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Should the Ft. Hood Shooting Victims Receive the Purple Heart?
WOAI ^ | 5/19/10 | Jim Forsyth

Posted on 05/19/2010 7:04:39 AM PDT by laotzu

A major question is swirling around the 13 US service personnel who were killed, and the 30 who were wounded in the Ft. Hood shooting in November.

Central Texas Congressman John Carter (R-Tx), who represents Ft. Hood and Killeen, is introducing a measure in Congress to award the 43 victims of the shooting by Maj. Nadal Hasan the Purple Heart, and the benefits which come from being awarded the decoration.

“All these things are already given to soldiers who are killed or injured in combat,” Carter said, “And I think they should be extended to those soldiers who were killed or injured at Ft. Hood.”

The citation for the Purple Heart, which is the country’s oldest military decoration, and the first combat honor in the world which was granted to soldiers and not simply to officers and commanders, specifically states that to receive the Purple Heart, the recipient must have been killed or wounded ‘in combat.’

“This bill will treat them as if they had been killed or wounded in a combat zone, and will give them the benefits we give to combat casualties,” Carter said.

The problem from the Army’s point of view is that the suspected gunman, Maj. Nadal Hasan, is being handled as a criminal. He is facing 13 specifications of first degree murder and 30 specifications of first degree attempted murder, and is facing a court martial, possibly later this year. If Hasan is convicted, the Army says it will seek the death penalty.

If the victims of Hasan’s rampage are reclassified as combat casualties, miltiary authorities are afraid that would open the door for Hasan to claim he is an ‘enemy combatant,’ which would forbid the government from placing him on trial and would grant him privileges under the Geneva Convention for Prisoners of War.

Hasan allegedly opened fire on soldiers and their families at a mustering station at Ft. Hood on November 5th. He is charged with firing indiscriminately at military personnel who were preparing to deploy to Afghanistan, due to his concerns about being deployed into the war zone.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allahakbar; enemycombatant; enemywithin; forthood; fthood; hasan; johncarter; military; purpleheart; purplehearts; traitor
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Fast track his execution(I'm free next thursday), and then award purple hearts.
1 posted on 05/19/2010 7:04:39 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

Domestic terrorism, not warfare.
The Purple Heart was created for a specific reason, but not this reason.


2 posted on 05/19/2010 7:06:14 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: laotzu

Didn’t the War on Terror come to Fort Hood? Yes, Purple Hearts.


3 posted on 05/19/2010 7:06:28 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: SJSAMPLE

Agree completely.

That would be akin to the medals that are now being given out for ‘restraint’.

What has happened to our military?


4 posted on 05/19/2010 7:07:11 AM PDT by Carley (WE CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM OUR HOUSE)
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To: laotzu

I think they should but only if its noted that they are casualties in a war our government refuses to acknowledge.


5 posted on 05/19/2010 7:07:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: laotzu

Yes!


6 posted on 05/19/2010 7:08:22 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: laotzu

Gallows humor! Pun intended.


7 posted on 05/19/2010 7:08:25 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: SJSAMPLE

Domestic terrorism my ass.


8 posted on 05/19/2010 7:09:21 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: laotzu

No question that the Purple Heart should be awarded to each of the victims of that act of war committed by the traitor, Hasan.

Hasan should also face a firing squad. Again, no question about it.


9 posted on 05/19/2010 7:09:24 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: laotzu
The problem from the Army’s point of view is that the suspected gunman, Maj. Nadal Hasan, is being handled as a criminal.

There's the problem in a nutshell. Our gub'mint, via the DoD, considers Hasan a run of the mill criminal, not the enemy combatant that he is.

10 posted on 05/19/2010 7:09:37 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Tea Party. We are the party of NO! NO to more government! NO to more spending! NO to more taxation!)
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To: laotzu
As Barack Hussein Obama might say to his Islamofascist brethren, Major Nadal Hasan "captured the imaginations of the world."
11 posted on 05/19/2010 7:10:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Domestic terrorism, not warfare.

Bullshiite.

12 posted on 05/19/2010 7:10:25 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Tea Party. We are the party of NO! NO to more government! NO to more spending! NO to more taxation!)
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To: laotzu

I feel for these guys, but what’s next? They get a Combat Action Ribbon (CAR)? If you designate Fort Hood a combat zone, you would have to give them a CAR also. You would have to give everyone there who served at Fort Hood during that time hazardous duty pay for that month. This is political grandstanding. You can certainly memorialize them and recognize their sacrifices but not give them medals for this.


13 posted on 05/19/2010 7:10:46 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: laotzu

“miltiary authorities are afraid that would open the door for Hasan to claim he is an ‘enemy combatant,’ which would forbid the government from placing him on trial and would grant him privileges under the Geneva Convention for Prisoners of War. “

If he were classified as an enemy combatant and was wearing a U.S. military uniform, how would that not make him a spy, and mean his swift and most thorough execution? It doesn’t seem to me that he would come close to meeting the criteria for Geneva Convention treatment.


14 posted on 05/19/2010 7:10:51 AM PDT by Humble Servant ( See y'all in the gulag.)
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To: TexasCajun

“Didn’t the War on Terror come to Fort Hood? Yes, Purple Hearts”.

...an earlier post stated “domestic terror” but I agree with your post. The shooter is a terrorist who sides with the enemy no matter what the media says or how they try to spin it.


15 posted on 05/19/2010 7:11:19 AM PDT by albie
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To: SJSAMPLE

” Domestic terrorism, not warfare. “

I disagree. This was a military installation, not a shopping mall.


16 posted on 05/19/2010 7:12:09 AM PDT by Humble Servant ( See y'all in the gulag.)
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To: laotzu

Duh...Yes


17 posted on 05/19/2010 7:12:15 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: laotzu

From a technical awards perspective, they can receive the Purple Heart if they were attacked as part of the War on Terror. I believe that Obama does not think this was in any way associated with the WOT and as such, will not allow the award.


18 posted on 05/19/2010 7:13:10 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SJSAMPLE

Islam’s war against the US. You’ve never been in a more serious war for your survival.


19 posted on 05/19/2010 7:13:24 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

” Domestic terrorism, not warfare. “

I disagree. This was a military installation, not a shopping mall.


20 posted on 05/19/2010 7:14:15 AM PDT by Humble Servant ( See y'all in the gulag.)
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To: taxcontrol
I believe that Obama does not think this was in any way associated with the WOT and as such, will not allow the award.

Obama is perfectly aware what it was. It was one of his fellow islamic warriors attacking the enemy. So of course he'll obfuscate however he can.

21 posted on 05/19/2010 7:15:56 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: laotzu

Yes, they were wounded in a WAR! While we’re at it, giving them guns so they can shoot back next time might also be a good idea!


22 posted on 05/19/2010 7:16:43 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: laotzu

No, but they should demand justice; violently if need be.
They should also “spit venom” at the Army command that had a responsibility to protect them and utterly failed.

But then, I suppose that’s par-for-course when you consider the cases of: 1) Jessica Gonzales, and 2) Linda Riss.
{ See: http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kasler-protection.html
and http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html }


23 posted on 05/19/2010 7:16:46 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
A volunteer has vowed to protect the Constitution and the country, even with his life, 24/7.

It doesn't matter if it is a sneak attack at lunch time while chatting with your bud, flirting with a nurse or transitioning from one place to another.

An attack is an act of war and at that moment, whether in full battle array or not, we are at war.

Purple hearts all around.

24 posted on 05/19/2010 7:17:42 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: laotzu
wot would chesty say!

Do it!

Semper Fidelis!

Dick Gaines

25 posted on 05/19/2010 7:18:36 AM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: Howie66

**Hasan should also face a firing squad. Again, no question about it.**

All 43 should receive the Purple Heart. The Survivors should be invited to be a member of Shithead’s FIRING SQUAD, and also be invited to the Dismissal with DISHONOR, of that General who was more concerned about the Military’s ...diversity!


26 posted on 05/19/2010 7:19:42 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (The one thing we learn from history is .. People REFUSE to Learn from History!!)
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To: laotzu

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Why wouldn’t these soldiers get their purple hearts?


27 posted on 05/19/2010 7:20:04 AM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: laotzu

Why not? Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.


28 posted on 05/19/2010 7:21:16 AM PDT by shiva
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To: SJSAMPLE

I agree. Although these soldiers should be recognized the Military Regulations for the issuance of a Purple Heart are in no way met by those stationed at Fort Hood. It is unfortunate but the case.

From Paragraph 2-8, Army Regulation 600-8-22 (Military Awards) 25 February 1995

a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded-

(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.

(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces.

(5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force

(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed services concerned if persons from more than one service are wounded in the attack.

(7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.


29 posted on 05/19/2010 7:21:26 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: laotzu

“Victim” and Purple Heart don’t sound right together.


30 posted on 05/19/2010 7:22:22 AM PDT by BallyBill (WARNING:Taking me serious could cause stress related illness.)
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To: laotzu
Fast track his execution(I'm free next thursday), and then award purple hearts.

Dont forget the first terrorist attack: Purple Hearts for PVT Long and PFC Esagawa when Muhammad shot them in the recruiter station in Little Rock.

31 posted on 05/19/2010 7:22:55 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

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Bump


32 posted on 05/19/2010 7:23:00 AM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: laotzu
Give it to them!



Lamh Foistenach Abu!
33 posted on 05/19/2010 7:24:08 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: gunnyg

This where do you define as the dividing line between civilian victim and military victim?

In your opinion then, all military personnel who were wounded during 911 also should be awarded Purple Hearts, correct?


34 posted on 05/19/2010 7:26:10 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("You cannot defeat an enemy you will not define.")
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To: Humble Servant
..how would that not make him a spy, and mean his swift and most thorough execution?

Excellent point. Good Freeping.

35 posted on 05/19/2010 7:27:34 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: gunnyg

Before you answer look at Post 29 and get the facts.


36 posted on 05/19/2010 7:27:49 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("You cannot defeat an enemy you will not define.")
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To: laotzu

“Fast track his execution(I’m free next thursday),... “

I am off too! I’ll help in any way!!


37 posted on 05/19/2010 7:27:59 AM PDT by 2dogjoe (Have a Blessed Day)
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To: TADSLOS
not the enemy combatant that he is.

I wouldn't even dare call him that. Call him and try him what he is. A Traitor.

38 posted on 05/19/2010 7:28:08 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: shiva
Why not? Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

Comparing the Purple heart to the nobel piss prize? Even if you would've put a sarc tag on it...... that's just ignorant.

39 posted on 05/19/2010 7:32:55 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: SJSAMPLE
In a way, I see your point, but each of these individuals is more deserving that John Kerry.

Question...in Gulf War I, there was a muslim Sergeant who blew away some officers while they slept...did those officers get PHs?

40 posted on 05/19/2010 7:33:08 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: B4Ranch

phv**! the facts and feed yez f!sh!

:)


41 posted on 05/19/2010 7:33:16 AM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: B4Ranch

right Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, Etc.

wot would Chesty say!


42 posted on 05/19/2010 7:34:56 AM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: gunnyg

Then declare CONUS as a combat zone and we’ll get this fight rolling.


43 posted on 05/19/2010 7:36:08 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("You cannot defeat an enemy you will not define.")
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To: laotzu

The country is in a war on terror and the those soldiers were killed and wounded by a terrorist. Terrorists have been plotting to attack our military bases for years, Fort Hood was just their first successful attack. I think those people deserve to be awarded a purple heart.


44 posted on 05/19/2010 7:37:28 AM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: taxcontrol; Humble Servant

>“miltiary authorities are afraid that would open the door for Hasan to claim he is an ‘enemy combatant,’ which would forbid the government from placing him on trial and would grant him privileges under the Geneva Convention for Prisoners of War. “

If he were classified as an enemy combatant and was wearing a U.S. military uniform, how would that not make him a spy, and mean his swift and most thorough execution? It doesn’t seem to me that he would come close to meeting the criteria for Geneva Convention treatment.<

The above is why Zero won’t allow it.


45 posted on 05/19/2010 7:38:02 AM PDT by Califreak (A man is defined by the nature of his enemies-Preach it Rush!)
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To: Americanexpat
Since the military denied them the ability to defend themselves, they should be awarded the new medal for “Courageous Restraint”.
46 posted on 05/19/2010 7:40:16 AM PDT by catman67
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To: Howie66

If it is a crime of treason, the Purple Heart is appropriate, as is the execution of the traitor.


47 posted on 05/19/2010 7:42:25 AM PDT by Loud Mime (The Initial Point in Politics: Our Constitution initialpoints.net)
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To: laotzu

The victims were shot or killed fighting the war on terror. I would give them the purple heart.


48 posted on 05/19/2010 7:43:04 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Humble Servant
I disagree. This was a military installation, not a shopping mall.

And to add: Hasan was representing (whether the state-run media and their masters in the White House agree) a world-wide terror organization, because he received indoctrination from a member of it.

49 posted on 05/19/2010 7:43:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: B4Ranch
As old 0'pinhead--long-legged, bigmouth hack daddy would say, wise up! Just do what's right and don't sweat the small stuff! :)

Semper Fidelis

Dick Gaines

**********

50 posted on 05/19/2010 7:44:49 AM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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