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The PA-12 Results Are Bad For the GOP. Just How Bad?
National Review Online ^ | May 18, 2010 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 05/19/2010 7:12:16 AM PDT by neverdem

In Pennsylvania’s 12th District, Republican Tim Burns has conceded to Democrat Mark Critz.

One reader’s on the ledge:

Pa12 is more than a disappointment.  It is a disaster.  You know politics as well as I do (even though I’m probably your senior by at least thirty years).  When there is a political wave the following happens: parties win special elections in normally difficult districts; they win with weak candidates; they win all the close elections. They just win, win, and win.   Burns’s defeat shows, as of now, the Rs will unlikely take the House.  Perhaps they’ll do well; as today’s generic Gallup indicates around a gain in the low thirties.  But not what we need.  I didn’t read much about what Burns’ campaign was like, perhaps you can offer some meaningful analysis.  My guess is that the Republican label is still a liability in many areas; areas that they have to win in order to take the House.

A point: Tim Burns’ task was complicated by the fact that he was running against a pro-life, pro-gun Democrat who ran against the health care bill and the cap-and-trade legislation. The Burns campaign did everything they could to tie Critz to Democratic figures and laws that polled badly in the district – Pelosi, the health care bill — and it appears that in the end, voters in the district weren’t buying it.

But I am wondering about the Burns campaign’s get-out-the-vote operation at this hour. Also, another conservative blogger mentioned to me a few days ago that some supporters of Bill Russell, the Republican who ran against John Murtha in 2008, wouldn’t be supporting Burns in the special election. (Russell is competing against Burns in the primary election for the November ballot; at this moment, Burns leads Russell, 56 percent to 43 percent.) I was skeptical that enough Russell supporters would do this to effect the race, but now I’m wondering. Did the Russell folks keep their ballots blank?

UPDATE: Jay Cost: “I count about 95,000 votes in special election and 111,000 in primaries.” (UPDATE: Nevermind, it’s a glitch on the Pennsylvania site.)


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Critz is the kind of rat that gives Pelosi heartburn. I wouldn't overread these results in a very unique setting.
1 posted on 05/19/2010 7:12:16 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

That assumes he won’t a Pelosi robot or Murtha clone. Once he’s in office, he won’t give Pelosi heartburn. EVERY DEMOCRAT IS A WEASEL IN OFFICE — REMEMEBER THE STUPAK 14?


2 posted on 05/19/2010 7:15:00 AM PDT by sruleoflaw
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To: neverdem

Quite right...this was the seat that Murtha held AFTER accusing marines of cold blooded murder...

Not surprised we didnt take this one...


3 posted on 05/19/2010 7:16:23 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance.)
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To: neverdem

Aren’t Burns and Critz having a rematch in November?


4 posted on 05/19/2010 7:16:28 AM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: neverdem

They face off again in November. Let’s wait and see if Pelosi tames Critz in the interim.


5 posted on 05/19/2010 7:16:43 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: neverdem
'Critz is the kind of rat that gives Pelosi heartburn."

On paper, anyway. But, what has recently been proven is that there ARE no conservative Democrats. Clearly, this guy is trying to paint himself as a conservative - no on cap & trade, no on Obamacare, yes on guns, no on abortion, are all about as orthodox conservative as you can get, yet he's a democrat

This is my worry - Pelosi will schedule a bunch of crazy-left votes (things that have NO CHANCE of passing) for this summer that will allow people like this Critz to vote against, and bear the "conservative" teeth. Americans, sadly, are just stupid enough to fall for, just like the voters in the PA special election.

6 posted on 05/19/2010 7:17:48 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: neverdem

Sounds like a southern democrat. Some of those guys are more conservative than a lot of republicans.

I’m not democrat or republican. I’m conservative, and the conservative candidate will get my vote.

‘Cept I don’t vote any more. That dog has proven it won’t hunt.


7 posted on 05/19/2010 7:18:21 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: neverdem
The Republican label is a liability because the Party keeps putting up progressive statist candidates.

They want to make certain that even if Democrats are swept out of power a "centerist" cadre (read "center-left") still has a controlling majority.

8 posted on 05/19/2010 7:18:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: neverdem
When there is a political wave the following happens: parties win special elections in normally difficult districts; they win with weak candidates; they win all the close elections. They just win, win, and win.

That's not what this is. If a candidate missteps, shows indecision, or otherwise spooks voters in any way, he won't win. Especially if he's a Republican. It's hard to say what went wrong here, but I'll bet the Russell issue had a lot to do with it.

I heard a couple of things from Burns that made him sound pretty milquetoast and establishment to me. I don't know if that affected him with his base in the district, but it may have. It's nearly impossible to tell from several states away just what happened inside the district.

These are serious times and people are clamoring for something more than just voting for 'the other party'. Either they're going to get it, or they won't change their voting habits.

9 posted on 05/19/2010 7:20:06 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: neverdem

I wouldn’t read too much int this race. The (D) to (R) ratio is 2 to 1 and will likely be a much closer race in November. Once Critz gets to DC he’ll show his stripes to be just like his old boss, Murtha’s. Then November will be a lot more interesting................


10 posted on 05/19/2010 7:20:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you'll know that its desolation is NEAR. Luke 21)
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To: tgusa
One of the things that was in Critz favor this time around is that there was no voting record for Critz that Burns could show supported Obama and Pelosi.

If Critz votes against what he ran for this time around, it will make for good fodder for Burns in the fall.

11 posted on 05/19/2010 7:21:07 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: neverdem

How is this a disaster? I didn’t think we could win in district where a former marine can blame US soldiers for atrocities and still get elected..


12 posted on 05/19/2010 7:21:13 AM PDT by cardinal4 (In Obama Land, it is racist to be white..)
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To: neverdem

Are the idiots this stupid at NRO ? WE all know that answer. These DC beltway types are clueless.The reason the Murtha special election was schedule so late was because the Dem crook Rendell knew the Dem senate primary race and the chance to vote on Specter would drive up more Dem turnout than GOP voters!


13 posted on 05/19/2010 7:21:46 AM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: neverdem

What the writer is forgetting is that the dem primary was a highly contested contest that drew a much more enthusiastic turnout than the GOP primary. In November they’re will be a much more motivated Republican electorate, a newly installed congressman with actual recorded votes (which will likely be more party line than not), and another 5 months of Obama economic malaise will have passed. The defeat of Specter is a victory for conservatives, and opens up an opportunity for another Senate pickup this fall.


14 posted on 05/19/2010 7:22:10 AM PDT by festusbanjo (It's not that we tax too little, it's that we spend too damn much!)
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To: neverdem

There is not such thing as a moderate or blue dog democrat!!! They are all rats and they will turncoat as soon as the leadership puts some pressure on them. Remember a Democrat will say what ever is nessesary to get elected then do what ever he wants once in office, this is their SOP. How many times are the American public going to get fooled by these rats??


15 posted on 05/19/2010 7:23:14 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: neverdem

I don’t know much about PA-12, but it looks like one of THE most gerry-mandered districts in the country.


16 posted on 05/19/2010 7:24:04 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: neverdem
One thing that has been overlooked by many pundits about this PA-12 election is that Democratic voter turnout was higher than normal across the entire state of Pennsylvania because of the high-profile primary election between Specter and Sestak.

The fact that this was a "special election" for a seat that will be contested again in just six months gave many Republicans no incentive to support the GOP candidate while he is still facing a primary contest for the November election.

17 posted on 05/19/2010 7:24:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: neverdem

Critz was Murtha’s long time chief of staff. He will vote like Murtha, which will not give Pelosi heartburn.


18 posted on 05/19/2010 7:26:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: neverdem

I like Jim, but I think he’s wrong here. This is an area that elected Murtha even after he insulted our military, had a huge edge in Democrats, is unionized etc.

The candidate ran on a conservative platform. He even said he would have voted against Healthcare. (Yes, I know that’s a laugh, but a lot of people are stupid enough to believe these politicians.) But I just don’t see this being the bellwether county people think it is.

Spector, who jumped to the Dems and is from the same state, got thrown out last night. Anyone status quo is going to go.


19 posted on 05/19/2010 7:27:23 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: ncalburt

hmmmmm Never thought about that.....


20 posted on 05/19/2010 7:28:06 AM PDT by Bramuce
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To: RobRoy

“and the conservative candidate will get my vote.”

Not if they are a democrat. First, they chose to run under the banner of the homo-socialist-Green-America hating party, also,,, no matter how they campaign, they all vote party line when it really matters.

No “conservative democrat” gets my vote. Maybe 30 years ago,,but not today. Things have changed


21 posted on 05/19/2010 7:29:40 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: neverdem

I think we can chalk PA-12 up to a failure of the GOP Establishment in PA. How do you let a career political operative from DC run to the right of your candidate in the current political environment?

Go take a look at Critz issue page. He ran as a Republican. He hypes how he is Pro Life, Pro 2nd Amendment, Pro Domestic Energy production and Pro Military. He also stressed his ties to the US Military and his getting some big award from the National Guard.

Burns on the other hand has no solid creditably with the military plus he is easy to caricature as an “Evil big businessman” in a solidly blue collar district. In addition to that the GOP Establishment threw over solidly conservative, ex military man Russel to run the light weight Country Clubber Burns.

On the surface PA-12 voted for the more Conservative candidate. We all know that is nonsense but most voters are not so involved in the process as Freepers

Once again it seems the GOP was more interested in a candidate that could self fund then one who actually had a serious shot at this seat.

The questions for Nov are:

Are there enough of these sorts of newbie Dems running as Republican Lite to hold these districts for the Dems?

Is the GOP Establishment so uniformly incompetent that they cannot find credible candidates who have a serious connection with the voters in these sorts of district?

How would these voters break if they are confronted with a serious Establishment Democrat vrs a serious challenger Conservative rather the being forced to choose between a faux “Republican lite” Democrat and a Establishment Country Club Republican?

PA 12 indicates nothing about Nov.

PA-12 was the Dems seat to lose and they didn’t. Big Whoopie! Kerry carried in in 2004 and McCain won it by like 1% of the vote. It is NOT a “Swing District” it is a solid “Safe D” district.

The take away from PA 12 should be that the Dems had to work this hard to win this safe seat. Those facts should be ringing warning bells in DNC circles not generating the sort of arrogantly smug complacency being expressed by Democrat Propaganda Press


22 posted on 05/19/2010 7:31:48 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: kabar

I think we can chalk PA-12 up to a failure of the GOP Establishment in PA. How do you let a career political operative from DC run to the right of your candidate in the current political environment?

Go take a look at Critz issue page. He ran as a Republican. He hypes how he is Pro Life, Pro 2nd Amendment, Pro Domestic Energy production and Pro Military. He also stressed his ties to the US Military and his getting some big award from the National Guard.

Burns on the other hand has no solid creditably with the military plus he is easy to caricature as an “Evil big businessman” in a solidly blue collar district. In addition to that the GOP Establishment threw over solidly conservative, ex military man Russel to run the light weight Country Clubber Burns.

On the surface PA-12 voted for the more Conservative candidate. We all know that is nonsense but most voters are not so involved in the process as Freepers

Once again it seems the GOP was more interested in a candidate that could self fund then one who actually had a serious shot at this seat.

The questions for Nov are:

Are there enough of these sorts of newbie Dems running as Republican Lite to hold these districts for the Dems?

Is the GOP Establishment so uniformly incompetent that they cannot find credible candidates who have a serious connection with the voters in these sorts of district?

How would these voters break if they are confronted with a serious Establishment Democrat vrs a serious challenger Conservative rather the being forced to choose between a faux “Republican lite” Democrat and a Establishment Country Club Republican?

PA 12 indicates nothing about Nov.

PA-12 was the Dems seat to lose and they didn’t. Big Whoopie! Kerry carried in in 2004 and McCain won it by like 1% of the vote. It is NOT a “Swing District” it is a solid “Safe D” district.

The take away from PA 12 should be that the Dems had to work this hard to win this safe seat. Those facts should be ringing warning bells in DNC circles not generating the sort of arrogantly smug complacency being expressed by Democrat Propaganda Press


23 posted on 05/19/2010 7:32:29 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: neverdem

Remember where NRO comes from. They are squarely in the GOP Establishment Corner and are BIG supporters of Mittens. They want to frighten the Tea Partiers with crap like this.


24 posted on 05/19/2010 7:32:59 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: Bramuce

Yep, fast Eddy knew the Specter primary race would drive up Dem voters statewide so he moved the Murtha election to same date knowing the GOP had not tightly contested state wide races which would drive up the base.


25 posted on 05/19/2010 7:34:02 AM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: cardinal4

How is it a disaster when the race was even close in a district gerrymandered to give a 3 to 1 registration advantage to the democRat?


26 posted on 05/19/2010 7:34:02 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: ncalburt

Exactly. The Sestak-Specter race gave Critz a huge edge in turnout. Specifically: indies didn’t turn out for one race (both RAT and GOP primaries were closed) and there was no significant GOP primary race to galvanize conservatives.

Another key aspect: Critz ran against Obamacare. Incumbent House RATS will have no such luxury this fall.

But this loss will hurt with GOP fundraising across the board — both candidates and national apparatus. A GOP win would have hastened an exodus of House RATS into retirement.

Pete Sessions got sucker-punched on this race by Pelosi and Van Hollen. Regrettably, the SEIU goons got their vote out.


27 posted on 05/19/2010 7:36:25 AM PDT by mwl8787
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To: PGR88
it looks like one of THE most gerry-mandered districts in the country

Corrine Brown in Florida is another. Her district runs from Jacksonville to Orlando.

28 posted on 05/19/2010 7:38:03 AM PDT by FatherofFive (0bama is dangerous and must be stopped.)
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To: neverdem
Look at the numbers (from Fox News):

There were 80,736 votes cast in the dem primary vs. 45,852 in the GOP primary.

In the primary, Critz got 57,704. In the special election he got 70,662. In the primary, Burns got 26,120. In the special election he got 60,500.

29 posted on 05/19/2010 7:38:10 AM PDT by zeebee (There are no coincidences.)
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To: neverdem
Critz is the kind of rat that gives Pelosi heartburn. I wouldn't overread these results in a very unique setting.

No he isn't. "Independence" in the dem party only lasts until a visit from the Whip's staff. Unless Critz is granted a cosmetic "no" vote to save his a$$ at election time, he'll be like the other "conservative" dems.. just holding out for a juicy, earmark-packed deal.

30 posted on 05/19/2010 7:38:12 AM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: MNJohnnie

I have another entirely personal view with absolutely zero intel to confirm, but Burns is apparently divorced, because there is no wife mentioned on his bio and all his TV commercials featured only his sons — no spouse whatsoever. This may have hurt with RAT social conservatives — he was just too GOP country club.


31 posted on 05/19/2010 7:39:01 AM PDT by mwl8787
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To: neverdem

This is a classic socially conservative, economically liberal district. Perfect territory for a Blue Dog. The people there are church going and God fearing and strongly pro-Second Amendment. Yes that it is all true.

But...they are also Democrat by a 2:1 margin and strongly addicted to all the pork Murtha and now Critz bring into the district.

The only chance for a Republican to take the district in November is to forcefully argue that a vote for Critz is a vote for Pelousy. But even that is problematic as most voters select candidates on their own individual merits.


32 posted on 05/19/2010 7:39:33 AM PDT by Gen. Burkhalter
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To: neverdem
Critz is the kind of rat that gives Pelosi heartburn.

But at the end of the day he'll vote to keep her as speaker. And when all is said and done he'll vote for Obama's agenda more often than not.

I would call the win by Critz disappointing rather than bad. It is a strong Democratic seat and it would have been nice to pick it up but it was never a sure thing. The bigger disappointment by my way of thinking would be the margin of victory. An 8 point win is a lot bigger than I'd hoped it would be.

33 posted on 05/19/2010 7:41:29 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: neverdem

I don’t see how it’s bad for the GOP.

Critz ran as a total conservative, obviously afraid to let the liberal ID get out there.

It was 2 to 1 Dems so any other result would have been a statistical miracle.

And finally, we can’t win them all. It would have been different if we’d had anything in this race going for us but we didn’t.


34 posted on 05/19/2010 7:42:23 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: cardinal4
How is this a disaster? I didn’t think we could win in district where a former marine can blame US soldiers for atrocities and still get elected.

Exactly.

35 posted on 05/19/2010 7:43:14 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: neverdem

They are forgetting about Scott Brown in Massachusetts. That was a lot more significant.


36 posted on 05/19/2010 7:43:44 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: neverdem

Disappointed in the results, but it is not surprising. It is a Dem district, there was a hot Senate primary on the Dem side, and there was the weirdity of Burns being in two elections on the same day...the primary against Russell and the Murtha open seat. Would love to see a win, but this has little to do with November nationally.


37 posted on 05/19/2010 7:46:07 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: ScottinVA

With rare exceptions, Pelosi is determined to shield her members from precarious votes for the remainder of the year — health care was the last tough vote. That is why there will be no budget this year: RATS are terrified of drafting and enacting a budget resolution with a $1.6 trillion deficit (or worse).

Bottom line: other than pork, there may be very little of a Critz record to pick apart in November, and my sense is that the NRCC will target its resources elsewhere. Burns could still get elected in a GOP tide, but he’ll need help from the top of the ticket - Toomey and Corbett - and I doubt they’ll have long coattails in this district, although we may be pleasantly surprised.

Pennsylvania is just bad news, time after time. Disproportionate number of seniors who still revere FDR and JFK; and who don’t understand that a vote for a local RAT is a vote for Pelosi. Many decent and well-meaning but very unsophisticated people in the rural areas, such as PA-12.


38 posted on 05/19/2010 7:46:27 AM PDT by mwl8787
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To: neverdem

I agree with many who say that the Democrat primary greatly improved Democrat turnout.

And the Democrat should not have been allowed to out flank the Republican on the right. In almost every Congress, the most important vote by far cast by any member is who they support for leadership. If a member votes for Pelosi as House leader, that sets the whole agenda.

It sounds very noble to say one “votes for the candidate, not the party.” But it’s foolhardy in the extreme to ignore the fact that a Democrat votes to keep Democrat leadership in power.

Just my two cents.


39 posted on 05/19/2010 7:51:49 AM PDT by cvq3842 (Freedom is worth fighting for.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
Remember where NRO comes from. They are squarely in the GOP Establishment Corner and are BIG supporters of Mittens. They want to frighten the Tea Partiers with crap like this.

Show me some evidence. NRO was pro Palin in 2008 and likes the Tea Party Movement from what I've read. I've detected no enthusiasm for RINOs at NRO.

40 posted on 05/19/2010 7:52:27 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: MNJohnnie
I agree 100% with your observations. The GOP is moribund in PA. And you are right on the mark about the GOP selecting candidates who can self-fund. Burns was a poor choice.

Yes, Critz ran as a conservative and will vote as a liberal. He is Murtha's clone. When someone serves as COS and aide for a congressman for 12 years, he is really the alter ego and in many ways runs the show with the congressman as the figurehead. Critz knows the district much better than Burns and had more political connections. The idea that Critz is going to give Pelosi heartburn is ludicrous.

The crux of the matter is that Murtha brought home the pork and the people of PA-12 expect Critz to do the same. It is as simple as that.

The Reps may have a better opportunity to win in November because of turnout and the fact that Critz will have a voting record to campaign against. Still, I am not sanguine about Burns' chances. In hard economic times, those dependent upon the government for their jobs want a congressman who will continue to bring home the bacon.

When you look at the demographics of the district (PA-12), it is easy to see why it remains in the Dem camp, i.e., primarily economics. The minority population is practically nil, but the median income indicates that there are many poor and old people. In fact, PA has one of the oldest populations in the nation.

41 posted on 05/19/2010 7:55:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: neverdem; Eroteme; Kenny Bunk; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; ...
RE :”Burns’s defeat shows, as of now, the Rs will unlikely take the House. Perhaps they’ll do well; as today’s generic Gallup indicates around a gain in the low thirties. But not what we need.

What we NEED is to clean house of RINOs(follow Rab's and other's leads.) . What we NEED is to pick up enough seats to make democrats job of passing things impossible. That will allow us to beat Obama in 2012. Don't be fooled into joining the MSMs horse-race on love-hate Obama here. There is a bigger long term picture to worry about. You can't put out a fire with more gasoline (bailout big government Republican leadership can't undo democrat socialism.)

In two years this new congressman will have a record supporting Obama too. If Obama still owns the economy and deficit democrats will have another big loss. Let's see what the Republican’s record is like then. I always said, just opposing things (especially stuff you were for when you were in power) is not enough to win a majority. Rab's has it right, take out the RINOs. Don't get discouraged by letting the MSM set taking over congress 2010 as being our low bar for victory and Obama's defeat.

Why 2010 should be the year of the conservative, and to dump the RINOS

42 posted on 05/19/2010 8:00:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: neverdem
Critz is the kind of rat that gives Pelosi heartburn. I wouldn't overread these results in a very unique setting.

I disagree. A vote for Critz was a vote for Pelosi & Ob0z0 the commie pig, and an endorsement of their agenda to destroy & bankrupt the U.S. If Burns hit Critz hard on his support for Pelosi & socialist 0b0z0, and still lost, then I am not optimistic that the House or Senate will shift from demoRAT to Repub in Nov 2010. There are just too many unbelieveably stupid voters in the U.S.

Re. Critz's supposed "pro-life & pro-gun" credentials, as we already know from Bart Stupak, there really is no such thing as a pro-life demoRAT or pro-gun. A demoRAT is a left-wing idealogue who will ALWAYS do whatever is necessary to advance the socialist-marxist agenda. This is another heartbreak for those of us who wished & prayed & contributed financially to the PA-12 election in hopes that the demoRATS would lose a House seat. Just like we hoped & prayed & still lost in NY-23. Sadly we are now 0-2 in House elections that should have been won by Repubs. The level of stupidity & dumb ass ignorance in American voters is mind-boggling. I know...I have a boss who is a liberal Phd from U of W-Madison, and he would vote for demoRATs including 0b0z0 the commie pig, even if 0bozo raped & pillaged 10 yr old girls on stage in front of a national audience. My younger brother & his fat ugly liberal wife are the same way. Such is the stupidity of liberals to vote forever in support of demoRATs & their evil agenda.

43 posted on 05/19/2010 8:01:23 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: neverdem

BS.


44 posted on 05/19/2010 8:04:54 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: neverdem

Hawaii on Friday ???

They’ve got to milk this D victory for all it’s worth before they lose the Hawaii seat.


45 posted on 05/19/2010 8:05:34 AM PDT by Reagan69 (Let me know when those health insurance premiums go down.)
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To: neverdem


The PA-12 Results Are Bad For the GOP. Just How Bad?

Not bad.
After Murtha spent DECADES of bringing pork home to his district...
the parasites, er, voters can’t be expected to jettison their identification
with the welfare party (D).


46 posted on 05/19/2010 8:06:29 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Born Conservative; airborne; smoothsailing; Dr. Scarpetta; martin_fierro; Coop; Tribune7; ...
Three Anti-Gun Bills to be Considered Next Week in Pennsylvania!

Pennsylvania: Castle Doctrine Self-Defense Bill to be Considered on Tuesday, May 25!

NRO failed to mention the effect of the Specter/Sestak primary on PA-12. If "Fast Eddie" vetoes the Castle Doctrine bill, that will probably help in November, IMHO.

47 posted on 05/19/2010 8:09:03 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: DesertRhino

I’m completely with you. I was speaking academically. I’m still in Seattle. There is no such thing as a conservative democrat here and it is VERY difficult to find a conservative republican.

And I especially liked your reference to 30 years ago. That was exactly what I was thinking when I wrote my post. :)


48 posted on 05/19/2010 8:10:14 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: sickoflibs

B U M P


49 posted on 05/19/2010 8:17:20 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: kabar
Interesting thought for you to ponder. Would be interested in your thoughts.

Lot of Murtha’s clout in PA-12 was based on Defense Contractors.

What happens when the Crtiz type backwook guys in the Democrat Party, who rely heavily on bringing home the Defense pork, run into the Congressional Progressive Democrat leadership's ideological need to gut the US Military budget to fund their Utopian Socialist spending habits?

50 posted on 05/19/2010 8:18:24 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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