Posted on 05/13/2010 3:46:01 PM PDT by theanchoragedailyruse
Not having seen the video or looked into this very much, I really had no idea one way or the other. I was just trying to think as they might in a situation like this: plant a false clue that can then be later discredited.
If there was an easier way to kill him, without a conspiracy. let me know.
Otherwise, blaming pilot error and bad weather the cause of the accident seems a no-brainer.
However, two things happened.
One, this video was released via the internet and the other was the leaked voice recording on the internet, that shows the pilot giving his readback (that indicates that Russian ATC gave him a visibility of 8km and haze with a baro of 744mm Hg).
Russia has nothing to disprove these facts or prove the pilot errored in his understanding.
Nothing...Other than it was a hoax and parts of the black box were damaged.
It does prove there were shots fired. The question is why?
And the videographer could shed light on that question.
With this video and in today’s media frenzy, this guy would have been either publicly humiliated or lauded.
But no one in the media has spoken to him, let alone the Polish authorities and that is a problem.
Understand — This video and the videographer have some answers to questions.
The Russians have done their damndest to dispute this video by calling it a hoax.
On face value without drawing any conclusions, this video raises alot of questions and the Russians don’t like that.
Visibility was 7km.
Thanks. I'll take a look.
I believe the police were firing shots to scare off the witnesses. They didn’t want people rummaging through the wreckage and that’s understandable. If it happened in the US though the police wouldn’t be firing shots but they would be keeping the bystanders away. This is Russia though
I thought the guy who took the video was murdered, or that’s the story I heard
On the ones that were returned, yes, they could tell. But you still have the ones that were not returned.
If the plane comes down on it’s belly there’s a better chance for survivors but in this crash the plane lost one of it’s wings so it probably flipped and went nose first
I would say that could very well be.
But there are voices in Polish and that could be either Polish press or ????
The Polish press that were there waiting for the president’s plane to arrive have not spoken about this video nor hearing gunshots.
And the Russians didn’t secure the site for the entire investigation. That is one issue that has Poles angry.
It was found that people were going through the crash site and finding passports and other items.
And as you say this is Russia we are talking about.
You mean you can't think of an easier way to kill someone than shooting a President's plane out of the sky as they make a publicized visit to Russia. You can't be serious.
“You mean you can’t think of an easier way to kill someone than shooting a President’s plane out of the sky as they make a publicized visit to Russia. You can’t be serious. “
You should be made aware that there was more than just the president on that plane, and it is quite possible the concentration of senior officials was part of the motivation for the event in the first place. There is no way to take out so many top officials in the pole govt individually without some PR problems. Here, the main issue is the initial information control after the crash, which russia handled well. Most of what russia reported, which created a strong impression of total polish fault/multiple landing attempts/bad weather, has been directly contradicted by the black boxes, as I understand it. This was the first landing attempt, and the plane was using exact landing info given by ATC (I don’t speak polish (do you?) but this is what is transcripted.)
BUT, we are over a month down the line. Initial spin control is everything - surely you know this, having had a chance to observe our own government and media do it time and time again. Russia fully expects the eastern european governments to believe they did this, and in fact that is a very valuable object lesson in their view ‘ look what we did, and no one is going to do anything to us.’ and they are correct. You do realize what a chilling message is sent by the perception that russia has assassinated so much of the polish leadership, and gotten away with it? The synchronicity of the katya massacre anniversary simply elevates this from brutal and ruthless to brilliantly ruthless.
That said, I believe the cell video was unexpected. Unless someone links a detailed audio analysis of the gunshots, a person can speculate whatever they like as to their origin (if there was a sonic crack (e.g. they came from a barrel), most people would not expect to be from chambered rounds cooking off, in such nice timely fashion).
no motive. no rationale for this method of killing people. no evidence. Just like the 9/11 wackos some people will just believe what they want to believe.
There are two thoughts here ..
As I posted on the orginal video .. There were three, but only two are left...
First thought is warning shots..... which is the most likely scenario.
And the second..
Survior being shot.
And this is wear the vidogprapher can offer clarity.
The translations are muddled at best and some of it could be true or may not be true. The videographer would shed light on that.
You may feel comforatble dismissing the video, but there is one thing that seems to keep the Russians from letting the person who took the video, go public.
And that should make you uncomfortable in your own heart on dismissing the video.
I have a problem with the Russians keeping that info from the public and the Polish government.
The person who took the video, given another situation would be in front of the media.
And since this is Russia, we see nothing has really changed in Russia.
As for the security, I believe that the Russians did a quick sweep to gather important data and the bodies.
The sweep was sloppy and does not rise to the level of invesigations that would go into this type of mishap.
Polish journalists found the radio compass of the aircraft in the unsecured site.
This tells me the Russians were not that concerned in getting at the reason for the mishap, it tells me that they already knew.
They were really interested at getting other things like computers and personal effects that have security issues.
As far as crashes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX_yB3mKdUg here is one that burst into flames and tell me what you see shortly afterwards?
How many people do you see walking away from the plane crash?
Like I said, I don’t dismiss anything.
7 km ? Sources ? I’ve got some sources in the european / polish media all said the pilot had already 3 failed landing attempts due the bad weather and the aircraft crashed on the fourth.
Obviously, the Russians were shooting people in cold blood. / s
Maybe, some small arms got blown off from the heat of the jet crashing???
That would be my first guess
Sources for the 7km? There have been numerous stories posted here with that information.
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