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The Technicality Generation
New York Times ^ | May 18, 2010 | Larry Pressler

Posted on 05/19/2010 5:18:44 AM PDT by C19fan

THE problems faced by Richard Blumenthal, Connecticut’s attorney general, over his depiction of his military service are indicative of a broader disease in our society. The issues of integrity in business and politics that plague us today — the way elites are no longer trusted — are rooted in the dishonesty that surrounded the Vietnam-era draft.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boomers; vietnam

1 posted on 05/19/2010 5:18:44 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

I’ll get the popcorn...


2 posted on 05/19/2010 5:22:07 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: C19fan

Good article and it goes to a larger more broad discussion of the Blumenthal charade. I think there’s a lot of truth to what he said.


3 posted on 05/19/2010 5:29:02 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: C19fan
The problem is that for every person who won a deferment or a spot in a special National Guard unit, someone poorer or less educated, and usually African-American, had to serve.

I thought that this was shown to be total BS.

4 posted on 05/19/2010 5:35:25 AM PDT by Tribune7 (It is immoral to claim the tea parties to be racist)
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To: C19fan
Too many members of my generation learned to believe that they could work within the law to evade basic responsibilities, cloaking their actions in idealism. It’s a way of thinking that scars us to this day.

It's all about situational ethics and good intentions. Liberals think that they can do anything they want and get away with it because they are such good and noble people.

5 posted on 05/19/2010 5:38:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Tribune7
I thought that this was shown to be total BS.

Me too. The statistics that I've seen show that blacks were slightly under-represented in Vietnam - not over-represented.

6 posted on 05/19/2010 5:43:03 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Too many members of my generation learned to believe that they could work within the law to evade basic responsibilities, cloaking their actions in idealism. It’s a way of thinking that scars us to this day.

Hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue and is as old as mankind. Boomers didn't invent it and were quite clumsy in applying it and most reluctant to recognize or acknowlege it. Get over yourselves.

7 posted on 05/19/2010 5:45:44 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: C19fan
Too many members of my generation learned to believe that they could work within the law to evade basic responsibilities, cloaking their actions in idealism. It’s a way of thinking that scars us to this day.

This strikes me as "victimology." They lied to gain the deferments. Now, they're still lying whether it's about serving in Vietnam, cheating on their spouse, or taking sweetheart deals on their mortgages. It's a lack of ethics, not victims of their success in shirking their duty.

8 posted on 05/19/2010 5:56:15 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Bless America)
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“The concept of using legal technicalities to evade responsibility has been carried over to playing with derivatives, or to short-changing shareholders. Once my generation got in the habit of saying one thing and believing another, it couldn’t stop.”

This “habit” also appears to have infected Bill Clinton, another infamous lying draft dodger who later found it difficult to clearly define the meaning of “sex” or “is.” Indeed, members of his own party labeled him “an accomplished liar” (given their fondness for this ex-president, it is not altogether clear whether such remarks were intended to convey disdain or admiration).


9 posted on 05/19/2010 6:00:32 AM PDT by DrC
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The concept of using legal technicalities to evade responsibility has been carried over to playing with derivatives, or to short-changing shareholders. Once my generation got in the habit of saying one thing and believing another, it couldn’t stop.

Or...The technicality of "I did not have sex with that woman!" Or...It depends upon what the meaning of "is" is!

And...Now we likely have a USURPER in the White House because no one in the GOP, judiciary, both the House and Senate, the Electoral College, no governor, no state attorney general or secretary of state, the MSM, and conservative media had the guts to demand that Obama prove he is a natural born citizen! It's just a "technicality", you see!

10 posted on 05/19/2010 6:06:13 AM PDT by wintertime
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Some day, and soon I am afraid, the issue of deferments and draft numbers will be a reality again. And the grandparents who danced around the rules in the sixties will be aghast that the teenagers of today will not get the breaks they got.

And the kids today will have to pay for “their” mistakes, again.


11 posted on 05/19/2010 6:44:12 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (This nation, of the people, by the people, and for the people has perished from the land.)
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To: Tribune7; mbynack
Not sure of the exact statistics in Vietnam, or the draft, but this usually holds true and was true when I served.

Blacks and Hispanics are overrepresented among the ranks. They are, however and for whatever reasons, more likely to be in a support position and less likely to be on the “front lines”. Thus our combat fatalities are fairly well distributed among the racial groups in the U.S. military, if you think keeping track of such things is important.

That being said, as Blacks and Hispanics are less likely to be able to afford a college deferment, or have the contacts to get a different type of deferment or a spot in a National Guard unit; every deferment that was “bought” left a spot open that someone poorer and/or less educated was most likely to fill. Demographically the poorer and less educated in the USA are more likely to be Black or Hispanic than the richer and more educated segments of society.

Just my 0.02$.

12 posted on 05/19/2010 6:59:31 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
Just my 0.02$.

And it's appreciated.Thanks.

13 posted on 05/19/2010 7:08:42 AM PDT by Tribune7 (It is immoral to claim the tea parties to be racist)
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One reason I have heard that Blacks and Hispanics are overrepresented among support positions rather than combat positions is that usually there are two reasons young men (they are still mostly men) join the military; either economic or patriotic.

Patriotic enlistees usually want to serve in a ‘blood and bullets’ situation; and tend to gravitate towards combat positions.

Economic enlistees usually want to make a 20 year go of it and gravitate towards support positions.

Because of their over-representation among the poorer segments of US society, Blacks and Hispanics tend to be among those who join for economic reasons. And those who join for economic reasons, of whatever race, tend to gravitate towards support positions.

14 posted on 05/19/2010 7:16:18 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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The stats I saw were:

Though the notion persists that those who died in Vietnam were mostly members of a minority group, it's not true. About 5 percent of KIAs were Hispanic and 12.5 percent were black -- making both minorities slightly under-represented in their proportion of draft-age males in the national population.

It comes from a web page called FACT VS FICTION.....THE VIETNAM VETERAN

Fact Versus Fiction - The Vietnam Veteran

15 posted on 05/19/2010 8:16:10 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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Slightly under-represented among KIA’s is certainly not over-represented among KIA’s, as the popular meme of ‘Black boys and brown boys dying while white boys went to college’ that is popular among Leftists.

“Slightly under-respresented” as KIA’s among their proportion of draft-age males is basically ‘almost proportional’.

Consistent with the figures I cited. While over-represented overall in the ranks, they roughly fall out as the same proportion as draft age males among the population as far as “front line” troops.

Still, getting drafted is not the same as getting KIA’d. For every privileged young man who purchased or finagled a deferment, a less privileged young man was drafted to fill that slot.

As a volunteer member of a professional soldiery, I share the contempt that professional soldiers have LONG held for conscripted troops. Moreover I think conscription is a form of involuntary servitude incompatible with our rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

As Heinlein pointed out...

“No nation has the inherent right to survive by use of conscripted troops; and in the end, no nation ever has. Roman matrons used to tell their sons “Come back with this shield, or UPON it.”; later this custom declined.... so did Rome.”

16 posted on 05/19/2010 8:29:40 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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