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Kagan and Sunstein Aim to Censor Free Speech: Web, Books, Radio
Sunstein, Kagan, Rush ^ | May 18th | Rush

Posted on 05/18/2010 2:30:45 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

SUNSTEIN: Sites of one point of view agree to provide links to other sites so that if you're reading a conservative magazine, they would provide a link to a liberal site, and vice-versa, just to make it easy for people to get access to competing views.

RUSH: Stop the tape, recue that. This is net neutrality.


TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: casssunstein; censorship; democrats; donttreadonme; elenakagan; fairnessdoctrine; fcc; firstamendment; freedom; internet; kagan; lawyers; lawyers2decide; lawyers4censorship; liberalfascism; netneutrality; obama; rush; sunstein; talkradio
This is what *THEY* mean by net neutrality. What you are being sold on is the lies. The lies that it's a good thing.


1 posted on 05/18/2010 2:30:45 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: antiRepublicrat

Which ISP is paying Elena Kagan, and by how much?

Which ISP is paying Cass Sunstein, and by how much?

Which ISP is paying Rush Limbaugh, and by how much?


2 posted on 05/18/2010 2:34:22 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Net Neutrality - I say a lot of un-neutral things. How about you?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

netbrutaliy.org


3 posted on 05/18/2010 2:42:12 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
SUNSTEIN: Sites of one point of view agree to provide links to other sites so that if you're reading a conservative magazine, they would provide a link to a liberal site, and vice-versa, just to make it easy for people to get access to competing views.

Hogwash.

Even on 501c3 non-partisan, non-advocacy sites which are PROHIBITED from taking sides, this is not the case today.

Look at the Viacommie tied MTV "Rock the Vote" links:

http://www.rockthevote.com/issues/

4 posted on 05/18/2010 2:42:20 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The poor left. They can’t get folks to go to their sites, so they have to resort to requiring the Right to link to them.


5 posted on 05/18/2010 2:43:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

net neutrality is just plain governmental control of what you read, hear and speak, There will be no such thing as a view and and opposing view being presented. Look at Obozo, Fox News and and his view of Fox News. Obozo and Rush Limbaugh and golfing together never will happen. Obozo is an the epitome of the south end of of a northbound donkey


6 posted on 05/18/2010 2:43:20 PM PDT by hondact200 ( Lincoln Freed the Enslaved. Obama Enslaves the Free. Obama is Americas Greatest Threat)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
SUNSTEIN: Sites of one point of view agree to provide links to other sites so that if you're reading a conservative magazine, they would provide a link to a liberal site, and vice-versa, just to make it easy for people to get access to competing views

Hey Cass, here's your "easy access link to a competing view."

7 posted on 05/18/2010 2:43:34 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

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The hostility towards liberty from people in power these days is just plain scary.


8 posted on 05/18/2010 2:44:40 PM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Lets start building those fake, pretend liberal websites we can link to. heh.


9 posted on 05/18/2010 2:46:33 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

And I suppose the web sites, particularly conservative ones, that will be offered under this program of net neutrality will obviously come from a prepared list.


10 posted on 05/18/2010 2:48:34 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: TheThinker

...or an “approved” list.


11 posted on 05/18/2010 2:49:11 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing


12 posted on 05/18/2010 2:55:04 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
How far do we sink before the knock on the door for Obama? Why are we accepting that a treasonous poser President should have the right to seat 'his choice' on SC?

What if the knock never comes? (Even allowing for 'vote' - should we have one - it will be too late.)

13 posted on 05/18/2010 2:55:25 PM PDT by cricket (We ARE the Truman Show)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing; All
Elena Kagan and her Socialist 'hero' Cass Sunstein

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From David Horowitz's
FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org

PROFILE: ELENA KAGAN

When it was announced in 2008 that Cass Sunstein would be joining the Harvard Law School faculty, Kagan said:

"Cass Sunstein is the preeminent legal scholar of our time -- the most wide-ranging, the most prolific, the most cited, and the most influential. His work in any one of the fields he pursues -- administrative law and policy, constitutional law and theory, behavioral economics and law, environmental law, to name a non-exhaustive few -- would put him in the very front ranks of legal scholars; the combination is singular and breathtaking."

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2398
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From David Horowitz's
FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org

PROFILE: CASS SUNSTEIN
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[Cass Sunstein on Socialism and "wealth redistribution"]:
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Sunstein has argued in favor of bringing socialism (in the form of expanded wefare benefits and wealth redistribution) to the United States, but contends that the country's "white majority" opposes such a development because of deep-seated racism:

"The absence of a European-style social welfare state is certainly connected with the widespread perception among the white majority that the relevant programs would disproportionately benefit African Americans (and more recently Hispanics)."

Sunstein depicts socialist nations as being more committed than their capitalist counterparts to the welfare of their own citizens:

"During the Cold War, the debate about [social welfare] guarantees took the form of pervasive disagreement between the United States and its communist adversaries. Americans emphasized the importance of civil and political liberties, above all free speech and freedom of religion, while communist nations stressed the right to a job, health care, and a social minimum."

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[Cass Sunstein on "Climate Change" and "distributive justice"]:
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In 2007 Sunstein co-authored (with fellow attorney Eric A. Posner) a 39-page University of Chicago Law School paper titled "Climate Change Justice," which held that it was "desirable" for America to pay "justice" to poorer nations by entering into a compensation agreement that would result in a financial loss for the United States. The paper refers several times to "distributive justice."

Sunstein and Posner further speculate about the possibility of achieving this redistribution by means other than direct payments:


14 posted on 05/18/2010 2:59:30 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
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From David Horowitz's
FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org

PROFILE: ELENA KAGAN

As an undergraduate at Princeton, Kagan wrote a senior thesis titled

"To the Final Conflict: Socialism in New York City, 1900-1933."

In the "Acknowledgments" section of her work, she specifically thanked her brother Marc, “whose involvement in radical causes led me to explore the history of American radicalism in the hope of clarifying my own political ideas.” In the body of the thesis, Kagan wrote:

"In our own times, a coherent socialist movement is nowhere to be found in the United States. Americans are more likely to speak of a golden past than of a golden future, of capitalism’s glories than of socialism’s greatness. Conformity overrides dissent; the desire to conserve has overwhelmed the urge to alter. Such a state of affairs cries out for explanation. Why, in a society by no means perfect, has a radical party never attained the status of a major political force? Why, in particular, did the socialist movement never become an alternative to the nation’s established parties?...

"Through its own internal feuding, then, the SP [Socialist Party] exhausted itself forever and further reduced labor radicalism in New York to the position of marginality and insignificance from which it has never recovered. The story is a sad but also a chastening one for those who, more than half a century after socialism’s decline, still wish to change America. Radicals have often succumbed to the devastating bane of sectarianism; it is easier, after all, to fight one’s fellows than it is to battle an entrenched and powerful foe. Yet if the history of Local New York shows anything, it is that American radicals cannot afford to become their own worst enemies. In unity lies their only hope."

Lots more on Kagan here:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2398
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Link to Kagan's complete thesis here (pdf file):
http://www.redstate.com/erick/files/2010/05/kaganthesis.pdf


15 posted on 05/18/2010 3:00:59 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Sunstein needs to spend some time in a rubber room.


16 posted on 05/18/2010 3:01:44 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: DoughtyOne

Nothing like being force fed.

And what would the leftist rags link to?

Absolutely nothing but other leftist rags.


17 posted on 05/18/2010 3:02:15 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: GeronL

http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm


18 posted on 05/18/2010 3:03:47 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

They’d be forced to link to the MSM. That way folks could get opposing opinions. LOL


19 posted on 05/18/2010 3:08:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Just think if Thomas Paine had to attach a “Defense of Monarchy” to each of his pamphlets!


20 posted on 05/18/2010 3:15:12 PM PDT by plangent
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Who decides what is the appropriate “opposing site”?

And who decides what is the appropriate “opposing view”?

This assumes that there is such a thing as an opposing view, and not a nearly infinite spectrum of ideas.


21 posted on 05/18/2010 3:27:33 PM PDT by marron
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To: plangent

Good one. Of course that’s a pretty complicated example, for lefties to grasp. Of they probably think we really screwed up by using force to gain our freedom too.


22 posted on 05/18/2010 3:33:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: plangent
Sorry, I had written "Of course they, and sought to just say they, but didn't back space far enough, and capitalize the "T" in they.

Good one. Of course that's a pretty complicated example, for lefties to grasp. Of they probably think we really screwed up by using force to gain our freedom too.

23 posted on 05/18/2010 3:35:16 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: nolongerademocrat
Sunstein needs to spend some time in a rubber room.

I wonder if the issue of Kagan's admiration for this one-world government socialist will come up at the hearings. Probably not.

24 posted on 05/18/2010 3:39:24 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Kagan will be sitting on the court lickety split.


25 posted on 05/18/2010 3:51:05 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

We are one vote away from the confiscation of every privately owned gun.

We are one vote away from the complete Stalinist eradication of every Christian symbol from public life.

We are one vote away from the insane notion that the Constitution guarantees full and complete health care, a home and a job to everyone who wants one.

We are one vote away from the forced governmental dismantling of the First Amendment, through every medium including the internet and the radio.

We are one vote away from New Haven Fire Fighters becoming the law of the land, when your child’s grades, years of study, and hard work are thrown down the sewer of political correctness if the racial outcome does not meet the pyscho-left’s definition of racial equality.

We are one vote away from the eradication of property rights.

We are one vote away from the takeover of private industry by the government.

We are one vote away from mandated sterilizations and the decree that humans and their breath are a form of pollution.

We are one vote away from Big Brother - just one, and they will not relent because these appointments are of a very extremist nature with a leftist political agenda. They mean to change America through the will of leftist judges - and not through the ballot box because their ideology is rejected.

Our sacred Bill of Rights will be gone. The power of the State will not be stopped.


26 posted on 05/18/2010 4:44:39 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: DoughtyOne

LMBO!!


27 posted on 05/18/2010 6:24:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

;-)


28 posted on 05/18/2010 6:30:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.) “

Denial Blvd?

I know where that is.

It’s down at the end of lonely street by

Heartbreak Hotel....


29 posted on 05/18/2010 7:10:04 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: nolongerademocrat

And the Repubs don’t think this appointment merits a filibuster. Net neutrality makes me sick. They could force you to look at the linked opposing opinion site with a pop up or some other script. Can you friggin’ imagine how that would work on Free Republic? Please someone find out something about this Kagan POS that would eliminate her from consideration SINCE THE REPUBLICANS ARE TOO LAZY OR CO-OPTED TO STOP HER. This is really really bad news and it is only the beginning of the censorship from these creeps.


30 posted on 05/18/2010 7:15:11 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Natural Born 54

I can’t say what I would like to say.


31 posted on 05/18/2010 7:24:54 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

Ditto.


32 posted on 05/18/2010 7:45:18 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Titus-Maximus

Everyone, do we just chat about the possible outcome, or do we do what our Forefathers and patriots of yore did?

I’d rather fight than chat...get your spine and balls in gear, your courage intact, prayers in order and STOP THE ENEMY. PERIOD. Who will be our General U.S. Grant, our General Dwight Eisenhower, our????

We know what we’re up against. Let’s get to work.


33 posted on 05/18/2010 7:46:29 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Titus-Maximus

And those who vote are one vote away from (censored).


34 posted on 05/18/2010 7:47:38 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Bring it you wussies! Keep waking up the soul of the country!

The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoW4aIRIa6A


35 posted on 05/18/2010 7:56:13 PM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Which ISP is paying Elena Kagan, and by how much? Which ISP is paying Cass Sunstein, and by how much? Which ISP is paying Rush Limbaugh, and by how much?

This is how an astroturf movement works. You pay the organizations to convince others of your view, hiding your involvement. Plus it is likely that Limbaugh is against the left's "internet fairness doctrine" under the name net neutrality, and not net neutrality itself. He is a content provider, and would be one of those who would have to pay the ISPs if they got their way.

36 posted on 05/19/2010 5:43:44 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
No, Rush, that is fairness doctrine. Net neutrality has nothing to do with content. In fact, it requires being blind to content. Let's make it simple:

If net neutrality were the law, fairness doctrine would be illegal.

37 posted on 05/19/2010 5:46:15 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

-——————This is how an astroturf movement works.-——————

This isn’t the only way astroturf movements work. Astroturf organizations like ABC or CNN or NYT or WaPo are quite different.

-—————Plus it is likely that Limbaugh is against the left’s “internet fairness doctrine” under the name net neutrality, and not net neutrality itself.-——————

At this point, that’s the only net neutrality that’s left standing.

That’s the net neutrality I oppose.

That’s the net neutrality they want.

And it’s the net neutrality you should oppose too.


38 posted on 05/19/2010 9:46:51 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Net Neutrality - I say a lot of un-neutral things. How about you?)
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To: antiRepublicrat
-------------Net neutrality has nothing to do with content.------------

I don't see how you can say that.

The left is practically in your face telling you straight up that they want to silence you and you've got your fingers in your ears.

Why won't you listen to them? It's not like they're even trying to beat around the bush here. They're being quite open about it. What's so seductive about ignoring all of this?

39 posted on 05/19/2010 9:49:32 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Net Neutrality - I say a lot of un-neutral things. How about you?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Oh, were you that guy with the gray slicker on? LOL


40 posted on 05/19/2010 9:51:11 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I’ll tell you what’s seductive about it - They like their BitTorrent downloads (for whatever reasons) and don’t want to see ISP have the right to throttle these back simply because they’re literally killing their networks.

THAT is the core concern of 98% of Net ‘Neutrality’ proponents. I know, because I work with about two dozen ‘advocates’, and this is their sole reason.

Quite a small price they’re willing to trade for your liberty, isn’t it?


44 posted on 05/19/2010 1:40:30 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: gnurr; Halfmanhalfamazing
Well, DUH. If I pay for a 5MB connection, of course the guy who sold it to me doesn't have any right to throttle it back, any more than a butcher has a right to put his thumb on the scale when he sells me a pound of meat.

That guy has the right to do whatever it says in the contract that you agreed to when you established service with him. He may have sold you a 5MB capable circuit, but that doesn't mean he can't throttle what comes across it, if that's specified in your service terms that he can.

Step back for a second and ask yourself - considering that there are dozens of national ISP's, and several completely Wi-Fi based ISP's (like Clear Networks) which are picking up market share rapidly. If the big dogs really start heavy throttling of their traffic at the consumer level, do you actually think a competitor is not going to compete with that by offering 100% unfettered service? Even if the big dogs throttle specific traffic at the backbone level, there will even be a backbone provider who will not choose that business model, and who will see not going that route as a competitive advantage.

You seem very apt to bring the government in to solve a problem which is practically a case study waiting to happen in how the free market works. Why do you really feel that Government will serve the interests of the people if given this enormous regulation power?
46 posted on 05/19/2010 3:26:02 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

btt


49 posted on 05/19/2010 4:44:07 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

(from the link, before it disappears)

=========Cass Sunstein was hired by Elena Kagan for the Harvard Law faculty, and in 2008 she said of Cass Sunstein, “Cass Sunstein is the preeminent legal scholar of your time,” and you just heard the Cass Sunstein audio sound bite about net neutrality and he’s a big pusher of this negative versus positive rights version of the Constitution.==========

========”While it isn’t always fair to ascribe personally to solicitors general the positions they argue in court on the government’s behalf, it is fair if the arguments they use in court echo ones they made in private practice. Ms. Kagan’s record suggests her personal views match her solicitor arguments. In a 1996 University of Chicago Law Review article, she argued that speech restrictions are allowable if the government’s ‘motive’ is acceptably nonideological. In dense academic prose, Ms. Kagan openly mused about the merits of ‘redistribution of expression.’==========


50 posted on 10/08/2010 4:23:02 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Minority Report 2: Tea Party Participant)
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