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Toy Gun Sold in U.S. Can Easily be Converted to the Real Thing
Fox News ^ | May 14, 2010 | Diane Macedo

Posted on 05/15/2010 4:19:19 PM PDT by HogsBreath

Felons, illegal immigrants and all others banned from buying a gun in the United States have a new alternative if they’re looking to get their hands on a firearm: Just buy a toy.

A FoxNews.com investigation reveals that a popular recreational pellet gun can be converted easily to a real semi-automatic weapon. And while the federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is already aware of the issue, these “toys” -- new, top-of-the-line airsoft rifles -- continue to be sold throughout the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airsoft; ar15; banglist; gun

1 posted on 05/15/2010 4:19:19 PM PDT by HogsBreath
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To: HogsBreath

First, airsoft weapons are NOT toys!


2 posted on 05/15/2010 4:22:21 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: HogsBreath
Is this a pic of it after conversion?


3 posted on 05/15/2010 4:25:18 PM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: HogsBreath

The level of stupid in this article is hard to process. Let me see if I have this straight:

THis gun is bad because the unregulated parts of it are the same as other unregulated parts. But people who can’t buy a gun can convert it to being a real gun by buying a part they can’t buy because they can’t buy guns. Is that about it?

The lower receiver IS the gun. That’s the part that felons can’t buy. So, is this article really saying that all a felon has to do to make a real gun is buy a lower receiver? If they could do that, why wouldn’t they just buy a gun?

Stupid, stupid, stupid.


4 posted on 05/15/2010 4:32:24 PM PDT by stranger and pilgrim
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To: HogsBreath

There was a similar article a while back, with similar concerns.

I’m not an expert of firearms by any standard, but I have to wonder how reliable and durable such a weapon would be. I’m assuming the barrel/chamber/etc. of an airsoft weapon is made from a much lower grade of metal than an actual AR-15. As such, I’d think you’d basically have a weapon that would suffer a catastrophic failure with very little use.

I could well be wrong, though. Those in the know, feel free to correct me.


5 posted on 05/15/2010 4:34:24 PM PDT by DemforBush (There's another old saying, Senator: Don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining.)
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To: stranger and pilgrim

So,,,, you pull the trigger once, it fires, then you go on disability because you no longer have functioning hands?


6 posted on 05/15/2010 4:34:58 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: HogsBreath
The air rifle costs $1000. a AR 15 upper is about $500. This is an easy conversion? It sounds like Boama is going to try to pull another fast one.
7 posted on 05/15/2010 4:35:29 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
First, airsoft weapons are NOT toys!

Second, why can't illegal immigrants buy and own guns? What racist b@st@rd passed that law?

8 posted on 05/15/2010 4:35:46 PM PDT by upsdriver (ret.)
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To: DemforBush

The article points out that you would be lucky to fire 15 to 20 shots before the thing falls apart.

Whether it would be a legally serial numbered weapon or not, wouldn’t a convicted felon still be breaking the law if they did something like this?


9 posted on 05/15/2010 4:38:50 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( - Free Men will always be armed with the Truth. -)
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To: stranger and pilgrim
The lower receiver IS the gun. That’s the part that felons can’t buy. So, is this article really saying that all a felon has to do to make a real gun is buy a lower receiver? If they could do that, why wouldn’t they just buy a gun?

I think the article is trying to say that a felon could use the lower receiver from the airsoft gun, along with the trigger, hammer, etc and the entire upper half of a *real* AR, and create a functioning rifle. Big deal, people have been making their own AR lower receivers "off the books" since the Clinton years. It's tougher to find the partially-machined castings these days, though, so this airsoft part might be viewed as a shortcut.

One other thing... not everybody who is interested in an unpapered AR-15 is a felon. There are other very valid reasons to "roll your own".

10 posted on 05/15/2010 4:51:58 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: smokingfrog

The person who could convert an airsoft rifle in a fully functioning ar-15 could also go into a hardware store and but all the stuff to build a gun.

Guns aren’t really that hard to make.


11 posted on 05/15/2010 4:52:19 PM PDT by 5by5
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To: 5by5
Guns aren’t really that hard to make.

Holmes, Bill, Home Workshop Guns: The .22 Machine Pistol, Boulder, CO, Paladin Press, 1995.

Holmes, Bill, Home Workshop Guns: The Handgun, Boulder, CO, Paladin Press, 1979.

Holmes, Bill, Home Workshop Guns: The Submachine Gun, Boulder, CO, Paladin Press, 1977.

Holmes, Bill, Home Workshop Prototype Firearms, Boulder, CO, Paladin Press, 1994.

Holmes, Bill, The .50-caliber Rifle Construction Manual, Boulder, CO, Paladin Press, 2002 (complete machining instructions for a single-shot rifle).

Luty, P. A., Expedient Homemade Firearms: The 9mm Submachine Gun, Boulder, CO, Paladin Press, 1998.

Luty, P. A., Expedient Homemade Firearms, Vol. II, available as download from http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/. Price £10 as of this writing)

Metral, Gerard, A Do-it-yourself Submachine Gun, Boulder, CO, Paladin Press, 1995.

Truby, J. David, Zips, Pipes and Pens, Boulder, CO, Paladin Press, 1993. (Describes weapons made inside prisons. If they can do it there, you can do it in a workshop.)

More info in my new book. See my tag line.

12 posted on 05/15/2010 5:10:59 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( My new book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, now available from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

See also: www.cncguns.com


13 posted on 05/15/2010 5:12:58 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: 5by5

Didn.t we use to make zip guns out of a piece of wood, tubing and a rubber band. If I needed a gun I would send charlie out on the street and buy a real one not just an a[rsoft, Do you think that if we could only ban airsofts the illegals would obey this law, sincr they are law abiding.
Gun making is not really that difficult, so it might be nice to learn, when they are out of stock at the gun store.
barbra ann


14 posted on 05/15/2010 5:14:21 PM PDT by barb-tex (REMEMBER NOVEMBER!!! Slim as it may be, it is our last hope.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

yes they are. they shoot plastic beads.


15 posted on 05/15/2010 5:14:35 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: stranger and pilgrim

no, not exactly. they are saying the lower receiver of this airsoft gun will work on a real M16 if you drill a hole in it...for awhile. it’s not up to the task and will fall apart after about one magazine full of ammo. But it will work temporarily.


16 posted on 05/15/2010 5:17:37 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: JoeFromSidney

***Holmes, Bill, Home Workshop Guns:***

Is Bill Holmes still around? I met him years ago in Fayetteville, Arkansas and saw some of the single shot trap and skeet shotguns he had handmade.

Last I heard of him the BATF had arrested him for making a machine pistol, some said he was set up but I have not heard a word since.


17 posted on 05/15/2010 5:25:06 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (VIVA LOS SB1070)
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To: umgud

I personally have seen two rifles that had blown up. One in New Mexico, and one in the Ozark Forest of Arkansas. Both had split the barrel into three legs. I told the owners they should make a lamp out of it, using the barrel as the base.


18 posted on 05/15/2010 5:27:37 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (VIVA LOS SB1070)
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To: upsdriver

Yeah, they’re toys. Tell that to the cops...if your face can move after they’ve smashed it into the fender of your car.


19 posted on 05/15/2010 5:41:45 PM PDT by KingLudd
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To: mamelukesabre
yes they are. they shoot plastic beads.

At prices around $500, these are not toys. They are simulators with the weight/feel of the real thing that can be used in simulated combat scenarios.

20 posted on 05/15/2010 5:52:53 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I wonder if anyone makes an airsoft upper for an AR lower receiver?


21 posted on 05/15/2010 5:59:57 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: DemforBush
I’m assuming the barrel/chamber/etc. of an airsoft weapon is made from a much lower grade of metal than an actual AR-15.

The scenario described in the article is a little more complicated. The theory is that somebody would buy the Airsoft gun just for its lower receiver, and then go out and buy about $1100 worth of real gun parts to make the rest of the AR-15. Then they would do some simple machine work on the Airsoft replica lower receiver, put it all together, and have a kind of cheapo AR-15. It might shoot OK, but is likely to wear out quickly, etc. due to the lower quality material used in the replica lower receiver. I suspect the resulting gun would violate a whole bunch of state and federal regulations, particularly if it is owned, as the article suggests, by someone otherwise banned from firearm ownership - like an illegal alien.

But the premise of the whole conversion idea is faulty. Why wouldn't some illegal alien, for instance, who already has no compunction about violating the law, just buy an illegal handgun "in the neighborhood"? What is the benefit to a criminal of having a hard to conceal rifle? And since the same illegal alien often has fake ID and connections with other crooks with valid ID, why can't he just obtain a firearm illegally that way? And finally, why would some criminal go to all of the expense and trouble of buying over a thousand dollars of parts to make a rifle which is likely to be less than perfectly reliable when they can buy a nearly untraceable stolen handgun, or maybe even a stolen SKS carbine or similar gun on the street for less?

The whole premise set forth in the article seems ridiculous to me.

22 posted on 05/15/2010 7:01:05 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: HogsBreath

I’d love to see if one of these dweebs has the guts to put a few downrange with one of these “converted guns”.


23 posted on 05/15/2010 7:13:14 PM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: HogsBreath

Is this the same lame argrument that featured a video that showed a inept ATF agent trying to put the AR-15 30 round magazine in backwards into the weapon?

If it is, dont you feel so very safe in knowing that an ATF Special Agent cannot even load a firearm properly. How many more of these so called educated special agents are there collecting a paycheck?


24 posted on 05/15/2010 8:12:07 PM PDT by MRBIGMUTTS
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To: HogsBreath

I saw an article recently on this, the ATF claims it can easily be converted, PROVE it. All ATF Agents should be required to demonstrate the weapon by shooting 100 rounds each through said modified toy. Then make it their department issued firearm.


25 posted on 05/15/2010 8:44:15 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: umgud

Holy shiite! What happened there? Squib round followed by a real one?


26 posted on 05/15/2010 8:50:39 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

What happened there?

Don’t know, just grabbed the pic off the web, but you’re prolly right about the squib. I dod see a fellow once who had one of those laser sighter’s you stick in the barrel. He dialed in his scope then pulled the trigger without removing the sighter. It split the barrel into ribbons.


27 posted on 05/15/2010 9:00:02 PM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: umgud

I’ve seen that one too. But in that case the end of the barrel opened up like a flower, because by the time the pressure started to redline, the bullet was 4-6 inches from the end of the barrel.

Here, the splits started far back in the barrel, in its strongest part (...although, that looks like a bull barrel, so the normal decrease in strength toward the muzzle wouldn’t apply). If it weren’t a bull barrel, I’d bet the blockage was somewhere just downrange of the forward end of the splits.


28 posted on 05/15/2010 9:09:09 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: freeandfreezing

Thanks for the clarification.

Also, I agree with you that the premise of their argument is horribly flawed. No gang banger or thug is going to blow $1000+ on a makeshift weapon when he can get something off the street for a heck of a lot less.


29 posted on 05/16/2010 1:02:16 AM PDT by DemforBush (There's another old saying, Senator: Don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
"YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT, KID."
30 posted on 05/16/2010 12:17:26 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Last I heard, BATF had set him up. Haven't heard anything since. No recent books, anyway.
31 posted on 05/16/2010 3:40:17 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( My new book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, now available from Amazon.)
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To: Charles Martel
thanks for the link.
32 posted on 05/16/2010 3:47:35 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( My new book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, now available from Amazon.)
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To: mamelukesabre

My thoughts are if someone wants to build something they may figure out a way to do it. It may be a temporary thing it may last a little bit. I think the drilling of a hole only in a airsoft lower is not the only thing that was done to make it a operational firearm. I would think ATF would be all over that and prevent it to be that easy.
lowerreceivers.com


33 posted on 05/17/2010 9:40:46 PM PDT by AR-15 Rep
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