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Itís all a conspiracy ("Birther" Hitpiece by Leftist Rag)
Las Vegas Sun ^ | 05/15/10 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 05/15/2010 3:23:59 PM PDT by circumbendibus

Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, signed legislation Wednesday that will allow state officials to ignore repeated requests for President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Why? The state has been overwhelmed with requests for the document — the stack of queries through March measures 13 inches high — and the demand is burning up staff time.

It is amazing that more than a year after the president took office, the “birthers” are still alive and kicking, trying to prove that Obama wasn’t born in the United States and is thus ineligible to be president. Nevermind the proof that he was born in Hawaii, like his Hawaiian birth certificate. Birthers say it’s not the “legitimate” birth certificate, even though Hawaiian officials, including the Republican governor, say it is. The birthers also dismiss the fact that two Honolulu newspapers printed birth announcements shortly after he was born. Anyone, after all, could have submitted those announcements.

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The leftist media continues to cover up for putative president Obama. Alinsky tactics to redicule those who have questions about his eligibility to be president.

There were 42 comments after this editorial. Only one of them argued against the editors by stating FACTS. Facts do not a conspiracy theory make.

I support Reverend Manning, LTC Latkin, and CDR Kirchner and all patriots who are seeking to lift the veil of secrecy surrounding Obama.

1 posted on 05/15/2010 3:23:59 PM PDT by circumbendibus
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To: BP2; Red Steel; Seizethecarp; rxsid; LucyT; pissant; STARWISE

PING!


2 posted on 05/15/2010 3:27:11 PM PDT by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2010)
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To: circumbendibus

Great. Obama was born in Hawaii.

Soooooo, he can have Hawaii officially release his Long Form Birth Certificate for Lt. Colonel Lakin’s team.

You know, the one he has been hiding for 2 years?

But

he

won’t

do

THAT.

Why?


3 posted on 05/15/2010 3:29:40 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

The Kenyan is spending millions of dollars in legal fees to hide his long-form birth certificate. Why?


4 posted on 05/15/2010 3:37:33 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

It is not even the fact of whether he was born in America or not. His father is not from here and that right there disqualifies him to hold the highest office in the land.


5 posted on 05/15/2010 3:41:15 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: circumbendibus
"("Birther" Hitpiece by Leftist Rag"

target


6 posted on 05/15/2010 3:47:05 PM PDT by FrankR (Standing up against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future will belong to the tyrants.)
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To: rambo316

We don’t even know the name of his real father.


7 posted on 05/15/2010 3:51:39 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Yeah you are right on that one. I’m just saying that if his father, the kenyan, is his father than he cannot be president. That is the fact always misses when they call us birthers.


8 posted on 05/15/2010 3:56:47 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: rambo316

What if his real father is a Saudi?


9 posted on 05/15/2010 3:58:12 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: circumbendibus

I see they are siding with the criminal, Obama.


10 posted on 05/15/2010 4:02:08 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: circumbendibus

The 0thugga toadies on FR are getting riled up today.


11 posted on 05/15/2010 4:02:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: circumbendibus

If it is a conspiracy; let him show his real bc to put it to rest.


12 posted on 05/15/2010 4:03:54 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: rambo316
I’m just saying that if his father, the kenyan, is his father than he cannot be president.

Sure he can. You only need one U.S. parent, and being born on U.S. soil cinches it.

I think his parents' fake marriage was bigamous (Sr. had a "village wedding" back home that hadn't been annulled -- okay for him, under Kenyan law, which allowed multiple wives) and therefore legally null and void.

I think the real problem will be with his Indonesian adoption and repatriation. He may have kept his Indonesian citizenship for years after his return, which would tear the knickers on "natural-born citizen". Hence the interest in his travels to e.g. Pakistan. If he had an Indonesian passport ..... game over.

13 posted on 05/15/2010 4:05:38 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: circumbendibus

It also doesn’t matter whether they cry conspiracy or not; Obama is breaking the law right now by not proving his is a natural born citizen.

He should step down or be thrown in jail


14 posted on 05/15/2010 4:06:04 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: F15Eagle

Maybe he will claim that he wasn’t born at all. Maybe he plans to claim that he crawled out of a well.


15 posted on 05/15/2010 4:07:21 PM PDT by abclily
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To: freekitty

Obama will never step down. He must be removed by the Courts or “impeached” by the new Congress in 2011.


16 posted on 05/15/2010 4:09:31 PM PDT by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2010)
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To: circumbendibus
It doesn't matter where he was born, libtard. His father was a British subject. Barry0 is not a NBC.

0bamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?

1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
This supposed revelation of 0's SS records has been debunked here and here.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham's divorce decree.
24 Why isn't Barack Obama still a member of the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why isn't Michelle Obama still a member of the Illinois bar, after only about four years of practice, and where are all of the relevant documents?

Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.

17 posted on 05/15/2010 4:11:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: circumbendibus

More evidence that the White House is nervous about the hidden birth certificate.
The article makes false assumptions.
Anyone who wonders why the President of the United States and Commander in Chief refuses to release his original birth certificate does so for one reason, well, two reasons , only.
They believe he was born in Kenya and they’re racist.
Many of us simply wonder why the POTUS and CINC refuses to allow Hawaii to publicly release his birth certificate and “ other vital records “ they admit having under seal .
Because as Dr Jerome Corsi often says , we didn’t take mind reading in college, so we have no idea what it says on the birth certificate.
We just know that the American people are not allowed to view the birth certificate of their president.


18 posted on 05/15/2010 4:24:41 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: TigersEye

RE: your numbers 1 to 25.

How did he get on the ballot in all 50 states and how and why did the authorized electors of those states vote for him and how and why were the results certified and the SCOTUS swore him in? I am mystified. At any rate, I believe the only way to get him out is for the House to impeach him and 67 Senators vote to convict him. Not gonna happen. Better concentrate on electing someone else in 2012.


19 posted on 05/15/2010 4:26:00 PM PDT by mono
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To: mono

Only numbers #1, #11 and #14 have any bearing on his eligibility. Also his multiple Soc. Sec. numbers which is not on the list. As to my focus I am more than capable of multi-tasking.


20 posted on 05/15/2010 4:30:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: rambo316

It is not even the fact of whether he was born in America or not. His father is not from here and that right there disqualifies him to hold the highest office in the land.


Where in the Constitution does it say that? Or where in any law of the United States does it say that your father has to be from here in order to be a natural born citizen?
The 14th Amendment to the Constitution says that “all persons BORN or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
“Born citizens” can be president and “naturalized” citizens cannot.


21 posted on 05/15/2010 4:46:30 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: circumbendibus

Obama will be kicked out of office at the ballot box in ‘12, not by tinfoil nutters who just don’t know when to let go.


22 posted on 05/15/2010 4:47:17 PM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: circumbendibus; LucyT; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; ...
Ping...............

It’s all a conspiracy ("Birther" Hitpiece by Leftist Rag)

23 posted on 05/15/2010 4:52:57 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: circumbendibus

bttt


24 posted on 05/15/2010 4:55:37 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: circumbendibus
Nevermind the proof that he was born in Hawaii, like his Hawaiian birth certificate.

Yep. Nevermind it because it has yet to be seen.

Birthers say it’s not the “legitimate” birth certificate, even though Hawaiian officials, including the Republican governor, say it is.

Oh? The governor can look at his records, but we can't? I want equal protection under the law, that some usurper isn't living at 1600 PA Ave. on my dime.

25 posted on 05/15/2010 5:10:09 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: mono

Nancy lied. The GOP let her. The GOP didn’t want this term because of all the bad “Bush’s fault” fallout and they knew the housing failure and economic crisis was looming. They didn’t want it on their watch. They gave us McLame who was bound to fail. Then they gave us some unknown woman with a quirky voice and skeletons that should have shaken the conservative base. What the GOP didn’t count on was so many who looked past all the real and false skeletons and fell in love with Sarah. That scared the GOP so they shut her up and helped the RATS spread lies about her. That’s how he got on the ballot, won, and won’t be taken out of office without a serious civilian demand. The GOP is more guilty than the RATs in this disaster.


26 posted on 05/15/2010 5:12:46 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: circumbendibus
The birthers also dismiss the fact that two Honolulu newspapers printed birth announcements shortly after he was born. Anyone, after all, could have submitted those announcements.

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Does this newspaper in Las Vegas publish births?

If it does, does anyone know what is the source of the births that they list? That is, does the list come ONLY directly from hospitals?

Or, do the births listed in the paper come from a Las Vegas or a Nevada government agency?

Can a parent---on his own---present his child's birth to the newspaper if the child was not born in a Las Vegas hospital? Thanks.

27 posted on 05/15/2010 5:13:44 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: jamese777
“Born citizens” can be president and “naturalized” citizens cannot.

Therefore, if a naturalized citizen tries to run in '12, he/she will be refused a place on the ballot. If he/she sues as an injured party with standing, demanding that, all candidates MUST prove their US birth beyond doubt.

0bagger will have no problem showing his long form as others must show ORIGINAL BCs, right?

That's precisely why he'll not dare to run in '12, proving that the "nutty birthers" were right about their crazy theory. An aide could have put that theory to sleep in a matter of hours without 0b0z0 scarifying any golf time.

28 posted on 05/15/2010 5:15:18 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: circumbendibus

Obama should be removed by the Democrats. Republicans removed Nixon when he became a national liability. It is the Democrats’ turn to clean out the White House - he is their responsibility.


29 posted on 05/15/2010 5:15:40 PM PDT by abclily
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To: jamese777; bushpilot1

PLease refer to post 228, it settles the question. I can’t copy it because it’s some kind of graphic that I can’t do.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2513818/posts?page=228#2228

Bushpilot1 found something quite interesting.


30 posted on 05/15/2010 5:16:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I think the real problem will be with his Indonesian adoption and repatriation. He may have kept his Indonesian citizenship for years after his return, which would tear the knickers on "natural-born citizen". Hence the interest in his travels to e.g. Pakistan. If he had an Indonesian passport ..... game over.

Exactly. I think he really was born in Hawaii, and I think having one American citizen as a parent is more than enough to make him a "natural born citizen." However, his school records in Indonesia list his name as "Barry Soetero," his nationality as "Indonesian" and his religion as "Muslim." This is a strong indication that Obama was legally adopted by Lolo Soetero, thus losing citizenship in the US.

A note to this effect may have been made on his Hawaii long form birth certificate, or there may be other info on the long form that would prove embarassing to Obama. This could be the real reason why he's spent millions to keep it away from public view.

One of the many reasons why Republican controlled state legislatures need to pass laws requiring certified copies of the long form birth certificate for presidential and congressional candidates to appear on the ballot, starting in 2012.

If they do it, Obama won't have any choice. Either he produces his long form birth certificate, or he doesn't run for re-election.

31 posted on 05/15/2010 5:21:20 PM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Philo1962

Please see my post above and check out post 228 linked.


32 posted on 05/15/2010 5:24:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: jimbo123; F15Eagle; All

” The Kenyan is spending millions of dollars in legal fees to hide his long-form birth certificate. Why? “

That is 2 million protecting a $12.00 birth certificate....

Hmmmmm.....


33 posted on 05/15/2010 5:29:12 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: jamese777

So is McCain a Natural Born Citizen?


34 posted on 05/15/2010 5:32:09 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Ask Orly Taitz, she is running for Secretary State of CA.

Please spread the words, we need to win the primary and put her in the office.


35 posted on 05/15/2010 5:51:03 PM PDT by Libertynotfree
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To: circumbendibus

Let’s not forget Zero was (is?) an Indonesian citizen. He does not dispute that fact and there is an official document stating his Indonesian citizenship (with his religion being listed as Islam).
That alone makes him ineligible no matter where he was hatched.

(ps-Hi there Mr.C!)


36 posted on 05/15/2010 6:19:47 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ( HEY OBAMA, I CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM MY BACK FORTY -Lady NRA Member)
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To: Philo1962
We're still facing a constitutional crisis, eventually.

If it is shown Obama achieved the office by fraud, what becomes of the laws and E.O.'s he signed?

This may be a way of breaking the citizenship requirement in ways pleasing to the eyes glowing and blinking out in the dark.

37 posted on 05/15/2010 6:32:04 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: bgill
That’s how he got on the ballot, won, and won’t be taken out of office without a serious civilian demand. The GOP is more guilty than the RATs in this disaster.

Hmmm .... I'd be hard put to argue with you. If I felt like it....

Nah.

38 posted on 05/15/2010 6:36:43 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: rolling_stone

So is McCain a Natural Born Citizen?


Who knows! My personal opinion is that he is a natural born citizen but my opinion is open to challenge.
It depends on which interpretation of the laws of the land one supports.
The following is from the Wikipedia entry on “Natural Born Citizen of the United States”: The law of the land 8 U.S.C. § 1403, which became law in 1937, retroactively conferred citizenship on individuals born within the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and on individuals born in the Republic of Panama on or after that date who had at least one U.S. citizen parent employed by the U.S. government or the Panama Railway Company; 8 U.S.C. § 1403 was cited in Judge Alsup’s 2008 ruling, described below. A paper by former Solicitor General Ted Olson and Harvard Law Professor Laurence H. Tribe published in March 2008 opined that McCain was eligible for the Presidency. In September 2008 U.S. District Judge William Alsup stated “obiter” in his ruling that it is “highly probable” that McCain is a natural born citizen from birth by virtue of 8 U.S.C. § 1401, although he acknowledged the alternative possibility that McCain became a natural born citizen retroactively, by way of 8 U.S.C. § 1403.
These views have been criticized by Gabriel J. Chin, Professor of Law at the University of Arizona, who argues that McCain was at birth a citizen of Panama and was only retroactively declared a born citizen under 8 U.S.C. § 1403, because at the time of his birth and with regard to the Canal Zone the Supreme Court’s Insular Cases overruled the Naturalization Act of 1795, which would otherwise have declared McCain a U.S. citizen immediately at birth. The US Foreign Affairs Manual states that children born in the Panama Canal Zone at certain times became U.S. nationals without citizenship. It also states in general that “it has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen”. In Rogers v. Bellei the Supreme Court only ruled that “children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment”, and didn’t elaborate on the natural born status.”


39 posted on 05/15/2010 6:47:42 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Philo1962

Exactly. I think he really was born in Hawaii, and I think having one American citizen as a parent is more than enough to make him a “natural born citizen.” However, his school records in Indonesia list his name as “Barry Soetero,” his nationality as “Indonesian” and his religion as “Muslim.” This is a strong indication that Obama was legally adopted by Lolo Soetero, thus losing citizenship in the US.

A note to this effect may have been made on his Hawaii long form birth certificate, or there may be other info on the long form that would prove embarassing to Obama. This could be the real reason why he’s spent millions to keep it away from public view.

One of the many reasons why Republican controlled state legislatures need to pass laws requiring certified copies of the long form birth certificate for presidential and congressional candidates to appear on the ballot, starting in 2012.

If they do it, Obama won’t have any choice. Either he produces his long form birth certificate, or he doesn’t run for re-election.


However Indonesia does not allow dual-citizenship.
A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.
It is extremely rare for a minor child to ever lose US citizenship until they reach the age of majority.


40 posted on 05/15/2010 6:55:36 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: little jeremiah

PLease refer to post 228, it settles the question. I can’t copy it because it’s some kind of graphic that I can’t do.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2513818/posts?page=228#2228

Bushpilot1 found something quite interesting.


An opinion from 1781 is from seven years before the ratification of the US Constitution and the 14th Amendment ratified in 1868 is the current source of citizenship law.
Here’s the current law of the land:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html


41 posted on 05/15/2010 7:16:38 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

None so blind as he who does not want to see.


42 posted on 05/15/2010 7:30:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: lentulusgracchus

You’re scaring me.


43 posted on 05/15/2010 7:31:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: john mirse
The Las Vegas Sun is a DNC mouthpiece in Las Vegas. No one would even read the 6-page newspaper except that it was bought out by the Las Vegas Review-Journal and is now more of an insert that gives you the progressive left point of view.

In short, it is not a real newspaper. No birth announcements, obituaries, wedding announcements and the like. Those can be found in the R-J.

44 posted on 05/15/2010 7:53:25 PM PDT by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2010)
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To: lentulusgracchus

You only need one parent a U.S. citizen and birth on American soil to be a Native born(naturalized) citizen. Natural born citizenship ( Article 2) requires that both parents be U.S. citizens. A minor child can not lose citizenship by actions of the parents. Regardless obama at best(unlikely) is a native born citizen and thus ineligible to be President.


45 posted on 05/15/2010 7:57:42 PM PDT by omegadawn
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To: omegadawn

WELL SAID, AND WELCOME.


46 posted on 05/15/2010 8:30:47 PM PDT by bitt ("WE THE PEOPLE" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAhr4hZDJE)
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To: abclily; circumbendibus

You must be dreaming if you ever think that today’s DNC have the same moral standard as RNC in Nixon’s days, it will never happen when you are dealing with rats!!!


47 posted on 05/15/2010 8:31:48 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Philo1962; lentulusgracchus
Exactly. I think he really was born in Hawaii, and I think having one American citizen as a parent is more than enough to make him a "natural born citizen.

Stanley was NOT old enough to do that???

48 posted on 05/15/2010 8:35:26 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: jamese777

Obama Sr. was a subject of the British crown. That would have made the Usurper a dual citizen at birth. Where in the Constitution does it guarantee that?


49 posted on 05/15/2010 9:16:29 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: danamco

Stanley was NOT old enough to do that???


Age of parents is irrelevant if the child is born in the US. Age matters for children of one American parent when the child is born abroad.

Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Section 1401 of the US Code:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;


50 posted on 05/15/2010 9:18:55 PM PDT by jamese777
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