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Obama Risks a Domestic Military Intervention
TPM ^ | 5/1/109 | John L. Perry

Posted on 05/19/2010 11:22:07 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:

(Excerpt) Read more at talkingpointsmemo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: bhodod; certifigate; constitution; coup; doitnow; eligibility; fifth100days; intervention; marxism; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; spreadthewealth; troops; uncoupdetat; zot
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To: ChurtleDawg; anniegetyourgun
You were saying ...

how can people who supposedly believe in the constitution and this country’s institutions ever support the idea of a military coup?

Ummm..., you haven't seen some of the stuff that comes out of some "birther threads" have you? ... :-) (and these are FReepers saying some of these things).

101 posted on 05/19/2010 12:03:22 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: ReneeLynn

I’ve relayed many such steps here on FR last year, so I won’t bother going through that again. And yes, many are fed up & continue to use the old tactics (email, fax, rally, call) even though all things changed on 11/4/08. The administration is counting on the citizenry to continue those using those tactics - they are so easy to ignore.

I do expect that the GOP will obtain a majority in the House in Nov. However, none of that really matters to a president who will use any means to advance his agenda - regardless of what the people think.


102 posted on 05/19/2010 12:06:00 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: ansel12

>So American voters don’t decide elections now, the army does?

I hate to break it to you buddy; but the massive multistate voter-registration fraud, the multiple “we found a box of ballots” stories, the “infinite recounts until the guy we want wins” ALL indicate that the American voters DON’T decide elections.


103 posted on 05/19/2010 12:06:50 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Star Traveler

I know. I didn’t think that you were.


104 posted on 05/19/2010 12:06:59 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: anniegetyourgun; All
At this point in time, not a possibility.

However, there may come a time when it is the only way to keep this Republic united and free. If Obama has his so-called “civilian army” that is as well funded as the U.S. military (remember that?), suppose they attempt to disarm our citizens? The result would likely mean major bloodshed across the country and perhaps the military would have to step in to resolve the issue (on who's side is the important question)?

If our “democratically elected leaders” decide civilians no longer may own firearms, do any of you who dismiss this possibility feel like simply rolling over and taking your medicine?

105 posted on 05/19/2010 12:07:12 PM PDT by Pox
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To: stuartcr
You were saying ...

Throughout history, there have been those that say the world is ending and those that say it isn’t...just pick a side and wait, maybe it will before you die, maybe it won’t.

Well..., we don't have to dig into history to find some of this. I have gotten into some discussions with other FReepers who tell me that I better get prepared for Armed Revolution and that we may have to fight the military and they expect that they will win, too... :-)

In addition, they say that the "ballot box" time is just about over, and it's time for the "bullet box" (said in so many words, if not that, exactly). I see this all the time, in addition to others, here on Free Republic who say that since Obama is "not really the President" -- that it's okay for the military to remove him from office, because he's in that office illegally (you see...) thus, it's not really a "coup" -- it's just removing someone from office who is "not really the President" in the first place, doncha know ... (that's some of the "birther mentality" and I have people absolutely insist and swear that Obama "is not really the President" ... LOL ...).

I'm not making this stuff up, ya know ...

106 posted on 05/19/2010 12:08:58 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Won’t happen.

Once we cross that threshold, who’s to say the dims won’t use it against us if an unpopular Republican President were in office?

Obama AND his policies will be overthrown at the ballot box, in that I have no doubt. The military will stay out of it.


107 posted on 05/19/2010 12:09:27 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Never trust anyone who points their ass at God while praying.)
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To: Star Traveler; OldDeckHand

The elections are just a few months away. Maybe we should wait and see how it goes before we with go with giving up on elections completely.

Wait till the debt commission study comes out. That will make everyone happy, right?? :)

So did all those freepers put their money in the Euro ???


108 posted on 05/19/2010 12:09:51 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Pox

Some of the “rule of law” purists really don’t see the big picture. They’ll be lined up in front of firing squads, men, women and children, and the purists will still be saying “but he was democratically elected”.


109 posted on 05/19/2010 12:10:37 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Star Traveler
here on Free Republic, in that FReepers consider it a good liklihood of happening, actually

Remember that lots of FReepers have Armageddon fantasies. They like the idea of holing up in their compound and living off the land and occasionally stopping their idyllic life to shoo away some itinerant liberals that come begging for help.

I think that the reality would be a whole lot less pleasant but that's just me. To each their own.

Refusal to take "the easy way" and do things by rule of law, is what separates us from the 3rd world banana republics. Now, as a previous poster said - if the ballot box is eliminated, then all bets are off. I agree with that wholeheartedly, but will keep working within the system, until it's time to start working outside of it. IMHO, that time isn't here yet.

110 posted on 05/19/2010 12:10:59 PM PDT by wbill
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To: unkus

The people are deluded...and I don’t consider to be stupid. He’s accomplished quite a bit of his agenda thus far because there’s been no ability to stop him. Even if Congress moves to the right after November, he’ll simply use other means to advance his agenda. There’s a reason why he has no fear of (respect for) the people.


111 posted on 05/19/2010 12:11:25 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

So, you are advocating it. I think the prediction of no presidential election is foolish. Shennanigans? We’ve had those for years and years. I prefer to resort to prayer. I believe that God will battle the evil when we seek Him and ask. I saw it happen with Gore/Bush. Despite all of the Gore campaign’s machinations. I prefer to look to Him and not rely on the military.


112 posted on 05/19/2010 12:11:52 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Hardraade

It has made for an interest thread!


113 posted on 05/19/2010 12:11:56 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Drill Thrawl
Interesting article from a bunch of lefties. Trying to provoke a reaction me thinks.

There has been a lot of this lately. I'm not sure if ti is just projection (especially form Napolitano-like characterizations of the Right) or just wishful thinking.

If the Left can provoke an incident, they will be 'justified' in suppressing not only that incident, but every right-winged group in the country.

While there is still the ballot box, let's use that and not play into their hands.

It also dawns on me that such shrill rhetoric from the left may be stage-setting for a Reichstag Fire type event.

114 posted on 05/19/2010 12:13:35 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

We need to get local LEO's and NG/Military neighbors on board with Oath Keepers.

Declaration Of Orders We Will Not Obey


”Oath

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115 posted on 05/19/2010 12:13:46 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: ReneeLynn
As I said, I'm not advocating a military coup. I've advocated methods to get the attention of elected officials who aren't listening.

Meanwhile, I too pray because I know rest of the story.

116 posted on 05/19/2010 12:13:47 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: ReneeLynn

By the way, I’m sure there will be elections in 2012.


117 posted on 05/19/2010 12:15:14 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

Whats taking so long? Those guys in the pentagon must have had steam rolling out their ears ever since zero got in office.


118 posted on 05/19/2010 12:15:38 PM PDT by reagan4palin
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To: anniegetyourgun
Even a takeover by GOP in the House can’t stop a guy who believes his agenda justifies the means.

On the contrary, 0bama can not implement his agenda unless the House first votes to fund it.

He can veto whatever he wants but unless the funds are affirmatively in a bill, there is no way he can spend the money without presenting a prima facie case for impeachment.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

119 posted on 05/19/2010 12:16:00 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: reagan_fanatic

“Obama AND his policies will be overthrown at the ballot box, in that I have no doubt. The military will stay out of it.”

I agree they want to stay out of it and prefer this type solution. However if it comes to an extreme situation, there is a first time for anything. In this life I have learned to never say “Never” as it is unrealistic and pollyanna.


120 posted on 05/19/2010 12:16:05 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: anniegetyourgun

ping


121 posted on 05/19/2010 12:16:31 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: anniegetyourgun

“The people are deluded...and I don’t consider to be stupid. He’s accomplished quite a bit of his agenda thus far because there’s been no ability to stop him. Even if Congress moves to the right after November, he’ll simply use other means to advance his agenda. There’s a reason why he has no fear of (respect for) the people.”

That is as much walking the line as I’ve read anywhere. You do a great job of treading lightly. But I DO sense an attitude of agreement with military action. That’s my take anyway.


122 posted on 05/19/2010 12:18:51 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

keep fer later


123 posted on 05/19/2010 12:19:15 PM PDT by vanilla swirl (To argue witha person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead)
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To: Pox

I don’t think it will ever be a possibility...and the nation has been taking the Obama medicine since 11/4/08.


124 posted on 05/19/2010 12:20:06 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: sickoflibs; OldDeckHand
You were saying ...

The elections are just a few months away. Maybe we should wait and see how it goes before we with go with giving up on elections completely.

Oh... don't get me wrong... I'm for the ballot box and I think that's where the "action is at". It's unfortunate that we don't have better representation for our views at the ballot box, as it seems that the voting electorate is almost evenly split. However you want to represent what is going on at the ballot box, it remains true that many liberals and Marxists and socialists do get elected -- and that's basically the fault of the "voting electorate".

BUT, I still say that we must fight the battle at the ballot box and also by "making more conservatives" in society. And if we can't do that and/or can't win at the ballot box, in the first place -- then not being able to win still doesn't justify going to "armed revolution" -- I don't think.

I mean, that's what voting is supposed to be about, in that a larger majority of people believe that they should have certain representatives in the legislature and have certain policies in the government -- and if it turns out that we can't convince a larger majority for our issues -- then it just means "we're on the losing side". We'll have to keep working at it until we become the "winning side".

HOWEVER, I'm also told by other FReepers that we won't be having any elections coming up this Fall. They ask me why I think that I'm even going to be able to vote this Fall. But, I did hear the same kind of "talk" when Clinton reached his term limit, too ... :-)

125 posted on 05/19/2010 12:20:53 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: EdReform

A friend of mine in Indiana told me his son-in-law is a law enforcement officer and when he asked him about the Oath-Keepers he looked at him real funny and said they were on their “watch list” of radical fringe groups.


126 posted on 05/19/2010 12:21:12 PM PDT by reagan4palin
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To: OneWingedShark

I hate to break it to you buddy, but your opinion that free elections are too imperfect for the United States is asinine, your wanting to impose a military dictatorship instead, is treasonous.


127 posted on 05/19/2010 12:21:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: anniegetyourgun

You want “reasonable steps?” Great idea. I’m all in favor of it. But what are those “reasonable steps?” Voting? take a look at how many voters turned out for the recent elections and you’ll see that people are simply too busy to bother voting. Either that or they figure it’s a waste of energy and time, that The Powers That Be will do what they want anyway.

Another “reasonable step” might be mass demonstrations... that is if the media would actually cover them and accurately report them. Didn’t a couple of million people flock to D.C. only to be totally discounted by Zero?

Slightly less “reasonable” would be resistance to federal mandates. Montana led the march with a state law that declares firearms manufactured and staying within the State of Montana would be exempt from federal regulation. A number of other states have passed similar laws and the Feds are planning to ignore those upstart state laws and enforce their own draconian rules.

So what’s the next step? Do we take up arms against the Fed leviathan and risk having the military come out against us or do we sit back and wait for the military to do our dirty work for us?

There is no easy answer. The voters simply will not turn out — for whatever reason and if a two million person demonstration on the mall in front of the Capitol can’t get the attention of our elected “representatives,” what will?

While a military coup would be my last personal choice for resolution of our political problems I think it might — if properly done — be better than a civil war in which everyone would lose.


128 posted on 05/19/2010 12:22:13 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: ReneeLynn

My “sense” is that there is no hope in strong men or horses. You don’t know me, but I understand the assumptions.


129 posted on 05/19/2010 12:22:51 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Author has been reading to much Clancy. never happen. The united States of America will die with a few kicks and spasms. there is no way the country will survive when over 40% think 0 is a great man and president. Coup? no freaki’n way.
130 posted on 05/19/2010 12:26:03 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (If you can read this you are the resistance. (Oh and the GOP can bite me for $$$))
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To: happyathome

......No national institution is more respected than the American military.....

Perhaps it is that very respect that will make the removal of the leftists acceptable.

The slogan is.... “the king is dead, long live the king.”

The sighs of relief drown out the whimpers of anguish.


131 posted on 05/19/2010 12:27:38 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

We can’t allow Obama to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!


132 posted on 05/19/2010 12:28:03 PM PDT by lwd
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To: ansel12

>I hate to break it to you buddy, but your opinion that free elections are too imperfect for the United States is asinine, your wanting to impose a military dictatorship instead, is treasonous.

LOL - Where on this thread did I say I was in favor of the “Military Intervention” option?

What I think would be most effective, is for citizens to strap on their guns and follow the ballot-box* to where it is to be counted, and watch the counting. Then, following the reports to the secretary of state who certifies the results, and then, after the certification has been announced, continue on business. A decade or so of doing THAT and I’ll bet you the crap will stop.

*If things are ‘unkosher’, shoot the bastard that dares defile the election process.


133 posted on 05/19/2010 12:29:26 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Star Traveler; OldDeckHand
RE:”HOWEVER, I’m also told by other FReepers that we won’t be having any elections coming up this Fall. They ask me why I think that I’m even going to be able to vote this Fall. But, I did hear the same kind of “talk” when Clinton reached his term limit, too ... :-)

DU was posting a similar theory about Bush in both 2004 and 2008.

I have heard some on talk radio ‘joke’ about this possibility too recently. I always tell people to not believe 'everything' they hear on commercial talk radio, it is a business. Heck, if there is going to be no elections, why did Obama just humiliate himself supporting Spector and Lincoln?

134 posted on 05/19/2010 12:29:42 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Star Traveler
I'm not making this stuff up, ya know ...

Nope, but you sure are trying to hijack this thread with your anti-"birther" nonsense.

Where are Obama's credentials, anyway?

Aside from that, and all the mis-cited hypothetical situations on all 'those birther threads', I do not think anyone believes warfare in the US is a good or preferable thing, more like a last resort.

To take extrapolations of situations which may not come about out of context as if "birthers" were advocating a military coup is disingenious at best, and leaves a foul trail of quotable allegations against this forum and its members, crafted by you.

135 posted on 05/19/2010 12:29:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: oldfart
I realize old tactics (call, email, fax, rally) don't work - and told Freepers that over a year ago. I was poo-pooed then, so we employed the old tactics while I patiently asked what we were going to do after they passed healthcare.

My suggestions (back then) require a great deal of organization & commitment to peaceful civil disobedience (note: that's not a military coup) tactics. What I learned is that there's no stomach or will for it.

136 posted on 05/19/2010 12:30:52 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: LucyT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2516833/posts?page=106#106

Check that one out...


137 posted on 05/19/2010 12:31:03 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

agreed


138 posted on 05/19/2010 12:31:39 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: RexBeach

They might be too hot to handle!!


139 posted on 05/19/2010 12:32:51 PM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: reagan4palin

Heck, I would assume that FR is on that list too!


140 posted on 05/19/2010 12:35:27 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Star Traveler

Have you ever gotten into any discussions with people that said differently?


141 posted on 05/19/2010 12:36:33 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: OneWingedShark

If you don’t support the premise of the thread then I don’t know what you are trying to take up with me.

What was it in my post 42 that you are disagreeing with?


142 posted on 05/19/2010 12:37:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Smokin' Joe; stuartcr
You were saying ...

Nope, but you sure are trying to hijack this thread with your anti-"birther" nonsense.

There are those in that group who have said that the military should remove Obama from office. That's not my idea, but those who have said that. Others have said that the military should refuse to follow his orders, and others have said that he is "not really the President" -- so they don't have to follow his orders.

I'm just repeating what has been posted by others on those threads. And that fits exactly in with the idea that is presented here.

What I'm saying is that there is a significant group on Free Republic -- who indeed -- do think that the military should intervene in order to "restore the Constitution" and our government. And that's just a fact of the matter, from the many posts that I've seen.

I don't agree with that faction of Free Republic, but that faction is there, without a doubt.



To take extrapolations of situations which may not come about out of context as if "birthers" were advocating a military coup is disingenious at best, and leaves a foul trail of quotable allegations against this forum and its members, crafted by you.

You'll note that this thread is talking precisely about that topic of military intervention. And others are talking about "Armed Revolution"...

I'm saying that our form of government is that we change things by the ballot box, but there are those who are advocating that if we can't change things by the ballot box, that we resort to the ammo box ... instead.

What I'm saying is that you keep working at the "ballot box" until you have the majority on your side to effect those changes which are needed.

No matter how much you might want to deny it, you can see by that other thread I listed (just a recent thread too) -- there are many talking about a total collapse of civilization here in this country and/or "armed revolution" and/or having the military remove a President "who really isn't the President" and one that "they do not have to follow orders from" ...

I don't go along with that, but there are those who do ...

I still maintain that we do things according to how it's been outlined in the Constitution, and remove a President from office (if necessary) by the Impeachment process or remove the President from office by voting him out of office.

143 posted on 05/19/2010 12:40:26 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SandyLynn
And as for November..will we still have elections? I doubt it!

Sandy, did you forget to take your medication again this morning?

144 posted on 05/19/2010 12:40:55 PM PDT by neocon1984
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To: Smokin' Joe
You were saying ...

Check that one out...

All you have to do to verify that is simply read the threads on it ... it's all there ...

145 posted on 05/19/2010 12:42:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: stuartcr
You were saying ...

Have you ever gotten into any discussions with people that said differently?

I take it you're saying "said differently in that they don't advocate armed revolution but the ballot box, as we should be doing it..."

And if that's it ... yes... fortunately -- and for one example of it -- right here on this thread -- which is encouraging that people still are for that ... and upholding our true and time-tested methodology for changing government.

146 posted on 05/19/2010 12:44:55 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Let’s face it, Americans have become too fat and lazy to do the hard work of running a country. It isn’t going to change either, at least not until a bunch of other things change first. Much as I hate to think about it, I believe we will have to sustain massive loss of life due to either enemy action or natural disaster before the remainder of people wake up and start to pull themselves out of their rut.

Few people remember that American politics was fairly evenly divided at the end of the 1930s. It took a sneak attack on our navy to get us pulling together against the axis powers. It worked then and it’ll work again. We just need a common enemy that both parties can recognize. Right now we have such an enemy but Zero and his minions are doing everything they can to smooth over forty years of attacks as simply “misunderstandings.”

I don’t know what’s going to happen but I categorically refuse to dismiss any possibility with “it can’t happen here.” It can.


147 posted on 05/19/2010 12:45:31 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: SandyLynn

As with any administration, there are supporters and detractors; however, we take oaths to uphold the constitution, not the chief executive. That’s what makes us a nation of laws, not of men.

Whack (sound of ball being deftly lobbed back into the other court).

Colonel, USAFR


148 posted on 05/19/2010 12:46:25 PM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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To: sickoflibs
You were saying ...

DU was posting a similar theory about Bush in both 2004 and 2008.

I'm sure you're right. I think I heard some FReepers referring to that one, too ... :-)

It seems to come around just about every President by the side who doesn't like him (and we have good reasons for not wanting Obama in there, for sure...).

I did hear it about Clinton, you mention it about Bush and now we're hearing it about Obama. I would imagine we will hear it again about the next President that is elected, too ...

149 posted on 05/19/2010 12:47:47 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: darkside321

The more likely scenario is a ganging up by the Congress and SC invoking military support for a removal from office.


150 posted on 05/19/2010 12:48:49 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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