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Competititive high profile race for US Senate in Pennsylvania could have cost Tim Burns
vanity | May 18, 2010 | steelers6

Posted on 05/18/2010 6:54:11 PM PDT by Steelers6

We needed Toomey to GOTV but he really had the , if it had been Toomey v Specter I think Burns would have had a much better chance of winning. Turnout was key and having competitive Senate and Governors races helped the Democrats turn out nearly 1 million voters.

Burns also has a serious primary challenge by Bill Russell since he ran against Murtha last time out.

It would be wild if Burns pulls this out against Critz but loses the primary to Russel, a lame duck unless he can run Independent like Charley Crist.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: burns; critz; keyhouseraces; khr; sestak; specter
Your opinions.
1 posted on 05/18/2010 6:54:12 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: Steelers6
Your opinions.

My opinion is that Pennsylvania is a lost cause and 'Most Especially' .. Philadelphia.

2 posted on 05/18/2010 7:01:55 PM PDT by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Steelers6

What were the election results and how many write ins did Russell get?


3 posted on 05/18/2010 7:05:26 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Steelers6

A loser of a primary is not allowed to run in the general according to PA’s “sore loser” law.

It’s entirely possible that Burns could win the set for a few months, but lose the primary to Russell. We’ll know soon enough.


4 posted on 05/18/2010 7:07:24 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Can you run as an Independent if you lose a partisan primary. Like Liebermann or maybe Bennett might do.


5 posted on 05/18/2010 7:11:53 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: Steelers6

yes it did.


6 posted on 05/18/2010 7:13:59 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Steelers6

Once again the local GOP big wigs screwed the pooch by picking Burns for the special election instead of Russell who almost beat Murtha last time. But Burns is rich and can contribute to the local GOP big wigs’ campaigns.

Sometimes (most of the time) I hate the GOP establishment.


7 posted on 05/18/2010 7:17:56 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: Steelers6

No. That’s what I just said. If you lose a primary you are forbidden from running as a sore loser in the general.

According to Wikipedia,

” in fact only the states of Connecticut, Iowa, New York and Vermont don’t have either a sore-loser law or simultaneous registration deadlines.[citation needed].”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sore-loser_law


8 posted on 05/18/2010 7:24:41 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Thanks for the info, that’s why Charley Crist got out before the primary.


9 posted on 05/18/2010 7:27:30 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: plinyelder

Philly is the probably the only reason it goes dem every election. It use to be solid repub for a while....


10 posted on 05/18/2010 7:31:49 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: Steelers6

Don’t forget the DCCC had to bail out on the Hawaii seat in order to shove money into PA-12.

They’re pretty much conceded the Hawaii seat to Djou, a Republican.


11 posted on 05/18/2010 7:35:09 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Russell was one of reasons we lost this. He was trying to primary Burns for no reason.


12 posted on 05/18/2010 7:38:54 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: plinyelder

I agree with you. Forget trying to ever get anything in Pennsylvania anymore. The machine has the game rigged and most of the Reagan democrats there are either dead or retired in Florida.

Move on GOP. Put resources in regaining States like CO, NC, etc.


13 posted on 05/18/2010 7:41:10 PM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Steelers6

Exactly. He could not wait until after.


14 posted on 05/18/2010 7:42:12 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Steelers6

The conservative camp is divided and too much infighting to make any dent nationally.

I think the Dems will still keep control of house and senate majorities this november.


15 posted on 05/18/2010 7:43:52 PM PDT by GregH
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To: Steelers6

on to 2012.. we’re building a farm club , not everybody makes it to the majors first shot..


16 posted on 05/18/2010 7:47:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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2008 Final - 12th District, PA
Murtha 58.1%
Rusell 41.9%

2010 (84.82% in)
Critz 53.4%
Burns 44.3%
Agoris 2.3%

A significant improvement but obviously disappointing. Of course Critz ran as a conservative; still a disappointment at best.


17 posted on 05/18/2010 7:53:47 PM PDT by Da Mav
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To: Daisyjane69

When is the Hawaii election, shouldn’t we be helping Djou with donations and calls?


18 posted on 05/18/2010 8:07:23 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: Steelers6

I believe voting has already begun. They use a mail-in voting system.

http://www.djou.com/


19 posted on 05/18/2010 8:13:24 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Truth is a Weapon
Once again the local GOP big wigs screwed the pooch by picking Burns for the special election instead of Russell who almost beat Murtha last time

Nothing against Bill Russell but why do people keep repeating this about the Murtha/Russell race? Murtha beat Russell by 17%, hardly a nail-biter, yet I keep hearing that Russell "almost" beat Murtha.

For all the money Burns had, he ran a crap-ass campaign. Never answered deceptive yet effective ads run against him by SEIU about his support for the Fair Tax, and never challenged Critz's claim that he was a pro-life, pro-gun conservative.

20 posted on 05/18/2010 8:22:40 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Shethink13

Why would anyone allow a politician to claim he was “pro-jobs” like Critz did, without blasting the obvious response.

That being that all politicians are nominally “pro-jobs” and it is idiotic to claim such. If Burns wanted to win he should have pointed out how PA had been spending gov’t money for the last 40 years trying to decide who the favorite companies are. Instead, a rational answer for any economy is to be “pro-jobs” by having the gov’t get the @#$% out of the way by lowering taxes, regulations and union barriers to entry and change.

We will never get better in this state until some politicians start applying rational economics. It might not work in the first election, but keep pointing out that we are continually screwed by doing the same thing decade after decade, and maybe eventually the electorate will be desperate to try something different.

Like trying to attract business and new entrepreneurs by actually being policy-wise open to new business and entrepreneurs.

The sooner the GOP or SOMEBODY starts providing a choice, not an echo, the sooner we might actually be able to win an argument.


21 posted on 05/18/2010 8:50:17 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Steelers6; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; randita; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; smoothsailing; ...

I had the same thought.


22 posted on 05/18/2010 9:06:25 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: Shethink13

I’ve heard that the district is 2/3 Democrat (not unlike the entire state of Maryland). If Burns loses, that will be one of the reasons.

If it were 2/3 Republican, Burns could probably sit on his butt and still squeak out a victory, as far as bad campaigns go.


23 posted on 05/18/2010 9:07:55 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (70 mph shouldn't be a speed limit; it shoud be a mandate!)
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To: Steelers6

I suppose you could, but the reason that Djou will win this one is because the Democrat vote is split between 2 candidates who are both running as D’s. The district is heavily D, and Djou will probably enter his fleeting term as a lame duck-in-the-making.


24 posted on 05/18/2010 9:10:36 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (70 mph shouldn't be a speed limit; it shoud be a mandate!)
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