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Concealed Handgun Permit Holders Have Killed at Least 161 Since May 2007, Including 9 LE Officers
Violence Policy Center ^ | 28 April 2010 | N/A

Posted on 05/18/2010 6:48:45 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

Washington, DC--Concealed handgun permit holders have killed at least nine law enforcement officers in addition to 152 private citizens (including 15 shooters who killed themselves after an attack) since May 2007 according to the latest update of Concealed Carry Killers, a Violence Policy Center (VPC) on-line resource that tallies news reports of such killings. The web site, located at http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm, is updated monthly to include new fatal shootings since May 2007 by concealed handgun permit holders and any changes in the legal status of permit holders facing criminal charges. (Any concealed handgun permit holders who are eventually acquitted of their alleged crimes are not included in the tallies maintained on the site although the facts surrounding the shooting are detailed.)

The VPC web site categorizes the 95 incidents, which occurred in 25 states, and offers detailed descriptions of each incident (some incidents may fit into multiple categories). Of these incidents, 15 were murder-suicides involving firearms and 15 were mass shootings (three or more victims) that claimed as many as 11 lives at a time. Law enforcement officers were killed in Alabama, Florida (two incidents), Idaho, Ohio, and Pennsylvania (two incidents). All of the law enforcement killings were committed with guns.

(Excerpt) Read more at vpc.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealed; crime; liberalfascism; vpc; vpcpropaganda
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We all need to be aware that this is being posted all over the internet by leftwing sites, some of which have seeped into our grand media.
1 posted on 05/18/2010 6:48:45 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

How many murders have occurred by NON-permit holders since 2007?


2 posted on 05/18/2010 6:49:58 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Erik Latranyi

So how many unlicensed holders have killed people since 2007?


3 posted on 05/18/2010 6:50:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Daisyjane69

Actually there are a lot of good questions to ask.

How many of those shootings were justified?


4 posted on 05/18/2010 6:51:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Daisyjane69
according to the latest update of Concealed Carry Killers

Yeah, no bias there.

5 posted on 05/18/2010 6:51:37 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Erik Latranyi

bookmark


6 posted on 05/18/2010 6:51:42 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012----Remember May 20th is "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day")
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To: Erik Latranyi

I guess the concealed weapon drove the owner to crime.


7 posted on 05/18/2010 6:52:13 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Puppage

http://www.gunfacts.info/


8 posted on 05/18/2010 6:52:17 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Erik Latranyi

How many people with drivers licenses have had accidents? Perhaps we need to ....

(The lack of logic continues on the left.)


9 posted on 05/18/2010 6:52:17 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Daisyjane69
How many murders have occurred by NON-permit holders since 2007?

Better yet how many murders did NOT occur because of a CCW.

10 posted on 05/18/2010 6:52:37 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: Erik Latranyi
All of the law enforcement killings were committed with guns.

So the non-LEO statistics include many instances of Concealed Permit holders pushing people out of windows? Good to know.

11 posted on 05/18/2010 6:53:09 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Erik Latranyi

better re check their stats...for legal gunners.


12 posted on 05/18/2010 6:53:28 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: cripplecreek
Actually there are a lot of good questions to ask.

How many of those shootings were justified?

How many of those alleged shootings actually happened?

13 posted on 05/18/2010 6:53:36 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: cripplecreek

In a nation of 300 million, those numbers are statistically zero. They are statistical noise.

Now, 40,000+ people dying in car accidents is a percentage you can sink your teeth into. Maybe we should abolish cars. ;)


14 posted on 05/18/2010 6:53:37 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I’m not clicking the link. Does it say how many of the 152 deserved to be shot?


15 posted on 05/18/2010 6:53:42 AM PDT by csmusaret (Remember, half the people in this country are below average)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Violence Policy Center is a left wing hate group. They are no different than the KKK, etc.

Anything they say is on the same level as any other Nazi-like organization.


16 posted on 05/18/2010 6:54:02 AM PDT by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Somewhere between 16000 and 18000 shooting homicides occur each year in the USA. This is a mulli-year sample.

Without knowing the circumstances of each of these shootings, the data is totally meaningless. Like most leftist out of context drivel.

I wonder how many USA citizens and other people illegal aliens kill each year?

17 posted on 05/18/2010 6:54:30 AM PDT by Tarpon (Obama-Speak ... the fusion of sophistry and Newspeak. It's not a gift, it's just lies.)
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To: csmusaret

They were “private citizens”.

Which of course is the same code phrase that the MSM use for the Taliban.


18 posted on 05/18/2010 6:55:13 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Daisyjane69
That's what I want to know.

And to make it REALLY fair, what % does that correspond to?

I betcha the following is true...

(Murders by Non-Permit-Holders / Total Number of Non-Permit Holders)

IS GREATER THAN

(Murders by Permit-Holders / Total Number of Permit Holders)

19 posted on 05/18/2010 6:55:28 AM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: Erik Latranyi

That is 53 a year.

53/300,000,000 = 00.0000176667%

Not even statistically viable.

Gunner


20 posted on 05/18/2010 6:55:46 AM PDT by weps4ret (Where is John Galt?)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I bet these assclowns are including people killed while committing crimes.


21 posted on 05/18/2010 6:55:47 AM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: cripplecreek; Daisyjane69
Yep, that's my question for them, too. They're way too focused to be meaningful.
They should also post under the auspices others like Knife Killers and Claw Hammer Killers as well as Barehanded Killers to maintain some intellectual honesty.


22 posted on 05/18/2010 6:56:48 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: csmusaret
Here's page 2 of the "citizens killed:"

Concealed Handgun Permit Holder: Vincent Williams
PENDING
Date: February 21, 2010
People Killed: 1
Circumstances: On February 21, 2010, 30-year-old Lashawn Davis was allegedly shot and killed by Vincent Williams, 31, outside an E-Z Mart convenience store in Jefferson County. Several witnesses told police that the two men had shot one another. According to a police report, Davis was found lumped in the driver’s seat of a 1999 gold Mercury Grand Marquis with his feet hanging out of the car and his body facing south. A .45 handgun was found nearby. Police found Williams on the south side of the store, bleeding, with a 9mm handgun nearby. Both men were transported to a local hospital where Davis was pronounced dead and Williams was taken into surgery. Williams reportedly told police that Davis had tried to steal his car. Williams had a concealed handgun permit.

One doesn't need to read very far to start seeing the bias and ridiculousness.

23 posted on 05/18/2010 6:56:55 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: Daisyjane69
Criminals in NY have killed more people per year than were killed in Iran and not Aghanistan. Liberals are against war and aginst armed citizens but are pro criminal carry and illegals.
24 posted on 05/18/2010 6:57:09 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

How many slippery bathtubs have caused deaths? Ban bathtubs!


25 posted on 05/18/2010 6:57:56 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: cripplecreek

Justified!

26 posted on 05/18/2010 6:58:26 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“presence of a handgun escalates an argument to a homicide”
Bull$#@%


27 posted on 05/18/2010 6:58:33 AM PDT by beefree
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To: Erik Latranyi

What percentage of the total number of concealed carry holders is this?

What percentage of the total number of gun crimes does this represent?

How many of the incidents occurred while the person was carrying, as opposed to while the person was at home?

So many questions, so little knee-jerk emotion....


28 posted on 05/18/2010 6:58:58 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Bless America)
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To: Daisyjane69
"How many murders have occurred by NON-permit holders since 2007?"

Far more. But of course, the VPC is, as usual (and like all leftists) lying by telling only part of the truth.

29 posted on 05/18/2010 6:59:30 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Daisyjane69

Between 16000 and 18000 are killed each year in the USA. Most gang and crime related.

Not known how many are illegal aliens who commit murder ...

I wonder why that stat isn’t as important if not more so. Since we can prevent illegal alien shootings, by closing the border, which will help reduce the number a lot, why not do that.


30 posted on 05/18/2010 7:00:16 AM PDT by Tarpon (Obama-Speak ... the fusion of sophistry and Newspeak. It's not a gift, it's just lies.)
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To: Daisyjane69

What percentage of total CC licensees do these numbers constitute? A very small number, no doubt, just like the statistically insignificant percentage of non-felon (i.e. illegal) gun owners who use guns in the commission of crimes.

The converse statistics never brought forward by these anti-gun groups are the deterence statisics that show that regions with CC laws in effect have far less gun crime and violent crime.


31 posted on 05/18/2010 7:02:04 AM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: Erik Latranyi
http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/ccwprivatecitizens.pdf page 7:

Concealed Handgun Permit Holder: Randy Reddick Jr. PENDING
Date: February 27, 2010
People Killed: 1
Circumstances: On February 27, 2010, a 10-year-old boy unintentionally shot and killed his older brother, Randy Reddick III, age 11, with his father’s 40-caliber Glock pistol. The boys’ father, Randy Reddick Jr., had forgotten to take his handgun out of the unlocked console of his Dodge pickup truck parked at the family’s Deerfield Beach residence when he asked the boys to retrieve his hat and coat from the vehicle’s front seat. A neighbor, Spencer Waymen, who was helping unload a moving van across the street, witnessed the shooting. Said Waymen, “Before I could get out of the U-Haul, the gun went off.” As he approached the scene, he saw the older boy lying on the ground in a pool of blood with a gunshot wound to the right side of his face. His younger brother jumped out of the truck yelling, “It went off by itself! I killed my brother!” According to news reports, the boys’ sister and father raced out of their apartment and became “hysterical.” Randy Reddick Jr., 31, had a valid concealed handgun permit.

I'm sure the 10 year old boy wasn't a CCW holder. Now they are counting accidents as murders by CCW holders?

32 posted on 05/18/2010 7:02:38 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: downtownconservative

Oops, I meant i.e. “not illegal”.


33 posted on 05/18/2010 7:06:12 AM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: Erik Latranyi
The Real Headline:

People Without Concealed Carry Permits Have Killed at Least 65% of Police Officers Since May 2007

34 posted on 05/18/2010 7:09:13 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: Erik Latranyi
http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/ccwprivatecitizens.pdf page 12:

Concealed Handgun Permit Holder: Narcisse “Nas” Antoine PENDING
Date: June 1, 2009
People Killed: 1
Circumstances: On June 1, 2009, Narcisse “Nas” Antoine allegedly shot and killed Brandon Thomas and wounded Jeffrey Thompson after an incident outside the Mystique Lounge in West Palm Beach. Antoine had a concealed handgun permit. According to his lawyer, Antoine was threatened by the two men and acted in self defense. Antoine was arrested and charged with second-degree murder and attempted first-degree murder.

Another self-defense counting the aggressor as "murdered." This document, if it wasn't so serious, would be laughable.

35 posted on 05/18/2010 7:12:54 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: Daisyjane69

exactly


36 posted on 05/18/2010 7:13:48 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: weps4ret
Turn on Channel 9 news(or any channel) covering Charlotte, NC and we already surpassed those numbers. Without a comment from our black readers Without a doubt 90%+ are black on black. Wonder how many are concealed weapon carriers. Every day the 6:00 or 11:00pm news will have shown another fatal shooting(black on black). Not a word from black mayor, black police chief, black news readers or black community leaders seem to worried.

As we all have seen; the victims are all upstanding citizens and good boys(5’ long rap sheets).

Charlotte has more killings in 6 months than is shown in this dumb report stat.

37 posted on 05/18/2010 7:14:02 AM PDT by captnorb
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To: Daisyjane69; Erik Latranyi
How many crimes were averted because the potential perp was shown or saw the firearm?

I despise the left.

38 posted on 05/18/2010 7:14:17 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, $10 is all it would take, why spend millions to cover it up?)
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To: Erik Latranyi

One other thought. We see more murders than these in a typical liberal produced Hollywood action movie.


39 posted on 05/18/2010 7:16:11 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, $10 is all it would take, why spend millions to cover it up?)
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To: eeevil conservative

Justified ... my favorite new show!


40 posted on 05/18/2010 7:16:59 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Erik Latranyi

Licensed drivers have killed at least 161 since Sunday.


41 posted on 05/18/2010 7:17:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: captnorb
I have always been repulsed by the term "Black on Black" crime. To me, it implies it would be better if it was "Black on White" or "Black on Asian" or "Black on Hispanic" crime.

We need to find out why there is a higher "Black" crime problem and try to resolve it while also trying to reduce crime from all others.

Where am I wrong?

42 posted on 05/18/2010 7:20:10 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, $10 is all it would take, why spend millions to cover it up?)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Adjectives needed — were they BAD guys? Were they pursuing criminal actions? Were they in the midst of robberies? Kidnappings? Raping and pillaging? Then it is not nearly enough...


43 posted on 05/18/2010 7:21:27 AM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: Erik Latranyi
One of the dead LEOs was an FBI agent, who kicked in the door of a CC licensed woman with two small children, hoping to arrest her husband on a drug charge.

The woman, with only one minor marijuana offense years before, thought she was being home invaded by armed robbers, and was trying to protect her children when she shot the FBI agent once, at a downward angle from the top of her stairs.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08326/929641-85.stm

Importantly, the FBI has seized all assets that could be used by her to defend herself, so her attorneys have been replaced by a public defender, and they have also arrested most of her other relatives on unrelated charges.

Her brother has now been arrested for possession of firearms by a convicted felon.

Her father and sister have been arrested for having a novelty poker playing machine in their store. Her father has also been arrested for possession of a blow gun and hunting knives, because they create a situation of "child endangerment."

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44 posted on 05/18/2010 7:22:31 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: SumProVita
Driver License Holders Have Killed at Least 161,285 Since May 2007, Including 97 LE Officers
45 posted on 05/18/2010 7:22:53 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 481 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Dan Nunn

Some folks just need killin’


46 posted on 05/18/2010 7:23:09 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“Concealed Handgun Permit Holders Have Killed at Least 161 Since May 2007”

Ummm ... ya know ... given the circumstances ... that’s kinda THE POINT?


47 posted on 05/18/2010 7:23:50 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Ours too!!

We had a “Justified” Party for the very first episode....and have done it every week since!

yup— every Tuesday about 7-10 folks gather here at the house. Everytime they show Wynona, we all sing out together, “Well, Hiiiii Wynona!”

It’s a riot! We have a great time— good food- great show— and Timothy Olyphant is dang nice eye candy to boot!


48 posted on 05/18/2010 7:24:10 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Erik Latranyi

This is equivalent to statements on immigration by the SPLC or the ADL,or ACLU(big overlap in membership there)-it is left wing hate filth.My response?Come take my guns,lefties.I would welcome the target rich environment.


49 posted on 05/18/2010 7:26:07 AM PDT by steamroller
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To: Repeat Offender

With a nukber l;ike that, obviously more practice is needed and too few perps are being terminated.


50 posted on 05/18/2010 7:27:41 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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