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Hold fire, earn a medal (USMC Medal for NOT shooting???)
Marine Corps Times | 5/12/2010 | William H. McMichael

Posted on 05/12/2010 11:10:50 AM PDT by markomalley

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They are going to award a medal to Marines for not attacking??????

I am so glad I am retired (from the AF, but still, geez....)

1 posted on 05/12/2010 11:10:50 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

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2 posted on 05/12/2010 11:14:21 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: markomalley
What a travesty! Chesty must be spinning in his grave!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
3 posted on 05/12/2010 11:15:33 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: markomalley

I didn’t even join the Marines. Does this mean I get a Congressional Medal of Honor?

good grief.


4 posted on 05/12/2010 11:17:28 AM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: markomalley

Old news...and erroneous.


5 posted on 05/12/2010 11:17:33 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies - Obongo must go!)
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To: markomalley

This is not a USMC medal. The whole thing was the idea of a British general.


6 posted on 05/12/2010 11:19:30 AM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: ConorMacNessa

Unfortunately, many will receive posthumously.


7 posted on 05/12/2010 11:19:57 AM PDT by NavyCaptain
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To: markomalley
I have absolutely no first-hand experience in this matter.

However, I'd argue that a shoot / don't shoot situation must be a pretty hard decision to make.

Not hard enough, however, to get a medal for. Courage under fire is one thing, "Making a tough decision" is a whole other one, and what training is for.

Next, medals will be handed out for showing up on time, dressing properly, playing well with others.....

8 posted on 05/12/2010 11:21:19 AM PDT by wbill
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To: markomalley

They call it “Courageous Restraint”


9 posted on 05/12/2010 11:25:38 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: markomalley

Do you also receive a medal if you shoot yourself in the foot?

Podiatrist Purple Heart?


10 posted on 05/12/2010 11:26:27 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: markomalley

And a good Marine would decline to accept, even if it meant a court marshal.


11 posted on 05/12/2010 11:27:18 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("MOLON LABE")
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To: ConorMacNessa

My dad, Army, must be spinning in his jar.


12 posted on 05/12/2010 11:27:43 AM PDT by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve and neither do I)
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To: wbill
Next, medals will be handed out for showing up on time, dressing properly, playing well with others.....

It's called a Good Conduct Medal.

13 posted on 05/12/2010 11:31:24 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: markomalley
Like kids' soccer (or SEIU) when everyone gets a trophy, regardless of participation or performance.


14 posted on 05/12/2010 11:32:02 AM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: fightinbluhen51
even if it meant a court marshal(sic)

martial

15 posted on 05/12/2010 11:32:40 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: markomalley

I wouldn’t brag if I were you. I heard the AF wants to give Bronze Stars to UAV pilots.


16 posted on 05/12/2010 11:34:04 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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To: markomalley
(USMC Medal for NOT shooting???)

Erroneous, bravo sierra, editorial comment on your part.

17 posted on 05/12/2010 11:34:45 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: markomalley

I agree with Rush the only way this medal is meaningful is posthumous. Otherwise, it will generate a whole new category of civilians saved and how easy it is to get the medal. We can now recruit among the Amish, given, they can get a medal for not fighting, they need to do something to justify that exemption from ZerOcare.


18 posted on 05/12/2010 11:35:20 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (2012, the end of our long national nightmare.)
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To: markomalley

Ya....it’s called a Purple Heart!

I was a Nuke Weapons Specialist, do I get one for not firing?

“I’d really like the medal, but.....ah shucks....You got your key?....I got mine! What’s the code?”


19 posted on 05/12/2010 11:36:49 AM PDT by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred

2,000 grades raised at Chicago Public Schools’ Hyde Park Academy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2468036/posts

in Obamaland, everyone gets a medal.


20 posted on 05/12/2010 11:41:34 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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I wouldn’t brag if I were you. I heard the AF wants to give Bronze Stars to UAV pilots.

UAV pilots or their Second Life avatars???

21 posted on 05/12/2010 11:41:41 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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They are going to award a medal to Marines for not attacking??????

No doubt such metals will be awarded posthumously.

22 posted on 05/12/2010 11:46:19 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (VIVA LOS 1070)
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To: Lurker

Point taken.


23 posted on 05/12/2010 11:50:52 AM PDT by wbill
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To: markomalley

What percentage will wind up being given postumously do you think?


24 posted on 05/12/2010 11:52:42 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: markomalley

hold fire and cause your buddy’s death.

these people are walking around in a daze.


25 posted on 05/12/2010 11:59:08 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: OCCASparky

I wouldn’t brag if I were you. I heard the AF wants to give Bronze Stars to UAV pilots.

I served on a promotion board recently, and there were a bunch of Bronze Stars awarded for, best I can tell, being in the AOR and maybe going outside the wire occasionally. My dad’s got a real one, along with multiple DFCs and Air Medals, and I’m ashamed to tell him what they’re given out for these days.

Colonel, USAFR


26 posted on 05/12/2010 11:59:41 AM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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To: markomalley

Up is down and down is up.


27 posted on 05/12/2010 12:00:02 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (?)
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To: RexBeach
Do you also receive a medal if you shoot yourself in the foot?

No, only for fragging your own arse with rice grains plus assorted minor scratches barely requiring a bandaid. Plus you get a cushy job in the Senate.

28 posted on 05/12/2010 12:03:01 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The real death threat is their legislation" Rush Limbaugh, 3/25/10)
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To: NonValueAdded

Oh, I see. You’re referring to the Genghis Khan Medal for Meritorious Plundering and Aggressive Stupidity!


29 posted on 05/12/2010 12:13:42 PM PDT by RexBeach
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To: markomalley
Air Force commander, British Commander and some other non-combatant. Well they're trying their best to destroy the combat mentality in the Armed Forces. So we have a successful snatch and grab, then 3 SEALs get taken out of action by lawyers. Marines take a casualty and successfully repulse an ambush then get blamed for civilian deaths.

Any special operator, Marine or service member fighting in a FAO is now subject to the PC rules of engagement. Good luck with that. We should just pack it in and report to the nearest mosque for indoctrination, humping goats and beating women.

30 posted on 05/12/2010 12:18:03 PM PDT by erman (Vote Republican or vote for the traitor's party- your choice.)
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To: markomalley
Future MOH winners for the AF Predator program

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31 posted on 05/12/2010 12:21:07 PM PDT by erman (Vote Republican or vote for the traitor's party- your choice.)
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“I’d really like the medal, but.....ah shucks....You got your key?....I got mine! What’s the code?”

Actually you can go on line and apply for the Cold War Certificate. That is all you get. I never applied for mine as I thought it was degrading and condescending.

32 posted on 05/12/2010 12:25:51 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: markomalley

If they want “restraint” they should hire and train police officers.

If it is really SO important to NOT kill people in Afghanistan, then we should bring our troops home.


33 posted on 05/12/2010 12:46:36 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: erman

Why’d you have to go and post something like that?

Now I’m NEVER going to get all the vomit out of my keyboard...


34 posted on 05/12/2010 12:51:59 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: OCCASparky

Not all Bronze Stars are for bravery. They are also awarded for meritorious service. A V device indicates it was awarded for valor.


35 posted on 05/12/2010 12:55:04 PM PDT by csmusaret (Remember, half the people in this country are below average)
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To: csmusaret; OCCASparky; jagusafr

I’d say that killing terrorists from a UAV is pretty “meritorious.” A Bronze Star (no V) might be in order for UAV pilots who showing extraordinary competence in finding and killing terrorists.


36 posted on 05/12/2010 1:10:07 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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"I served on a promotion board recently, and there were a bunch of Bronze Stars awarded for, best I can tell, being in the AOR and maybe going outside the wire occasionally."

What documentation in the file led you to this conclusion?

37 posted on 05/12/2010 1:20:57 PM PDT by verity (Obama Lies - Obongo must go!)
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To: Little Ray

Me too, but that often calls for a slightly lesser award-the Meritorious Service Award.


38 posted on 05/12/2010 1:22:14 PM PDT by csmusaret (Remember, half the people in this country are below average)
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To: jagusafr
I served on a promotion board recently, and there were a bunch of Bronze Stars awarded for, best I can tell, being in the AOR and maybe going outside the wire occasionally. My dad’s got a real one, along with multiple DFCs and Air Medals, and I’m ashamed to tell him what they’re given out for these days.

I remember after Desert Storm, Bronze Stars were given to literally everybody assigned to CENTAF HQ.

So there's nothing new under the sun.

39 posted on 05/12/2010 1:24:56 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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Next, medals will be handed out for showing up on time, dressing properly, playing well with others.....

You must be thinking of the AF.

Sorry mark, the old grunt in me just couldn't resist.

40 posted on 05/12/2010 2:02:28 PM PDT by 11Bush
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Sorry mark, the old grunt in me just couldn't resist.

Hey, I have always said that there are those of us who were intended to be in the military...and then there were those of us intended to be in the Air Force.

And, with the exception of combat controllers and PJs, I think those lines are pretty clear.

41 posted on 05/12/2010 2:13:50 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: jagusafr

I simply cannot think of where this info would be reflected on the ORB or contained within the OMPF. Can you help me with this?


42 posted on 05/12/2010 3:05:11 PM PDT by verity (Obama Lies - Obongo must go!)
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To: verity

Without going into detail (prohibited), the citations to accompany awards are in the promotion folder.

Colonel, USAFR


43 posted on 05/12/2010 8:44:18 PM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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To: verity

See my last, and the OPRs are often written in a way that telegraphs what was actually done. Probably why they have senior officers on the boards: we’ve been there, done that and can read the t-shirt.

Colonel, USAFR


44 posted on 05/12/2010 8:46:28 PM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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To: csmusaret

There are plenty of other awards for meritorious service which are not tied to combat awards, such as the MSM, Defense Distinguished Service Medal, Legion of Merit, etc. I’m kinda old fashioned, I guess, but I think the Bronze Star should be like the Silver Star—combat action only, that way there’s no “V” device for confusion.


45 posted on 05/13/2010 6:25:04 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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Next, medals will be handed out for showing up on time, dressing properly, playing well with others.....

They have those--they're called the Good Conduct Medal.
46 posted on 05/13/2010 6:25:58 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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To: markomalley

This will have the opposite of the intended effect. Marines will become trigger happy for fear they will be put up for this medal.


47 posted on 05/13/2010 6:45:38 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: jagusafr
Thanks.

My experience was w/US Army 26 years ago. The ORB differentiated between valor [BSM-V] and meritorious achievement [BSM].

Very true about senior officers: the trained eye could spot the disconnect between OER boiler plate narrative and the evaluation numbers.

48 posted on 05/13/2010 7:01:29 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies - Obongo must go!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

haha, yeah, that’s what I meant. Thanks.


49 posted on 05/13/2010 7:22:28 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("MOLON LABE")
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To: markomalley

http://thebutter-cutter.com/The_Butter-Cutter_s_LATEST.php


50 posted on 05/13/2010 8:24:17 AM PDT by gunnyg (We Are Surrounded By The Enemy Within--If Ya Can Grok That! ~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...)
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