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Anglican rift deepens over Episcopalian ordination of lesbian bishop
The Times ^ | 5/17/2010 | Giles Whittell in Washington, and Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 05/16/2010 8:56:49 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

The Anglican rift over homosexual clergy has grown deeper than ever after the ordination in California of the Church’s first lesbian bishop.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, had previously called the move regrettable and warned that it called into question the place of the US Episcopalian Church in the global Anglican Communion.

Mary Glasspool, 56, was ordained on yesterday in front of 3,000 supporters — and two protesters — in the Long Beach Arena, south of Los Angeles.


Canon Mary Glasspool after her ordination
as bishop in a Los Angeles arena

Calling herself a “reconciling person”, she offered to “reach out and engage with people who believe or think differently than I do”, but her appointment has already tested the Episcopal Church’s ties to the Church of England almost to breaking point.

Hoping to retain the allegiance of conservatives still furious over the ordination of Gene Robinson, the first gay Anglican bishop, in 2003, Dr Williams has said that Canon Glasspool’s ordination “raises very serious questions not just for the Episcopalian Church and its place in the Anglican Communion, but for the Communion as a whole”. He declined to comment on the ordination.

A spokesman for the Church of Ireland called the appointment “both wrong and disappointing”.

Such sentiments were voiced but quickly overwhelmed at the four-hour ceremony, at which Canon Glasspool and another woman, Diane Bruce, were ordained sufragan, or assistant bishops by Archbishop Jon Bruno of the Episcopal Church’s Los Angeles diocese — considered one of the most progressive in the country.

Two men, thought to be father and son, held up placards and denounced homosexuality as an “abomination” before being led from the venue by security guards. There was silence when Archbishop Bruno asked later if anyone in

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anglican; ecusa; episcopal; homosexualagenda; religiousleft; schism

1 posted on 05/16/2010 8:56:49 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman
considered one of the most progressive in the country.

considered one of the most heretical in the country.

Um, spelling error.

2 posted on 05/16/2010 9:01:51 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: bruinbirdman; Irisshlass; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...

Satanic. Ugly beyond belief.


3 posted on 05/16/2010 9:02:09 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: bruinbirdman

That’s just sick.


4 posted on 05/16/2010 9:05:37 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: narses

BXVI is heading over to Britain shortly to extend the invitation of a theological Dunkirk - the evacuation of the Christian back to Catholic shores.


5 posted on 05/16/2010 9:10:56 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: narses

Psalm 14
Denunciation of Godlessness
To the leader. Of David.

1Fools say in their hearts, ‘There is no God.’
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds;
there is no one who does good.

2The Lord looks down from heaven on humankind
to see if there are any who are wise,
who seek after God.

3They have all gone astray, they are all alike perverse;
there is no one who does good,
no, not one.

4Have they no knowledge, all the evildoers
who eat up my people as they eat bread,
and do not call upon the Lord?

5There they shall be in great terror,
for God is with the company of the righteous.
6You would confound the plans of the poor,
but the Lord is their refuge.

7O that deliverance for Israel would come from Zion!
When the Lord restores the fortunes of his people,
Jacob will rejoice; Israel will be glad.


6 posted on 05/16/2010 9:11:27 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: bruinbirdman
I am very careful to not denigrate anyone else's faith, as a Catholic on this forum I can attest to the virulent hatred some hold to Catholicism.

But I truly feel for those in the Episcopal Church who see the depths of depravity stealing away their institution and replacing it with the worship of sin. I hope they find a new home that is faithful to Christ and leave the fallen to their own earned fates.

7 posted on 05/16/2010 9:16:51 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: bruinbirdman

Christianity is all about humility and self sacrifice. Homosexuals on the other hand are all about self-gratification, nothing me. It’s the ultimate “me” lifestyle. The idea of a Christian spiritual leader leading a life of homosexuality is laughable on its face. This notion cannot succeed and is destined for serious failure.


8 posted on 05/16/2010 9:28:26 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Now can we forget about that old rum-runner Joe Kennedy and his progeny of philandering drunks?)
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To: bruinbirdman

The Episcopal church of the USA has destroyed itself, just as the rest of the country has become the USSA.

I fear that there will be no turning back for either.


9 posted on 05/16/2010 9:30:15 PM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: bruinbirdman

The Christians left that cult a long time ago.


10 posted on 05/16/2010 9:38:35 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: AlexW; ElkGroveDan; IrishCatholic
I am not much on Bible learning. But I know the Lord destroyed the Sodomites for good reason.

I also know He destroyed entire peoples who failed to heed His admonitions

Now the Sodomites are honored in the Lord's House? Blasphemy!!

no yitbos

11 posted on 05/16/2010 9:43:31 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: IrishCatholic

There is a reason I supported the Diocese of Fort Worth in its move to separate from the ECUSA and realign. I’ll admit it had nothing to do with homosexual priests or bishops, but the nonsense surrounding this certainly makes me glad I made the choice I did.

But then, when the Presiding Bishop of the ECUSA openly claims the Divinity of Christ is irrelevant, it’s hard to be surprised by anything that group does.


12 posted on 05/16/2010 10:02:50 PM PDT by HushTX (get over it.)
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To: narses
"Satanic. Ugly beyond belief."

That is a flattering photo. You should see the video of those comments.

My daughter said, "I've seen that horrible face somewhere".

I reached into the bookcase, pulled out a book on Egyptology, and showed her a photo of King Tutankhamen's mummy.

Her reply: "That's it!"

13 posted on 05/16/2010 10:44:48 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: IrishCatholic

I am a former refugee from the Church of Anything Goes err Episcopal Church.

I’ve been a Catholic now for almost three years and couldn’t be happier.


14 posted on 05/17/2010 3:11:54 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: bruinbirdman

Revelation 9:21 (New International Version)
21Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.


15 posted on 05/17/2010 3:51:37 AM PDT by sausageseller (If you want to cut your own throat, don't come to me for a bandage. M, Thatcher)
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To: bruinbirdman
And I thought James Coburn was dead.......

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16 posted on 05/17/2010 3:53:41 AM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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I was thinking more along the lines of Ted Cassidy.

17 posted on 05/17/2010 4:08:11 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
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To: Neville72
I am a former refugee from the Church of Anything Goes err Episcopal Church.

I’ve been a Catholic now for almost three years and couldn’t be happier.

My wife and I have decided that this was the last straw for us as well. We would like to see about coverting to the Catholic Church, but we have some issues that would probably prevent it. (We have both been divorced; I am a Freemason, etc...)

18 posted on 05/17/2010 6:04:18 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (The shattered skulls of tyrants should be used for traction under the boots of justice. T. Nugent)
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Heh. Minor impediments. :)


19 posted on 05/17/2010 6:41:29 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: bruinbirdman

This is not an expression of love for one’s religion, imho.


20 posted on 05/17/2010 6:42:12 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: PalmettoMason

I’m not positive, but the divorces might not be a problem if neither of you were Catholic to begin with.

But yeah, the Freemasonry would be a problem.


21 posted on 05/17/2010 7:13:28 AM PDT by Claud
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To: bruinbirdman
Bishop Bruno, the head Bishop in LA was once a professional football player and I wonder if he collided with some of those 350 pound defensive linemen too often. He is the ring leader in the progressive movement there.
22 posted on 05/17/2010 8:16:22 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Claud
But yeah, the Freemasonry would be a problem.

That's what I have heard. I don't necessarily understand the reasons behind it, but it would be an impediment.

As I said in a post yesterday, I have tried other denominations, but the church services just don't feel like "worship" to me. I have gotten spoiled on the ritual and reverence in the Anglican Mass.

So, I suppose my choices are down to staying with the Episcopal Church and ignoring what is going on (not likely), giving up an organization that I enjoy and KNOW to be harmless (also unlikely), or continue to stay away from church altogether and just try to live the best life I know how (most likely).

Maybe NOW would be a good time to take up golf. The courses should be a little less crowded on Sunday mornings. LOL.

23 posted on 05/17/2010 1:51:29 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (The shattered skulls of tyrants should be used for traction under the boots of justice. T. Nugent)
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To: bruinbirdman

It’s the gay sex church now. What progress!


24 posted on 05/17/2010 6:43:33 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Neville72

I keep saying this to all Traditional Anglicans who come to enrich The Church - Thank you! Thank you for coming in and strengthening the Church with your conservativeness, your faith and your energy.


25 posted on 06/10/2010 4:16:01 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: PalmettoMason

If you were both married outside the Catholic Church then the Church wouldn’t consider your prior marriages as valid Church marriages, so no worries about that. The Freemason bit — that’s what would not be allowed.


26 posted on 06/10/2010 4:17:27 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: Cronos
From Catholic.com

Freemasonry is incompatible with the Catholic faith. Freemasonry teaches a naturalistic religion that espouses indifferentism, the position that a person can be equally pleasing to God while remaining in any religion.

Masonry is a parallel religion to Christianity. The New Catholic Encyclopedia states, "Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites."

Masonry is also a secret society. Its initiates subscribe to secret blood oaths that are contrary to Christian morals. The prospective Mason swears that if he ever reveals the secrets of Masonry - secrets which are trivial and already well-known - he wills to be subject to self-mutilation or to gruesome execution. (Most Masons, admittedly, never would dream of carrying out these punishments on themselves or on an errant member).

Historically, one of Masonry's primary objectives has been the destruction of the Catholic Church; this is especially true of Freemasonry as it has existed in certain European countries. In the United States, Freemasonry is often little more than a social club, but it still espouses a naturalistic religion that contradicts orthodox Christianity. (Those interested in joining a men's club should consider the Knights of Columbus instead.)

The Church has imposed the penalty of excommunication on Catholics who become Freemasons. The penalty of excommunication for joining the Masonic Lodge was explicit in the 1917 code of canon law (canon 2335), and it is implicit in the 1983 code (canon 1374).
27 posted on 06/10/2010 4:29:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: Cronos

Yeah. I am amazed that the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy are OK, but a member of a organization that is harmless is not. Oh well, it’s their “club”, their rules.


28 posted on 06/10/2010 5:34:39 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (The shattered skulls of tyrants should be used for traction under the boots of justice. T. Nugent)
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To: PalmettoMason
Nancy and Ted are not ok -- both are/were CINOs and should be hounded out of The Church

however, here we're talking about organizations not individuals. You as an individual cannot be placed in the same despicable category as Nance, but the Freemason organization, the deeper you go, is contrary to Christian morals. In the United States, Freemasonry is often little more than a social club, but it still espouses a naturalistic religion that contradicts orthodox Christianity, but it has a more malevolent image in Europe.
29 posted on 06/10/2010 5:58:37 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: Cronos

Sorry, I am posting via Blackberry. Will respond when I get to my laptop.


30 posted on 06/10/2010 7:01:28 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (The shattered skulls of tyrants should be used for traction under the boots of justice. T. Nugent)
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