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Woman's hospital memories contradict "birthers"
The Daily Republic ^ | May 15, 2010 | Ross Dolan

Posted on 05/14/2010 11:02:15 PM PDT by Smokeyblue

U.S. House candidate Chris Nelson earlier this week dismissed “birther” statements attributed to him and said he believes Barack Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen and the legitimately elected president of the United States.

So does Eleanor Nordyke — and according to her, she should know.

Nordyke, 82, of Honolulu, Hawaii, says that on Aug. 4, 1961, she was in labor with her twin daughters Susan and Gretchen at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital — the same place Barack Obama was being born. The hospital has since been renamed Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children.

“Birthers” is the term given to those who believe Obama was not born in the United States and does not, therefore, meet a primary qualification for the presidency.

Nordyke, in a Friday telephone interview with The Daily Republic, said the birthers have consistently discounted her testimony. She is certain they are wrong.

(Excerpt) Read more at mitchellrepublic.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: article2section1; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; hawaii; honolulu; ineligible; naturalborncitizen; nordyke; obama; usurper
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For what it's worth, new interview with Mrs. Nordyke.
1 posted on 05/14/2010 11:02:15 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

I don’t see anything that she was witness to that contradicts anything. Did I miss something?


2 posted on 05/14/2010 11:04:56 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: Smokeyblue

Who was the attending physician? Was the father actually Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama, Sr.? If so, nothing else matters, because then Mr. Obama could not and cannot be a natural born citizen!


3 posted on 05/14/2010 11:05:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: Smokeyblue

She recalls that Obama’s birth notice was published several days before her daughters’ notice, even though Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was admitted to Kapiolani Hospital after Nordyke entered the hospital. Obama was born on a Friday, and the Nordyke twins were born on a Saturday, she said.

Nordyke’s late husband, Dr. Robert Nordyke, was an internal medicine specialist at Honolulu’s Straub Clinic.

“My daughters’ birth certificates were 10637 and 10638, and Obama’s was 10641, so his mother must have come in after I did,” Nordyke said, though she never met Obama’s mother.

Must have??? She doesn’t know for sure.


4 posted on 05/14/2010 11:06:17 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

We will likely never know whom was the little one actually born to and given the birth cert number Barry is using. But someone has to keep looking ...


5 posted on 05/14/2010 11:08:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Lets say he was born in Hawaii. His father was a not born in the U.S. so he is not a natural born citizen.


6 posted on 05/14/2010 11:09:22 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: Smokeyblue
This is kind of a strange article, because while it says she was in the hospital at the same time Dunham was supposedly in the hospital, the article never quotes her as saying she saw Dunham or remembered her from the hospital. Maybe she has said that somewhere else, but at least in this article, there is no such statement made. So what, exactly, is the value of her testimony? Could be just bad writing on the part of the reporter.

Hawaii law prevents the release of full “long form” birth information to anyone but family members, Nordyke said, “so for the birthers to keep clamoring for it is ridiculous.”

Everyone realizes the BC can only be released to O himself. The question is, why doesn't "he" release it.

“Birthers” is the term given to those who believe Obama was not born in the United States

Actually, I suppose "birther" could refer to people who think its odd that he refuses to release his birth certificate or his college records or his passport records or in fact any of his paper trail. He is the man without a past; he is the man who never was. "Birthers" are apparently the only people in America who think thats strange.

"Journalist" is the term of art we use for people who think its embarrassing to ask what it is that O is hiding.

7 posted on 05/14/2010 11:12:50 PM PDT by marron
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To: Smokeyblue

You gotta love how, out of the blue, the author says that race seems important to the birthers, but was never an issue at Obama’s Punahou school. What the heck? Slurring anyone with concerns about Obama’s eligibility as racist and lifting Obama above such low-brow people all at the same time and with zero justification.
On a separate note, no matter where Obama was born, there are still questions about his eligibility (Indonesian adoption, Kenyan father, British citizenship, ‘81 Pakistan trip, etc.).


8 posted on 05/14/2010 11:13:29 PM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: Smokeyblue

It’s a re-hash of what she said before. Slobbery kisses. She doesn’t say she remembers baby 0thugga or his mother! She has no memory of them at the hospital or even any contemporaneous second or third hand stories. It’s a slimey puff piece and I swear she was coached as well.

It makes rock groupies look rational.


9 posted on 05/14/2010 11:13:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: Smokeyblue

Questions:
- How accurate is a memory of events multiple decades ago? Sometimes I forgot what I had for breakfast... or if I had breakfast.
- The lady mentions the birth announcement in the paper; did she see Obama, his mother, and/or his father while in the hospital?
If she did not actually see them, her testimony is ONLY hearsay.


10 posted on 05/14/2010 11:13:45 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marron

She has never said she remembers them at the hospital. She’s just a willing, coached, prop piece.


11 posted on 05/14/2010 11:14:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: OneWingedShark

She mentions the birth announcement and weird dating connected with it because she was coached. There is no doubt about it.


12 posted on 05/14/2010 11:15:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: conservative cat

I didn’t either.


13 posted on 05/14/2010 11:18:12 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: Smokeyblue

yeah right your giving birth to twins and you hve time to pay attention to whats going on in he bed next to you, and thru all that you remmber the nams of those unimportant to you?


14 posted on 05/14/2010 11:18:15 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: little jeremiah

>She mentions the birth announcement and weird dating connected with it because she was coached. There is no doubt about it.

I’m inclined to agree; why would she remember a birth-announcement from some unknown, about some random person, multiple decades later?

True, some people do have photographic and near-photographic memories, but they’re fairly rare & nothing has been said about it. {I assume that if she even claimed to have near-photographic memory it would be “highlighted, boldfaced, & underlined” in the article.}


15 posted on 05/14/2010 11:20:06 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Smokeyblue
“Birthers” is the term given to those who believe Obama was not born in the United States and does not, therefore, meet a primary qualification for the presidency.

No. "Birther" referes to the lack of natural born citizen status for any reason whatsoever. All this talk about a birth certificate - even if it is true - takes the focus off the known, established fact that Obama's father was a British citizen through Kenya. That alone denies him natural born citizen status, period, end of discussion. Anything germaine on the birth certificate is just extras.

16 posted on 05/14/2010 11:20:58 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Grandma must have been “loaded”! Private school tuition and 3 week cruises in Tahiti et.al.


17 posted on 05/14/2010 11:21:22 PM PDT by Kahuna
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To: OneWingedShark

There was an almost identical “interview” with hear a year or more ago, some of it almost word for word. But this time the birth announcement stuff is trotted in. The handlers who coached her made her say that stuff because now “it’s out there”, it wasn’t out there say a year and a half or couple years ago. It was discussed on FR but not so much and not out in the ethers.

Let’s see her copy of the Honolulu papers with her babies’ birth announcements! Then we’ll talk!

She was reading a script.


18 posted on 05/14/2010 11:23:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: marron
"Journalist" is the term of art we use for people who think its embarrassing to ask what it is that O is hiding.

Journalist is just the commonly used word for propagandist.

19 posted on 05/14/2010 11:24:25 PM PDT by highlander_UW (First we take down the Democrats, then we clean the Augean stable that is the GOP.)
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To: Kahuna
Grandma must have been “loaded”!

Bank vice president.

20 posted on 05/14/2010 11:24:46 PM PDT by marron
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To: Kahuna

I’ve read there is no evidence of this cruise other than Nordyke’s memory, fwiw.

Grandma was so old and decrepit by that time (read this on FR long time ago) that it would have been hard for her to travel. A photo of Grandma, 0thugga, Mrs 0thugga and 0’s sister and family in HI from quite a few years ago (Michelle being preg IIRC) shows Grandma so bent over she can’t even sit up straight.

Be interesting to see some evidence of a cruise other than this one “memory” of Nordyke’s.


21 posted on 05/14/2010 11:25:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: highlander_UW

Someone on FR calls them “gerbilists”.

It has a nice ring.


22 posted on 05/14/2010 11:26:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: Smokeyblue

This could all be solved by Obamao releasing his records, including his COLB just like every other President has done. Just like any one of us would have to in order to apply for a job with the Federal government.

Instead Obamao has spent a small fortune on lawsuits, hush money, bribes, etc. to keep all of his records hidden. One of the first acts he did as President was to issue an executive order sealing all of his records.

We all seem to forget that people who worked for one of Obama’s biggest supporters were found to be accessing and possibly tampering with his passport/State Dept. records. The fact that they also went through Clinton and McCain’s records was just to throw people off-both of them have been public officials for decades with known schedules.

Now...

What is he so afraid of in those records? I am beginning to suspect that there is something much worse then his not being an American citizen. Much worse.


23 posted on 05/14/2010 11:27:38 PM PDT by Nahanni
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To: jarofants
Lets say he was born in Hawaii. His father was a not born in the U.S. so he is not a natural born citizen.

The NBC requirement is not that his father be born in the U.S., rather, it's that his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Zero's birth.

His son, zero, isn't a NBC.

24 posted on 05/14/2010 11:28:09 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: highlander_UW

It’s funny that they are using an old woman and her memories of birth announcements in the newspaper for documentation that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Why not release his $12 birth certificate?


25 posted on 05/14/2010 11:28:24 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

I don’t know about other folks, but the idea I would know the names of other parents and their kids in the maternity ward when my two children were born is patently absurd.

As for the birth record numbers, that would seem to be something that would be a product of the country seat, not the individual hospital, although the hospital may have a record number and I may be wrong on that count.

That’s an important aspect of this, because if it was a product of the county seat, it would be easy for Obama to have been born in Kenya, his parents to have filed papers at the county seat, and his record number there to be a few numbers off from the child of this lady.

She admits she didn’t meet Obama’s parents. And although she remembers him at school where her kids attended, that has nothing to do with the location of his birth.

It seems to me this lady is mixing things she does remember with things she has no way of remembering.


26 posted on 05/14/2010 11:28:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: MHGinTN

“We will likely never know whom was the little one actually born to and given the birth cert number Barry is using. But someone has to keep looking ...”

I am not buying her story.
Where is the birth certificate that was issued in the hospital?
I gather the numbers that she gave are like the numbers on the “certification” forms, not the real certificate.
How does Hawaii assign numbers on the “certification” ?
They do not seem to resemble the numbering system on the hospital BC.
Again, this is a REAL birth certificate, as made out in the hospital.

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u358/zczc3185/Birth_cert_coats_7c.jpg

This is all that us birthers want to see.

As for citizenship of father, and all of that mess, it would be up to a long line of court battles to say if
that would disqualify him. I think maybe not.


27 posted on 05/14/2010 11:28:48 PM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Nahanni
people who worked for one of Obama’s biggest supporters were found to be accessing and possibly tampering with his passport/State Dept. records

And then died.

28 posted on 05/14/2010 11:29:00 PM PDT by marron
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To: Smokeyblue
It’s funny that they are using an old woman and her memories of birth announcements in the newspaper for documentation that Obama was born in Hawaii. Why not release his $12 birth certificate?

My guess as to why they don't release the certificate...at this point it solves no problems (from Obama's perspective) and perpetuates a group of people he can point to as victimizing him.

The fact of the matter is, it's all moot because his father was a British subject, so Obama isn't a natural born citizen...and therefore not eligible to be president.

But this nation no longer runs under the constitution, so I really don't expect anything to change.

29 posted on 05/14/2010 11:31:12 PM PDT by highlander_UW (First we take down the Democrats, then we clean the Augean stable that is the GOP.)
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To: little jeremiah; highlander_UW

I spell it jourbalist, practicing jourbalism.


30 posted on 05/14/2010 11:32:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Beckwith; bgill; butterdezillion; bvw; conservativegramma; Danae; dennisw; ...

NBC Ping


31 posted on 05/14/2010 11:36:08 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone else spelled it the other way IIRC; either way makes the right point, of what they really are.

;-)


32 posted on 05/14/2010 11:36:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: DoughtyOne

Scripted “interview”.


33 posted on 05/14/2010 11:38:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: Nahanni
Instead Obamao has spent a small fortune on lawsuits, hush money, bribes, etc. to keep all of his records hidden. One of the first acts he did as President was to issue an executive order sealing all of his records.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Obama has spent a TON of **taxpayer** money!!! Please, please, please remember that it is the money of U.S. citizens!!

Obama is misusing and wasting U.S, attorney time and DOJ resources to hide common documents that unanointed Americans routinely release for many reasons.

Obama has, and is, distracting U.S. attorneys from their important job of getting the “bad guys”. Obama did this when plots were being laid to:

**BLOW UP TIMES SQUARE
**BLOW UP a RIITTSBURGH MARATHON
**BLOW A PLANE OUT OF THE SKY OVER DETROIT
** KILL SOLDIERS ON THEIR BASES AND RECRUITMENT CENTERS

Yes, I am personally outraged that Obama would **do** that! Yes, I am having a minor temper tantrum. And...While I know that the mainstream media is utterly infested with Marxists, I am appalled that the conservative media would ignore this!

34 posted on 05/14/2010 11:43:34 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: DoughtyOne

I remember ONE mom from my many and several childbirths.

With my first kid - I had to share a room - they medivacced a girl in from an Indian reservation having a bad time with twins - her family kept me up all night with the stupid tv. When I asked them to please turn it down they said nothing, turned it down for five minutes, then blared it for the rest of the stupid night while they all talked and carried on. I begged for a room of my own, going crazy without any sleep, and was given one.

I don’t know ANY of their names. All I can tell you is a girl with an unbelievably nasty family was medivacced in with a difficult delivery of twins.


35 posted on 05/14/2010 11:44:54 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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To: OneWingedShark

The article seems incoherent and also doesn’t provide testimony of anything. The birth announcement appeared before the baby was born? That makes no sense.

Also I had several children in a hospital, and I remember nothing about the women next to me except one had a very ill child. That was twenty years ago, and I wouldn’t recognize her if she showed up at my front door.


36 posted on 05/14/2010 11:46:11 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: Kahuna

She was not only loaded, she was “connected”.


37 posted on 05/14/2010 11:49:08 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: Smokeyblue

They can say whatever they want which is usually nothing.

There still isn’t any proof.


38 posted on 05/14/2010 11:51:49 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Smokeyblue

There was a little girl born in the hospital a day or so before I gave birth. I don’t remember the mother or father’s name, but I remember the little girl’s full name, and I remember that the mother said, “Come on, Crystal, it’s time for your peanut butter and jelly sandwich” when she was picking up the baby to nurse her.

She was the only other baby at the hospital, which averaged a baby a day.

If this Mrs. Nordyke really remembers the birth of Obama, where are the details? Just saying that she must have been in the hospital at the same time because it’s the right time frame doesn’t mean anything; I’m sure most of us have been in the hospital at the same time as other people. It doesn’t mean we saw them.


39 posted on 05/14/2010 11:54:57 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Nothing new here. Just a few of the same discredited supports like “Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama’s citizenship, saying they have seen his birth certificate.” and the birth notices in the newspaper. It doesn’t matter where he was born his father was a British subject.


40 posted on 05/15/2010 12:06:13 AM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: marron
“My daughters’ birth certificates were 10637 and 10638, and Obama’s was 10641, so his mother must have come in after I did,” Nordyke said, though she never met Obama’s mother.
41 posted on 05/15/2010 12:10:13 AM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: Smokeyblue

82 years old and remembers who was being born in the same hospital as the one she was giving birth to? Yeah, right. “Hey, yo, you over there having the baby. Whass his name going to be?


42 posted on 05/15/2010 12:15:13 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Release Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and let him and his family get on with their lives.)
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To: Persevero

I had one of my daughters in an Army hospital and there were 4 of us mothers to a room. We gossiped up a storm and even played cards but I could not tell you anything about those ladies or their babies- other than it was a fun group!


43 posted on 05/15/2010 12:22:29 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Smokeyblue
ROFL~~~~~

“My daughters’ birth certificates were 10637 and 10638, and Obama’s was 10641, so his mother must have come in after I did,” Nordyke said, though she never met Obama’s mother.

Like birth certs are issued prior to delivery and the numbers given at the hospital. HI DOH has already confirmed numbers were issued the day the certs were filed so Nelson is just another RINO trying to save face and avoid this constitutional crisis...nothing to see here, move on annoying ones.

44 posted on 05/15/2010 12:23:13 AM PDT by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: Persevero

When I had my youngest, all I know is that I had a huge L-shaped room, and there was another woman in the other side of the L, with her own bathroom. She was probably illegal. We both had C-sections, and I had to pay off my part of the costs that the insurance didn’t cover. It burned me up then, thinking that she didn’t have to pay ANYTHING for hers. I think it was her 3rd or 4th child.


45 posted on 05/15/2010 12:41:42 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: TigersEye

She never met Obama’s mother, but has his BC number MEMORIZED? I bet even Chris Matthews doesn’t memorize info like that.


46 posted on 05/15/2010 12:42:48 AM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Smokeyblue

I was just wondering how many of the mothers here remember
any other baby that was born at the hospital the same day or later than there own babies. My 2 kids are in their mid twenties and honestly I could not even tell you who elses was born when my kids were born. Now this woman is in her eighties and she remembers? It is not like Barry was anybody famous when he was born and I bet his mother was less than memorable. I dont know this just popped into my mind.


47 posted on 05/15/2010 12:50:52 AM PDT by funfan
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To: Smokeyblue
oh those are the kids that was born before Obama was born but after obama was born according to the 'records.'
I hope I got that right. ha
48 posted on 05/15/2010 1:11:49 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: funfan

Oh come on when the Messiah is born you would know remember it!


49 posted on 05/15/2010 1:13:50 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: jarofants
Or what if Adolph had come to America, knocked up a teenage minor, took the baby back to Germany and raised it as a good widdle Nazi.

Would the spawn of Hitler be eligible?

50 posted on 05/15/2010 1:28:19 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you, O you most proud, said the Lord God of hosts.)
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