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USSR planned nuclear attack on China in 1969
The Telegraph ^ | 5/13/2010 | Andrew Osborn in Moscow and Peter Foster in Beijing

Posted on 05/13/2010 3:30:13 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

The Soviet Union was on the brink of launching a nuclear attack against China in 1969 and only backed down after the US told Moscow such a move would start World War Three, according to a Chinese historian.

The extraordinary assertion, made in a publication sanctioned by China's ruling Communist Party, suggests that the world came perilously close to nuclear war just seven years after the Cuban missile crisis.


Richard Nixon in Moscow with Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev in 1974

Liu Chenshan, the author of a series of articles that chronicle the five times China has faced a nuclear threat since 1949, wrote that the most serious threat came in 1969 at the height of a bitter border dispute between Moscow and Beijing that left more than one thousand people dead on both sides.

He said Soviet diplomats warned Washington of Moscow's plans "to wipe out the Chinese threat and get rid of this modern adventurer," with a nuclear strike, asking the US to remain neutral.

But, he says, Washington told Moscow the United States would not stand idly by but launch its own nuclear attack against the Soviet Union if it attacked China, loosing nuclear missiles at 130 Soviet cities. The threat worked, he added, and made Moscow think twice, while forcing the two countries to regulate their border dispute at the negotiating table.

He quotes Soviet ministers and diplomats at the time to bolster his claim.

On 15 October 1969, he quotes Soviet premier Alexei Kosygin as telling Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev that Washington has drawn up "detailed plans" for a nuclear war against the USSR if it attacked China.

"[The United States] has clearly indicated that China's interests are closely related to theirs and they have mapped out detailed plans for nuclear

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KEYWORDS: china; godsgravesglyphs; nixon; nuke; soviet; ussr

1 posted on 05/13/2010 3:30:13 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman
Only Nixon could go to China.

/johnny

2 posted on 05/13/2010 3:32:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bruinbirdman
China probably owes us more than any other nation. We kept it from being divvied up by Europeans in the 19th century, we saved it from the Japanese and we kept them from being nuked by the Soviets.
3 posted on 05/13/2010 3:33:09 PM PDT by Tribune7 (It is immoral to claim the tea parties to be racist)
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To: JRandomFreeper

No Wonder they let Nixon into China...

They must have known about this


4 posted on 05/13/2010 3:34:27 PM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: bruinbirdman

5 posted on 05/13/2010 3:37:20 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: bruinbirdman

Remember when the president was a man? I wonder how things would turn out today.


6 posted on 05/13/2010 3:38:45 PM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: bruinbirdman

I call BS, too many places this does not fit.


7 posted on 05/13/2010 3:40:59 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Wasn't a Tactical Nuke used in '69? Or was that 1970?

It has been mentioned in several threads over the years.

8 posted on 05/13/2010 3:41:13 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, you know chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Just Google “Yalu River.”


9 posted on 05/13/2010 3:45:53 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: bruinbirdman

I referred to this incident in a post years ago and was attacked by some know it all freeper as an an idiot.

Wish I could remember his name. I’d ping the guy, I tell ya’.


10 posted on 05/13/2010 3:47:40 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: buccaneer81
We should have let MacArthur have his way with them. He wanted to launch an invasion of China directly with National Chinese out of Taiwan.

Which might have been a bluff, but I bet it would have gotten the ChiCom's to back down out of Korea at the very least.

11 posted on 05/13/2010 3:50:23 PM PDT by delapaz
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Thanks bruinbirdman.

This story came out via a different source, sometime around 1980, possibly shortly after Breschnev kicked off. He invited Nixon to participate in a preemptive nuclear strike on China, to eliminate the threat of a nuke-equipped power which wasn't part of the Test Ban Treaty or Non-Proliferation. Nixon declined the offer, and was chilled when the Soviet leader suggested the USSR was going to go ahead and do it anyway.

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12 posted on 05/13/2010 3:52:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: delapaz
We should have let MacArthur have his way with them.

Absolutely. And Curtis LeMay should have been allowed to knock off North Vietnam. Real Americans don't fight wars based on re-election polls.

13 posted on 05/13/2010 3:57:23 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
In all likelihood, had MacArthur had his way, we wouldn't have had a Soviet bloc Eastern Europe, Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, Chinese entanglement in the US economy, and a troublesome North Korea right now.

Ah, what could have been......

14 posted on 05/13/2010 4:01:52 PM PDT by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: SunkenCiv
"This story came out via a different source, sometime around 1980,"

Did that story have a ChiCom confirmation?

yitbos

15 posted on 05/13/2010 4:08:19 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman

USSR planned nuclear attack on China in 1969 but shelved the idea because Ping Ping was still in the Moscow Zoo


16 posted on 05/13/2010 4:13:44 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: edpc

If we could only go back and change it all...


17 posted on 05/13/2010 4:14:30 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Only Nixon could go to China.

Vulcan philosophy.

18 posted on 05/13/2010 4:16:34 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
Actually, it was one of the newsweeklies back in the '70s. You know, back before they were all socialist mouthpieces.

/johnny

19 posted on 05/13/2010 4:19:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL! Now we know what the screenplay writers were reading ;-)


20 posted on 05/13/2010 4:21:26 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: bruinbirdman

Back when we had men like Richard Nixon as President. I can’t imagine Carter, Clinton or Obama doing that.


21 posted on 05/13/2010 4:21:39 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: bruinbirdman

A very bad mistake,should have let the Russians nuke them.


22 posted on 05/13/2010 4:37:35 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Navy Patriot
This has been reported before by US sources. The description of this episode by the Chinese is likely intended for their domestic public as part of a more open discussion of nuclear security issues from the Chinese national perspective.

Being widely despised by the Chinese people for corruption and lack of democracy and rule of law, and with economic performance faltering, the communist regime must inevitably emphasize nationalistic themes as a basis of legitimacy. The depiction of foreigners as dangerous and untrustworthy is a long established element of Chinese nationalism.

23 posted on 05/13/2010 4:45:32 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: bruinbirdman

It wouldn’t have turned into World War 3. We should have let the USSR do it. China wouldn’t be what it is today and the Soviet Union would have been badly wounded as well.


24 posted on 05/13/2010 4:50:55 PM PDT by MissesBush (Stay angry--right through November)
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To: bruinbirdman

Is Tricky Dick flashing gang signage at Leonid B?


25 posted on 05/13/2010 4:51:30 PM PDT by rahbert (Only a poor snake charmer blames his snake..)
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To: ASA Vet; BIGLOOK; LonePalm

Dang, I sure missed some inresting intel, er stuff, after I became a full time civilian.


26 posted on 05/13/2010 5:01:59 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: bruinbirdman

ping


27 posted on 05/13/2010 5:07:50 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Tribune7
As someone who has lost a job to Chinese outsourcing (I personally trained 3 Chinese engineers to do my job) I have a few words to say about this.

Not to mention the fact that they have literally stolen most of American industry's intellectual property such as the integrated circuit, personal and super computers, and all kinds of RF\communications technology.

Additionally, their (communist) spies have stolen our rocket technology which cost hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars to develop and other military technologies such as the W-80 nuclear warhead, stealth technology, and many others.

Now they say we OWE them almost a TRILLION dollars.

I say we send them a big fat bill and slam the door shut on their prison labor produced goods.

28 posted on 05/13/2010 5:10:01 PM PDT by just-have-faith-in-God
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To: buccaneer81
There is NO WAY Richard Nixon was by ANY means a Conservative as the lib-tards want us all to think.

Not only did he open trade with communist China, he took the Dollar off the Gold standard.

Now his Grandson (another globalist) thinks that he can slither into our government because of his name?!?!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i64Yhb0y27o-nDRcsgfesrHMR8BwD9FL1ODG0

Don't we have enough problems with the legacy of Kennedy, Clinton, and Bush political thought ingrained in our government?!

I say HELL NO! We are on the brink with all of this global crap!

29 posted on 05/13/2010 5:10:01 PM PDT by just-have-faith-in-God
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To: Rockingham
I should have been more clear.

I do not dispute the USSR considered and planned a nuclear strike on China, I dispute Nixon threatening a US retaliatory strike.

Your analysis of current Chinese communist motivation is highly likely to be spot on. There is little new in the Chicom political playbook.

30 posted on 05/13/2010 5:13:40 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: just-have-faith-in-God

The Nixon name means as much as the Taft name.


31 posted on 05/13/2010 5:15:00 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I’m having another of those November Charlie moments.


32 posted on 05/13/2010 5:20:01 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: just-have-faith-in-God
There is NO WAY Richard Nixon was by ANY means a Conservative

No kidding. Wage and price controls did it for me.

33 posted on 05/13/2010 5:32:27 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: edpc
In all likelihood, had MacArthur had his way, we wouldn't have had a Soviet bloc Eastern Europe, Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, Chinese entanglement in the US economy, and a troublesome North Korea right now.

So you let a commander who twice, through gross incompentence, was egregiously surprised, start running U.S. foreign policy?

First, his air force in the Phillipines gets destroyed on the ground TEN HOURS AFTER PEARL HARBOR.

Second, despite numerous warnings and intelligence about Chinese infiltration into North Korea, his forces are completely surprised and in several cases almost surrounded and annihilated when they do attack?

Most overrated general in U.S. military history.

34 posted on 05/13/2010 5:50:34 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: just-have-faith-in-God
I say we send them a big fat bill and slam the door shut on their prison labor produced goods.

I'll go for that!

35 posted on 05/13/2010 6:50:12 PM PDT by Tribune7 (It is immoral to claim the tea parties to be racist)
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To: Navy Patriot
The Sino-Soviet border war was no secret at the time. It is plausible that the Soviets would consider a 'decisive solution' at the time, for China was relatively very weak, with a nascent nuclear program but no real deterrent power. It would have been an ideal time for the USSR to establish continental hegemony across the entire Eurasian landmass once and for all.

Nixon was the man with enough foreign policy savvy to realize that a fullblown war between the two Asian behemoths would be a worldwide catastrophe. This is why the Chinese had great respect for Nixon, despite his antipathy to communism.

36 posted on 05/13/2010 7:11:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: TypeZoNegative
You need to educate yourself a little bit regarding Richard Nixon. Your comment betrays ignorance.
37 posted on 05/13/2010 7:17:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Strategerist

Hey made some good photo ops though wading in the the ocean like that. And you have to give him credit for his campaign to re-take the Pacific and the landing at Incheon.


38 posted on 05/14/2010 12:19:33 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Tribune7
China probably owes us more than any other nation. We kept it from being divvied up by Europeans in the 19th century, we saved it from the Japanese and we kept them from being nuked by the Soviets.

Reminds me of the fable of a frog saving a scorpion. To be honest, the US will one day be the winner of the 'Darwin Award of the Year.' Guaranteed. The nation just tries so very hard to qualify (e.g. the China escapades, Pakistan, etc), and one day its luck will run out.

39 posted on 05/14/2010 1:56:44 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Tribune7

Traitors in the FDR and Truman administrations handed China over to Mao.


40 posted on 05/14/2010 2:03:44 AM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: hinckley buzzard

What part of “I am not a crook” didn’t you hear?


41 posted on 05/14/2010 5:03:12 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I got taught this twenty years past (American sources), save for the threat of US nuc lear threats. At the time, the analysis was that the US were tempted but too smart to stand by and watch the Sovs destroy China. In a three way conflict, you always assist or prevent the destruction of the weakest member. Had the Sovs been allowed to take out China then:

A - The US would have been partners (albeit through inaction) in a bloody crime, because I doubt the Sovs could have done it without a few nukes in civilian zones and millions dead

and

B - The USSR would have had the luxury of not having to be nervous about their horrendously long land border with China, or with China’s influence over the international communist groups. That would have simplified Soviet strategic needs greatly, to the detriment of the west.

China and the US had nothing in common politically save distrust of the Soviets, but without China the Sovs would have been a much more credible threat. Even though China never matched Russia remotely in terms of strngth, they had the North Korean factor - e.g. the Russians were never sure what that crazy old bastard Mao would do, so they had to be given either careful treatment or all-out treatment.


42 posted on 05/14/2010 8:08:09 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Re: #36,

All true.

However, Nixon did not offer to blow the USSR off the face of the Earth to solve the problem.

He was much more skilled, he offered Détente, and the deal was excellent from the USSR's point of view.

By 1972 he had SALT I in place and SALT II in the works, and the pressure between the USSR and China dialed down to manageable levels.

This was a real achievement considering the ongoing Vietnam war.

Nixon had courage as others have pointed out, however he was about as far from a warmonger as one could get, and not a reckless man.

43 posted on 05/14/2010 9:09:18 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Androcles
Re: #42,

Good points.

It should have been easy to predict communists fighting among themselves from history.

The Bolshevik theft of the Revolution and Lenin's pursuit of the victims of that theft. Hitler's (the communist's) usurpation of the communist plot to take Germany. The two way double cross between Hitler and Stalin.

So Nixon could have easily seen the USSR's problem coming, and the seriousness of it.

Nixon might well have seen the Cultural Revolution coming as well, and knew all he had to do was buy time till the USSR perceived less threat from a decaying China, the careful treatment.

44 posted on 05/14/2010 9:35:07 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: bruinbirdman

One more reason to hate Nixon, he should’ve let them do it.


45 posted on 05/14/2010 3:19:55 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: bruinbirdman

:’)


46 posted on 05/15/2010 10:36:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

“One more reason to hate Nixon, he should’ve let them do it.”

And that would be the worst mistake American could’ve ever made. Russia and China are the 2 dominant powers of Eurasia. It is in our interest to keep Eurasia divided.

In 1970, Russia could’ve conceivably annihilated all military opposition in China with about 50 strategic nukes and taken over the entire East Asian Mainland largely intact.

Now imagine a fully industrialized USSR that controls 90% of Eurasia, with the combined natural resources of Russia and the human resources of China.

Such an empire would have 5X our population, 5X our natural resources, and be within 5 years of our military tech curve. We might well have lost the cold war if that had happened.


47 posted on 05/15/2010 5:59:42 PM PDT by artaxerces
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