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Some US troops in Afghanistan patrol with unloaded weapons
The US Report ^ | 19 May 2010 | Chris Carter

Posted on 05/19/2010 1:53:30 PM PDT by Crush

Commanders have reportedly ordered a U.S. military unit in Afghanistan to patrol with unloaded weapons.

Some soldiers are being ordered to conduct patrols without a round chambered in their weapons, The US Report has learned from an anonymous source at a forward operating base in Afghanistan. Our source was unsure if the order came from his unit or if it affected other units.

On war correspondent Michael Yon's Facebook page, commenters stated that this is a common practice in Iraq, while others said that it is occurring in Afghanistan as well. According to military protocol, “Amber” status requires weapons to have a loaded magazine, but the safety on and no round chambered.

"The idea that any combat unit would conduct any operation, including patrolling and even manning a security post -- in which direct action may-or-may not take place -- and not having weapons loaded, borders on being criminally negligent in my opinion," says Lt. Col. W. Thomas Smith Jr., a recognized expert on terrorism and military/national defense issues. "This is nothing more than infusing politically correct restrictions into already overly restrictive rules of engagement. And this PC nonsense is going to get people killed."

According to Smith, "American soldiers are highly skilled in the use of 'loaded' weapons, and so should be trusted to operate with 'loaded' weapons. If someone overseeing decisions on ROE thinks not, then ratchet up training. But don't put a man on the street and force him to go through multiple prompts when a gunfight breaks out. Remember, the situation can go from quiet to kinetic in half the time it takes to breathe."

In an ambush situation, just how long does it take to engage a target when your weapon isn't already loaded?

(Excerpt) Read more at theusreport.com ...


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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bhoafghanistan; obama; roe; treason; wot
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1 posted on 05/19/2010 1:53:31 PM PDT by Crush
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To: Crush

registered Democrats are happy. They love dead US military personel.


2 posted on 05/19/2010 1:54:59 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: Crush

The sentries on the USS Cole were under the same ROE.


3 posted on 05/19/2010 1:55:30 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Crush

Sounds like Viet Nam all over again!


4 posted on 05/19/2010 1:56:26 PM PDT by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: Crush

I call BS


5 posted on 05/19/2010 1:58:26 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Crush

WHAT?


6 posted on 05/19/2010 1:58:38 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Big_Harry

I can almost guarantee they have their weapons locked and loaded.


7 posted on 05/19/2010 1:58:52 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Crush

No effin way.


8 posted on 05/19/2010 1:59:08 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Crush

Idiotic. I don’t go out of the house without one in the chamber.


9 posted on 05/19/2010 2:00:49 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Need work. MBA, CPA, Black Belt. Diverse industry and cross border experience.)
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To: pissant
I call BS

Same here. This may as well be written on a men's room stall.

10 posted on 05/19/2010 2:02:25 PM PDT by Hillbillary (I know how to deal with Communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Crush
Why don't we take all their weapons away and give them spit wad shooters and maybe rubber band guns if they can pass an extensive background check, drug test, IQ test, competency test and meet the minimum requirements to get on a ride at Disney?
11 posted on 05/19/2010 2:02:26 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Why is the 0bama regime afraid to be proud of and protect our country?)
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To: Crush

Pure insanity!!! George Bush is a murderer for ordering troops to battle? This a@# clown willfully condones the death of US troops. F’em, F!*K all those at the Whitehouse, and the Pentagon that willfully conduct themselves in this manner.


12 posted on 05/19/2010 2:02:29 PM PDT by 724th (The question is not how far, but rather, do you possess the constitution?)
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To: 23 Everest

That was sarcasm folks!


13 posted on 05/19/2010 2:03:31 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Why is the 0bama regime afraid to be proud of and protect our country?)
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To: pissant

I call BS


Me, too. The troops won’t put up with this BS and neither would their field commanders.


14 posted on 05/19/2010 2:03:47 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Crush

This just makes the courageous restraint award that much easier to obtain.


15 posted on 05/19/2010 2:04:51 PM PDT by camerongood210
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To: Crush

My MP nephew in the NG told me that they carry the M9’s without a round in the chamber even though the first shot is a double action pull length.


16 posted on 05/19/2010 2:05:03 PM PDT by headstamp 2 ("No Good Deed Goes Unpunished")
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To: Crush

With the current ROE I’d think they’d have plenty of time to lock and load before firing back.


17 posted on 05/19/2010 2:09:07 PM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: pissant

I do not know if the story is accurate but I do know from persoanl experience we were not allowed to keep a round in the chamber in Viet Nam.

As I mentioned on another thread, some regulations are stupid. I figured I would rather be punished for having a round in the chamber while on patrol then be dead. I always kept a round in the chamber.


18 posted on 05/19/2010 2:09:49 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Crush

If this is true, which I kind of doubt, I guarantee that it’s an order that is given with a wink-wink-nod-nod in the field.


19 posted on 05/19/2010 2:09:57 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Crush

The RoE’s are worse and worse


20 posted on 05/19/2010 2:10:33 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: Crush

Barney Fife RoE. :(


21 posted on 05/19/2010 2:11:25 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: Crush

Hey Cap’n....I’ll take the Court’s Marshal over the Funeral, if you don’t mind!


22 posted on 05/19/2010 2:11:43 PM PDT by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: Crush

I tried to warn others two years ago, it would not take long before the “progressives” would revert back to being themselves.


23 posted on 05/19/2010 2:12:31 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Crush

This story has a ring of truth.

Remember back during Restore Hope a situation where troops where guarding warehouses and standing post without rounds. If I remember correctly, the same thing happened at the barracks in Beirut.


24 posted on 05/19/2010 2:12:57 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: Crush

My response would be, I’m happy to serve here, but I’m not going to do it without a weapon at the ready.

When you get serious, call me.


25 posted on 05/19/2010 2:13:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

It’s official...Obama and McChrystal are throwing the damn war....


26 posted on 05/19/2010 2:13:46 PM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

I’m sure the guy in front of you appreciated that.


27 posted on 05/19/2010 2:13:55 PM PDT by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Crush

Napalatano used these ROE’s on the border


28 posted on 05/19/2010 2:15:59 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Liberals are right. The AZ situation is like Nazi Germany. Mexico is Germany and Arizona is Poland)
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To: Crush
So, Afghanistan is no longer a combat zone, no more combat pay?
29 posted on 05/19/2010 2:16:30 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Crush

My niece’s boyfriend is over there ... Marine Corps. He’s on patrol atop a Humvee with a fully loaded 50.


30 posted on 05/19/2010 2:16:55 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Crush

I would not go out.


31 posted on 05/19/2010 2:17:06 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Thank You God for Freeing the Navy Seals)
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To: Crush

This must be part of the Courageous Restraint stuff that’s going around.


32 posted on 05/19/2010 2:18:23 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: Crush

I can’t see any seasoned soldier actually patrolling without a bullet chambered.

Anyway, the title is misleading. The weapons have full magazines, they just don’t have a round chambered. The only thing this order does is cause a soldier who actually obeyed it to have a slower reaction time in the event of an ambush and likely get himself killed as a result. That’s all this means.


33 posted on 05/19/2010 2:18:31 PM PDT by Lancey Howard (/sarc)
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To: Crush

This is great. If true, now that word is out, the enemy will attack knowing they have the drop on us. Unbelieveable.


34 posted on 05/19/2010 2:19:27 PM PDT by dwg2
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To: pissant

Pissant, I hope to God you are right.


35 posted on 05/19/2010 2:20:57 PM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be a Pariah)
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To: Crush
In an ambush situation, just how long does it take to engage a target when your weapon isn't already loaded?

Too long.

36 posted on 05/19/2010 2:21:15 PM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: Crush

A weapon with an empty chamber is not a weapon.


37 posted on 05/19/2010 2:21:15 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: Crush

An old Infantryman’s technical nit picking here.

A weapon can be loaded (magazine in the well) but not locked and loaded, meaning one round already in the chamber. I have seen situations where similar requirements were made, and the troops would simply lock their bolts back and put their magazines in. This would allow them to hit the bolt release and the bolt would load a round as it slid forward. 1 sec action for a normal person, fraction of that for a trained rifleman with the adrenaline pumping.

I have seen even worse - where the issued magazines were covered in plastic and taped with some seal. To which the grunts responded by getting their own mags and ammo and would carry their own and simply turn in the issued mags.


38 posted on 05/19/2010 2:25:38 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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39 posted on 05/19/2010 2:26:17 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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Brought to you by the same administration that's handing out "restraint" awards to our fighting men. Disgusting.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

40 posted on 05/19/2010 2:27:20 PM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: Crush

To be fair, let’s have the same rules for cops in Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, San Francisco, Lansing, New Orleans and other cities Democrats run.


41 posted on 05/19/2010 2:31:33 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: dadgum

Me too


42 posted on 05/19/2010 2:32:42 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Lancey Howard

It also means you give yourself away ‘cuz you can’t silently chamber a round.

The enemy will know you are there, just like chambering a round in your Glock or your pump shotgun.

Chambering a round has a VERY distinctive sound.


43 posted on 05/19/2010 2:37:46 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Crush

I would consider that an unlawful order and have to decide to follow it or not.

Time to get a lawyer.


44 posted on 05/19/2010 2:38:24 PM PDT by hattend (The era of John McCain is over, the era of Ronald Reagan is back! Go Sarah Go!)
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To: unkus
Me, too. The troops won’t put up with this BS and neither would their field commanders.

I was an Army grunt in Desert Storm. We had the same orders. In fact, at one point, we were told not to have loaded magazines in the weapon at all, just in our pouches. I think you vastly underestimate the ability of high-level officers and politicians to treat our military like retarded children.
45 posted on 05/19/2010 2:39:44 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: CIB-173RDABN

When and where you in Vietnam that you weren’t allowed to have a round in the chamber? Don’t try to tell me you were on patrol in that condition.


46 posted on 05/19/2010 2:39:57 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: taxcontrol

The troops simply say F U and do what’s got to be done.


47 posted on 05/19/2010 2:40:45 PM PDT by unkus
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To: CIB-173RDABN

but I do know from persoanl experience we were not allowed to keep a round in the chamber in Viet Nam.


And you ignored it, I hope.


48 posted on 05/19/2010 2:42:42 PM PDT by unkus
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“Amber” status requires weapons to have a loaded magazine, but the safety on and no round chambered.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't even engage the safety on an M-16 until the firing pin is locked in the firing position, can you? That's how my AR works.

How does that work if you can't chamber a round? :)
49 posted on 05/19/2010 2:43:22 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: massgopguy

Even after the US Embassy bombings in Africa our troops stood guard at the gates of our military bases in Germany with no ammunition in their weapons.


50 posted on 05/19/2010 2:44:16 PM PDT by Carley (WE CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM OUR HOUSE)
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