one he has sentimental attachment to and mused about finding, upon his mother’s death in 1995.

Let’s see if they match....


191 posted on 05/12/2010 11:09:20 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: jcsjcm

Too bad its a fake Certification of Live Birth!

Take a closer look at the fightthesmears birth certificate and zoom in on it. You will notice that the pixels around all wording on that document shows altering. It should be clean and crisp, but it is not.

There has been no effort by the Health department in Hawaii to legitimize that birth certificate. They state that they have seen the birth certificate on file, but they have not said that the posted internet birth certificate is legitimate!
Everyone has a long form - so what is the problem and why do you not care that this is a cover up? I’m not convinced that he is Natural born, but I also believe that to be natural born is to have to US citizen parents even if one was naturalized. This gives the child allegiance to only the United States. Barry has divided allegiance which disqualifies him for our highest office.


If Obama’s internet posted COLB is fraudulent, altered or forged, ANY prosecuting attorney in the nation could convene a Grand Jury investigation into whether that document was used to get Obama on the ballot in any of the 50 states or the District of Columbia.

With a Grand Jury investigation, Obama’s original birth records could be subpoenaed. Hawaii statutes allow for the release of vital records without the permission of the person named on the record to: “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;”

The fact that no prosecuting attorney (District Attorney, US Attorney or state Attorney General) in the nation has ever convened a Grand Jury investigation is telling to me.

I believe that the reason that no one has investigated forgery, fraud or tampering is because of the definitive statement verifying Obama’s birth record by officials of the state of Hawaii: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”—July 27, 2009.


192 posted on 05/12/2010 11:10:42 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: UCANSEE2; Safrguns; curiosity

Does the job come with benefits? Health insurance, government/company provided vehicle, etc...?


193 posted on 05/12/2010 11:11:29 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: jcsjcm
So, from these words I would say that yes they were able to afford to go to Kenya around his birth time.

They were planning on going back AFTER Barack Sr. FINISHED HIS STUDIES. At that point, he'd have a job lined up in the Kenyan government, who would most likely foot the tab for his relocation.

Who would foot the bill, the equivalent of one year's average Hawaiian's salary, to go back while they are STUDENTS? A furniture salesmen (Stanely's father)? A bank teller (her mother)? Barack's relatives, tribal Africans show live in grass huts?

Get real.

194 posted on 05/12/2010 11:12:01 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

She wrote: Your father wrote back.... Then you were born... Sounds to me that she is speaking to Barack II otherwise she would have said your grandfather wrote back.

That’s how I read it!


195 posted on 05/12/2010 11:12:51 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Vendome
You cannot prove he is legitimate without proof

The official vital records of the state of Hawaii are sufficient proof in any court of law, and before any Fedearl agency.

196 posted on 05/12/2010 11:13:07 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: jcsjcm
Your father wrote back.... Then you were born... Sounds to me that she is speaking to Barack II otherwise she would have said your grandfather wrote back. That’s how I read it!

You read it incorrectly. Yes, she's speaking to Jr., but she's saying Barack Sr. wrote back to his father (Bambi's grandpa), telling him he's going ahead with his plans to marry Stanley, despite the Barack Sr.'s father's objections.

This isn't complicated.

197 posted on 05/12/2010 11:15:28 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: jamese777

No standing.


198 posted on 05/12/2010 11:15:30 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: rolling_stone
Only in after-birther fantasy would a fraud committed in 1961 be more difficult because the Territory was now a State. What laws were changed? How did Sun Yat Sen get his Hawaiian BC? With lying witnesses, just like someone could do in 1961.

The big difference is that Sun Yat Sen had a motive. Stanley Ann didn't.

199 posted on 05/12/2010 11:18:19 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: SvenMagnussen

What’s your take on it?


200 posted on 05/12/2010 11:19:12 AM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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