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A question for birthers: why Mombassa?
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Posted on 05/12/2010 8:47:16 AM PDT by curiosity

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To: ChurtleDawg

You are confusing Citizenship with Natural Born Citizen. Even though all of the COLB posted on the web have been proven fake (wrong address and issued number sequence).

But assuming they are not, what has been shown on the web, no way proves he is a Natural Born Citizen as defined by the Constitution.

She wasn’t of age (had to be over 19 by law) at the time and the father is not listed on any document shown. If the father had duel citizenship (this is a distinct possibility), Obama doesn’t qualify to be President.

But there are host of other questions, did he use foreign student aid in college? What nationality was listed on his passport? Why does he have a CT SNN Number? He claimed he wasn’t a US citizen in Indonesia, the list goes on and on...

But I will shut up if you can show me conclusive proof of the hospital, doctor and who his parents were on any official document.


51 posted on 05/12/2010 9:14:37 AM PDT by BushCountry ( I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparsion to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: darkangel82

He’s a red diaper doper baby. What more needs to be known?


52 posted on 05/12/2010 9:14:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: curiosity

We dont know where he was born, we didnt make this story up

We just know they story he gives does not make sense and the ‘birth certificate’ is fake.

Andhe has spend over a million dollars keeping the real one from being seen, and the governor of Hawaii has personally been involved to lock it away.

You dont need to come up with complext stories about how it could not have hapened in Mombassa- or anyplace else- just show us the birth certificate.

Or ANY evidence of any of his life. School transcripts, passport, college thesis (or anyone who remembers him from college) where did he get money to go to college...

This is a manchurian candidate if I ever saw one.


53 posted on 05/12/2010 9:14:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: curiosity

I’m not an obstetrician or a midwife, dork.


54 posted on 05/12/2010 9:14:55 AM PDT by Ceebass
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To: Ceebass

LOL


55 posted on 05/12/2010 9:16:36 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: curiosity

You would have to ask his mother, or grandmother.


56 posted on 05/12/2010 9:16:55 AM PDT by NathanR (,)
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To: ChurtleDawg
It was not considered an official Hawaiian document before BO became president. They did not recognize this paper for verifying status. Only the long form was proof positive. The rules were changed after he became president and we all watched it happen.

There are many Freepers that saved the old rules and then saved the new rules since laws keep changing based on this man. Do you believe that this man was born in Hawaii? Hawaii has never been reliable!



He was soon sent home to China as his brother was becoming afraid that Sun Yat-sen was about to embrace Christianity, but he returned to Hawaii at least twice, in 1900 and 1901.[6] In March 1904, he obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,[7] issued by the Territory of Hawaii, stating he was born on November 24, 1870 in Kula, Maui[8]
57 posted on 05/12/2010 9:17:23 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: ChurtleDawg
complete nonsense. The COLB is an official Hawaii document that is completely adequate for all legal proof of birth questions

Weak rebuttal. How 'bout dismantling Vendome's logic and reasoning with some of your own?

If you can.

58 posted on 05/12/2010 9:18:33 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: curiosity

Why Mombasa?

It’s easier for Birfers to put into limericks than Kanyadhiang?

There once was a guy from Mombasa
Whose past was a tabula rasa.
When him and his spouse
Made it to the White House,
Birfers said “Me casa NOT su casa!”

parsy, who needed that


59 posted on 05/12/2010 9:18:45 AM PDT by parsifal
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To: curiosity

How’s this for an answer to your stupid question...

As I’m sure you know, many confirmed FAKE birth certificates have been floating around since day 1 of this issue, INCLUDING Obama’s COLB he put up on his web site.

However, much of the information obtained from the Mombasa certificate lines up with other verifiable facts SUCH AS the name of the doctor (attending physician) and where/when he was practicing at the time.

We now know more about the Kenyan doctor who signed that birth certificate than we do about Obama himself.

Quite simply, Mombasa is the most credible piece of evidence we have so far... including a foot print that could easily be verified or debunked.
If you think that certificate is forged, why would someone include the footprint, knowing it would be the easiest way of debunking it?


60 posted on 05/12/2010 9:18:54 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: curiosity

I heard he was also half white.


61 posted on 05/12/2010 9:20:27 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: ChurtleDawg
complete nonsense. The COLB is an official Hawaii document

COLB Meaning? "Certification of Live Birth" or "Certificate of Live Birth"? There is a major difference.

Regardless of the snow jobs, this is a very serious issue.

62 posted on 05/12/2010 9:21:03 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: longfellow

Barry denies or suppresses that. Is he...half white? /S


63 posted on 05/12/2010 9:21:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: IrishCatholic

“Numerous states have now passed laws to require that certificate to be placed on the ballot.” ......... Which states? Links? I have heard that a few are considering such laws, but none that have passed.


64 posted on 05/12/2010 9:21:50 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Vendome

Wrong about what?


65 posted on 05/12/2010 9:22:59 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Safrguns

It is actually crapable evidence of the most craptastic nature and I forget who that moron was that invented the Mombassa.


66 posted on 05/12/2010 9:23:05 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Nothing more.


67 posted on 05/12/2010 9:23:46 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: parsifal
LOL! Parsy, what would you do for fun if Obama spoiled it all by releasing his pile of hidden records tomorrow?

68 posted on 05/12/2010 9:23:54 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: ChurtleDawg

The COLB does not say where he was born, only that h was born (poretty obviou)

Go look at your birth certificate- it has your mother and fathar and the hospital and place


69 posted on 05/12/2010 9:24:18 AM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: curiosity
Don't be so smug.

There are legitimate questions and the jury is still out.

70 posted on 05/12/2010 9:25:17 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: curiosity
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71 posted on 05/12/2010 9:25:34 AM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Vendome

The white race refuses to take any credit for that. it was tough enough taking credit for klinton.


72 posted on 05/12/2010 9:26:38 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Windflier; ChurtleDawg
He is a chery picking Simian.  He has the misfortune of possessing an intellect as deep as a dry shallow creek.
 
ChurtleDawg: 
 
I cannot believe the timing of this!
 
These guys are having a sale on kneepads
and you can really save some money
 
Click the pic to see if they suit you.
 
They even come in Red!
 

73 posted on 05/12/2010 9:26:49 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: curiosity

I find it curious that you would flame an entire group of FReepers and then just ignore the numerous questions that have been directed to you.

And, in case doctor obvious hasn’t visited yet, the point of the requests for a copy of his LONG version birth certificate isn’t for the birth certificate!!

It’s to gain entrance to all the information that THE ONE has spent 2 million dollars on to keep hidden from the public.

Apparently, being a shill for non-transparency has temporarily addled your otherwise fine economist’s mind.


74 posted on 05/12/2010 9:26:54 AM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Be careful lumping people into one large pile. There are a lot of folks who want to know more about his birth certificate who don’t necessarily maintain he was born in Kenya, nor do they have any specific theories at all. They just want to know what is on the original birth certificate that he is hiding. In fact I’d say the group you are criticizing here is an extremely small subset of those who are often disparagingly referred to as “birthers.”

My sentiments exactly. Why not just show respect for the country by releasing the long form and be done with it? Why waste the courts' time and pay lawyers to fight this for years?

Even Obama sycophants like Andrew Sullivan agreed months ago that he needs to release the long form.

75 posted on 05/12/2010 9:27:30 AM PDT by freespirited (There are a lot of bad Republicans but there are no good Democrats.--Ann Coulter)
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To: USNBandit

Oops, sorry meant to have my post to axed. My mistake.


76 posted on 05/12/2010 9:27:36 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: curiosity
You might read this FR Post: Barack Obama Sighting, Hawaii 1980.

This wasn't the first time I heard Mombasa mentioned, but it sure seemed like strong support to me. Be sure to read the initial post, following the link to see everything, and then begin reading the replies maybe with #15 and #17. If you are really interested in this I think you'll wish there were more than 335 replies.

ML/NJ

77 posted on 05/12/2010 9:28:38 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: parsifal

LOL

Pretty good for a guy that doesn’t care for this stuff.

So you survived those storms the other day huh?

Mom and sister said they were braced for the worst and then mysteriously, it split in two and bypassed Tulsa.


78 posted on 05/12/2010 9:29:49 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: shooter223

Arizona & Oklahoma, but they have not yet been signed into law. Only passed in house.

See:

“Another state considers Arizona eligibility plan”

Georgia lawmaker says when Congress won’t act, ‘states have a duty to step up’

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=144909

Several other states have had proposed laws introduced.


79 posted on 05/12/2010 9:30:22 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: mojitojoe

LOL


80 posted on 05/12/2010 9:30:30 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: longfellow

Wan’t Clinton our first post racial President?


81 posted on 05/12/2010 9:31:02 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: longfellow

Damn typo’s.....


82 posted on 05/12/2010 9:31:19 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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83 posted on 05/12/2010 9:31:37 AM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ColoCdn; curiosity

He probably cooks the books.


84 posted on 05/12/2010 9:32:24 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Mr. K
A real BC is a treasure trove of interesting genealogical data. Mine has my mother and father's birthplaces, my father's occupation, my birth weight, number of living siblings, length of pregnancy, the date and result of my mother's test for syphilis, even the drug the doctor gave my mother to prevent ophthalmia neonatorum. And of course, the hospital and the signature of the doctor.

85 posted on 05/12/2010 9:32:43 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Vendome

Thats what i heard, i thought that killed all chances for a black president.


86 posted on 05/12/2010 9:35:01 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: jcsjcm

it says on the COLB itself that it is a legally binding document. read it.


87 posted on 05/12/2010 9:35:18 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: curiosity

i have no idea where he was born. this would be the point of pushing for the long form. no speculation required. just the same demand they placed on john mccain.

another question popped up recently.

in the documentation for the cases being brought so far... 0bama has been using a social security number... issued in connecticut. why? that isn’t right. he never lived in connecticut during those years.

looks like identity theft.. which begs the next question...

who the hell is this guy?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=152773


88 posted on 05/12/2010 9:35:35 AM PDT by sten
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To: ChurtleDawg

The mind that alters -

Alters all......


89 posted on 05/12/2010 9:37:36 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: shooter223

My mistake. I remembered it wrong. Arizona has the bill passed in the House and many other states including Missouri have it proposed.
It was the bill that had been passed, not a law yet.


90 posted on 05/12/2010 9:37:47 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Windflier

it is hard to argue with people who have a list of made up “facts”.


91 posted on 05/12/2010 9:38:15 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: ChurtleDawg

You’re a liar. Show us the evidence that the state of Hawaii has stated even once that the images on the Internet are valid Hawaiian CoLB documents. In fact, HI authorty has stated just the opposite, that they cannot determine what the exhibits are.


92 posted on 05/12/2010 9:38:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: curiosity

The real question is why are the 9/11 ‘Truthers’ continue to get a pass, even support, from the State Run Media when their “evidence” can’t even stand the slightest scrutiny.

They ridicule your so-called ‘birthers’ but support the idiots that think President Bush was behind 9/11.

THAT is the answer to your question.


93 posted on 05/12/2010 9:39:31 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Everyone needs valid ID except illegal aliens and the President - only in America)
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To: ChurtleDawg
The COLB is an official Hawaii document that is completely adequate for all legal proof of birth questions (it even says so on it!). The state of Hawaii has repeatedly said that it is legit.

So if we just accept the COLB as real you'll be happy, even though the COLB shows Obama isn't a Natural Born Citizen?

94 posted on 05/12/2010 9:39:45 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Genoa

“LOL! Parsy, what would you do for fun if Obama spoiled it all by releasing his pile of hidden records tomorrow?”

Watch in eager anticipation as Dr. Polarik decided the Hawaiian Long Form was a forgery, while most of the “Kenyan Born” Birfers changed denominations, got re-baptized in the “Not an NBC” Birfer Church, and received Red Letter editions of Vattel.

parsy, who thinks Birferism has become a matter of faith, complete with evidence of things not seen


95 posted on 05/12/2010 9:39:51 AM PDT by parsifal (I will be sent to an area where people are demanding free speech and I will not like it there. Orly.)
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To: ChurtleDawg
We don't know where that image came from. No one has stated that they obtained it from the State of Hawaii (only Obama could have), and Hawaii has refused to confirm that it was issued by them. It might be fake. And even if it were real and legally binding, it still doesn't explain the alleged president's failure to release his original BC and a pile of other hidden records.

96 posted on 05/12/2010 9:40:13 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Vendome
For births abroad for one alien and one USC parent. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Secton 301(g)INA, assuming the parents were married. If they weren't then the requirements are even less. I don't know what happens if the Mother isn't 19 by the time she gives birth.

97 posted on 05/12/2010 9:40:31 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Vendome

yes. I am a “chery” picking simian. But at least I am not obsessing over an issue that has virtually no merit and no chance of overthrowing the presidency.


98 posted on 05/12/2010 9:40:38 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: curiosity

Wow, your level of ignorance on the subject is astounding, considering it is an “interest of yours”...


99 posted on 05/12/2010 9:41:20 AM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: Genoa

Hawaiian officials have repeatedly said it is legit. Over and over and over


100 posted on 05/12/2010 9:41:34 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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