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How did such a draconian anti-immigration bill pass in a state where the pop. is 30% Hispanic?
The American Prospect ^ | 051310 | Gabriel Arana

Posted on 05/13/2010 8:14:56 AM PDT by Fred

Nogales, Arizona's largest city on the Mexican border, is situated about 70 miles south of Tucson, along a desert valley spotted with Spanish-era missions. Home to 20,000 people, 97 percent of whom are Hispanic, one would expect the city to be ground zero for impassioned demonstrations against SB 1070, the controversial immigration-enforcement law signed by Gov. Jan Brewer three weeks ago. But for the largely immigrant community here, the prevailing sentiment is one of resignation -- and fear for those relatives and friends who are here illegally.

"My friends and I used to go out to eat on Sundays, but now you're afraid of just going out on the street," says Maria, an undocumented immigrant who has worked as a housekeeper for over 20 years. (Maria asked her name be changed to protect her identity.) "But that's the law here, what's there to do?"

Critics claim that the SB 1070 -- which criminalizes undocumented presence in the state and requires police to question those suspected of being here illegally -- will lead to racial profiling of anyone who looks Hispanic. The law has been denounced by civil-rights activists across the country. Opposition has been mounting within the state as well: the Tucson and Flagstaff city councils recently pledged to sue over the new law and various businesses have expressed concerns that a boycott will affect tourism.

(Excerpt) Read more at prospect.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; arizona; brewer; illegal; immigration; laraza; maldef; sb1070

1 posted on 05/13/2010 8:14:56 AM PDT by Fred
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To: Fred

>> “...now you’re afraid of just going out on the street,” says Maria, an undocumented immigrant

It appears to be working.

But I agree, it’s really a hugh and series mathematical mystery how a law like that got passed in a state where only 70% of the populus isn’t Hispanic... ;-)


2 posted on 05/13/2010 8:17:26 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Fred

Wouldn’t Mexicans want to implement immigration similar to that in force in Mexico?


3 posted on 05/13/2010 8:17:27 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Fred
undocumented worker

no illegal immigrant breaking the law

4 posted on 05/13/2010 8:17:35 AM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Fred
"My friends and I used to go out to eat on Sundays, but now you're afraid of just going out on the street," says Maria, an undocumented immigrant

so ...

GO BACK HOME, YA DUMB BROAD!!!!

5 posted on 05/13/2010 8:17:53 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Fred

Funny when I tested equipment at Yuma Proving Ground the legal Mexican Americans were the ones most pissed off at the illegals. Seems their families employment prospects and pay were heavily impacted. A good number like to tell you how their families had been in AZ before AZ was a territory. Don’t know the breakdown percentage wise, but am pretty sure they are alot of Mexican Americans who support the anti-illegal flood.


6 posted on 05/13/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Fred

Draconian? Really? Oh, no, dear me, people have to produce identification upon being asked! It’s not like perfectly and obviously legal people like me ever have to show anyone my ID. What is this, Nazi Russia?

“’My friends and I used to go out to eat on Sundays, but now you’re afraid of just going out on the street,’ says Maria, an undocumented immigrant”

Good. I think that’s the whole point. To scare people that are breaking the law. It’s called—and I know this is an arcane legal term, but stick with me—”deterrence.”


7 posted on 05/13/2010 8:19:06 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Fred
How did such a draconian anti-immigration bill pass in a state where the pop. is 30% Hispanic?

How about three simple reasons.
(1) 70% aren't Hispanic and you only need 51%. (2) Many Hispanics who immigrated to the US legally are in favor of throwing out the illegals. (3) Illegal immigrants can't vote. So even if 30% of the total population are Hispanic, a considerably smaller amount of legal immigrants can vote and as pointed out in item 2 not all of them are pro illegal immigrants.
8 posted on 05/13/2010 8:20:22 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Fred

Massive fail. The liberal author just doesn’t understand why illegals aren’t counted among voters or proportionatley represented in the legislature. Moron.


9 posted on 05/13/2010 8:21:47 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Been in the US for 20 FRIGGIN YEARS and did not bother to become a citizen???? This proves that those that do not become citizens will NEVER become citizens no matter what crappy program gets rolled out by the pols....

People like this want to stay in the underground economy so they can avoid any type of payroll taxes.


10 posted on 05/13/2010 8:22:34 AM PDT by Fred (Vote for a REID FREE NEVADA....)
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To: Fred

I would suggest that all the people that don’t like Arizona’s law, go live on the border for a month. Just a month and then tell us you don’t like the law.........if you live through it.

For those illegal Mexicans that say the United States stole California from Mexico.....read your own history. Maxmillian sold California to the United States for a few million dollars. If California went back to Mexico, which you left because you didn’t like it, it would turn into the Mexican slum you just left. For all the Mexicans that came to the United States legally, learned English, went to school, got jobs here, pay their taxes.........welcome. For the illegals, go home. I really don’t care what happens to you. I along with millions of other Americans have had it with you and your gangs of slum lords.


11 posted on 05/13/2010 8:24:19 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Fred

Don’t you just love “undocumented immigrant”? Can you say “euphemism”, boys and girls? ‘Cause “illegal” just sounds, well, bad.


12 posted on 05/13/2010 8:25:30 AM PDT by greatplains
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To: Fred

No person should be allowed to immigrate unless they also intend to ASSIMILATE.
They should take an oath upon entry to this effect,
and if found to be not working towards that goal,
deported.


13 posted on 05/13/2010 8:26:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: RC2

Well said, and it is long overdue, time for American taxpayer to quit subsidizing the farming and hospitality industries by covering all these hidden costs for illegals to be in the US...


14 posted on 05/13/2010 8:28:54 AM PDT by Fred (Vote for a REID FREE NEVADA....)
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To: Tublecane

“Draconian” http://quizilla.teennick.com/user_images/I/IN/INU/inuotaku/1129670872_rakiesmirk.jpg


15 posted on 05/13/2010 8:29:57 AM PDT by tumblindice (wound my beeber with monotonous stuning)
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To: MrB

That is exactly what a person had to do when they became a citizen of Tejas (Texas) when Mexico owned and controlled it. That was the only way one could own land in the territory of Tejas.

They also had to convert to Catholicism.


16 posted on 05/13/2010 8:31:10 AM PDT by Fred (Vote for a REID FREE NEVADA....)
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To: Fred
How did such a draconian anti-immigration bill pass in a state where the pop. is 30% Hispanic?

Because it isn't "draconian"?

What did I win?

17 posted on 05/13/2010 8:31:47 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Fred

‘Cause “Hispanic” doesn’t mean “illegal alien” or “illegal alien sympathizer.” Plenty of “Hispanics” are lawful American Citizens who dislike illegal immigration and effects. They’re no different from any other American Citizen - 85% of which want to eliminate illegal immigration.

Except, of course, in the minds of Commie-Pinko tribalists.


18 posted on 05/13/2010 8:33:24 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Fred

because LEGAL immigrants oppose ILLEGAL immigration.

I have yet to meet someone who came to this country legally and in favor of CRIMINAL entry into the USA.


19 posted on 05/13/2010 8:33:43 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Fred
the Tucson and Flagstaff city councils recently pledged to sue over the new law and various businesses have expressed concerns that a boycott will affect tourism.

Little do they know that Arizona may become the new American hotspot for those of us needing some time among our own.

20 posted on 05/13/2010 8:38:46 AM PDT by alexandria ("If this be treason, make the most of it!" Patrick Henry)
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To: Fred
1. Many of those "Hispanics" are illegal.

2. Hispanics in AZ have traditionally had the lowest rate of turnout of any voters in the state (lower than that of American Indians).

3. Many AZ-born Hispanics are either for the measure, or on the fence (pun intended) about it.

It should be pointed out, however, that Hispanic children comprise the majority of public school students in Arizona (I believe the same is true for Nevada).

21 posted on 05/13/2010 8:39:48 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Fred

Rev Manning has hit the nail on the head with this.....http://la-gun.com/manning/


22 posted on 05/13/2010 8:40:19 AM PDT by RC2
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
Funny when I tested equipment at Yuma Proving Ground the legal Mexican Americans were the ones most pissed off at the illegals. Seems their families employment prospects and pay were heavily impacted. A good number like to tell you how their families had been in AZ before AZ was a territory. Don’t know the breakdown percentage wise, but am pretty sure they are alot of Mexican Americans who support the anti-illegal flood.

It's the same here in Phoenix. There are Americans of hispanic heritage who have lost their businesses due to illegals. Many of them hate illegals with a passion.

23 posted on 05/13/2010 8:41:27 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Illegal is not a race, it is a crime)
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To: Fred

Golly, makes you wonder how they feel about Mexico’s truely draconian laws.

This is nothing.

It is ALSO nothing that I do not have to do as an American Citizen. I am asked immediately to produce ID at a traffic stop. Why should brown skinned people get off easier than I do? What makes THEM so special? Their HERITAGE? Isn’t that RACIST??

Exactly.

To all illegal immigrants, LEAVE. Get here legally and you are welcome! Under any other circumstances, GET THE HELL OUT, you have no right to be here, in fact YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL. Now GTFO.


24 posted on 05/13/2010 8:47:11 AM PDT by Danae (Don't like the Constitution, try living in a country with out one.)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
.... the legal Mexican Americans were the ones most pissed off at the illegals. Seems their families employment prospects and pay were heavily impacted.

The legal immigrants and those of Hispanic heritage are still PO'ed at the illegal immigrants. I work with both, and they cannot stand the flood into their neighborhoods with all the junk cars and trash.

That and loss of employment opportunities are the main reasons they are against the illegal immigration. They fully support the AZ law and would love to see Texas do the same.

25 posted on 05/13/2010 8:47:29 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: Fred


How did such a draconian anti-immigration bill pass in a state
where the pop. is 30% Hispanic?

Legal Americans of Hispanic origin aren’t monolithic.

Some don’t relish the idea of putting up with the criminal antics when
their relatives invade Arizona.

In other words, they have the smarts to know that when some illegals arrive:
“there goes the neighborhood”.


26 posted on 05/13/2010 8:49:54 AM PDT by VOA
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

I believe that is true of Hispanic immigrants in general. They are definitely impacted by the illegals and not happy about it. Some of the 30% quoted in this article would line up with the bold Governor.


27 posted on 05/13/2010 8:57:53 AM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: Albion Wilde

In Germany, you could be an immigrant. Or an immigrant’s grandson. You still cannot vote.

I like that.


28 posted on 05/13/2010 8:59:01 AM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: Clemenza

Nogales has turned into a pit. It was bad 20 years ago and is far worse now.

The writer is saying that in a couple decades we could be like California and that is something to strive for? California is a mess in the illegal immigrant areas; crime ridden and filthy. That’s something to be proud of. /s


29 posted on 05/13/2010 9:00:31 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: Fred

Maybe... just maybe... some of the LEGAL Hispanics, who work hard and follow the rules to become citizens, actually LIKE the idea of keeping border jumpers out.


30 posted on 05/13/2010 9:01:41 AM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: machogirl

The big difference between CA and AZ is that, in addition to the illegal alien problem, native-born Cali voters tend to have the something for nothing mentality (ie in love with extensive services and state jobs, but voting against the taxes to pay for them). It’s basically New Jersey on steroids with a much bigger illegal alien problem.


31 posted on 05/13/2010 9:05:47 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: greatplains
Don’t you just love “undocumented immigrant”?

Freelance pharmacist->drug dealer.

32 posted on 05/13/2010 9:46:57 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Nervous Tick

She has been here for 20 years & she still hasn’t attempted to become legal?

So much for Rleanor Clift’s statement on this topic.


33 posted on 05/13/2010 10:51:28 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Nervous Tick

She has been here for 20 years & she still hasn’t attempted to become legal?

So much for Eleanor Clift’s statement on this topic.


34 posted on 05/13/2010 10:51:38 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: GonzoGOP

(3) Illegal immigrants can’t vote. “”

That little fact didn’t stop ACORN in Las Vegas during rhe run up to the Nov 2008 elections.


35 posted on 05/13/2010 10:53:17 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Fred

It’s not an “anti-immigration” bill, it’s an anti ILLEGAL immigration bill.


36 posted on 05/13/2010 10:55:32 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Albion Wilde
The liberal author just doesn’t understand why illegals aren’t counted among voters or proportionatley represented in the legislature.

But if they filled out a census form, they are counted. (There was nothing requiring the respondent to be an American Citizen, nor did the Census Bureau ask!)

I'm from a State with only one Representative in the House, and with a low population of illegals, and I'm mad that we'll be even less represented (proportionally speaking) in D.C. than the puke we have in there now.

37 posted on 05/13/2010 11:00:33 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: meyer
It’s not an “anti-immigration” bill, it’s an anti ILLEGAL immigration ALIEN bill.
38 posted on 05/13/2010 11:38:31 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Paladin2

Is Gabriel that clueless that he doesn’t know what kinds of restrictions Mexico places on immigrants?


39 posted on 05/13/2010 11:41:23 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


40 posted on 05/13/2010 12:10:45 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: Clemenza

i have family that live in cali. i was shocked at how much they earn.


41 posted on 05/13/2010 1:24:12 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: MrB
No person should be allowed to immigrate unless they also intend to ASSIMILATE.


Would make a great tagline or bumper sticker:

No immigration
without assimilation!

42 posted on 05/14/2010 3:04:41 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I agree with your post. The lack of representation proportionately in the legislature that the moron author was talking about was that if the state has 30% hispanics, then 30% of the legislators should be hispanic. Pure racism.


43 posted on 05/14/2010 3:09:52 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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