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Eagle Scout's penalty stands
timesunion.com ^ | 5-20-10 | SCOTT WALDMAN

Posted on 05/20/2010 1:05:26 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

Matthew Whalen's suspension will stand.

On Wednesday night, the Lansingburgh Central School District board of education rejected Whalen's appeal of the punishment and decided not to expunge the blemish on the record of the Eagle Scout suspended for having a pocketknife in his car while the vehicle was on the grounds of Lansingburgh High School. Whalen received a 20-day suspension in September after he turned over to school administrators a 1 1/2-inch knife that he kept in his glove box as part of a car survival kit. He returned to school in October.

Whalen has said he does not know how school officials learned he had a pocketknife in his car, but suspects another student may have tipped off administrators in an attempt to pull a prank on him.

School officials, who did not respond to requests for comment, have said Whalen violated the school district's zero-tolerance policy because he brought a weapon on to school grounds and that the suspension was an appropriate response. The case raised national furor when Whalen went on two separate national Fox News programs to discuss the penalty. He worried that the action could hurt his chances of getting into West Point.

He said he never realized the school considered the keychain knife a weapon. He said his grandfather Robert Whalen -- who recently retired as police chief of the Hoosic Falls Police Department -- gave him the folding knife to use in his car after they used it to cut wires while installing a car radio.

Whalen was given a Lifesaving Heroism Award by the Boy Scouts of America at age 13 after he performed CPR on his aunt, saving her life. He said he carries water bottles, a sleeping bag and a change of clothes in his 1999 Mercury Sable in case it breaks down. He considered the key-chain knife part of that preparedness kit.

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/ASPStories/story.asp?StoryID=868106#ixzz0oVBJ25GX


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bsa; discipline; eaglescout; education; idiocy; liberalfascism; publiceducation; publicschools; ruling; suspension; zerotolerance
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Update to Noverber 20, 2009 story. This decision is sheer idiocy.
1 posted on 05/20/2010 1:05:27 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Aren’t most of our schools today?


2 posted on 05/20/2010 1:07:44 PM PDT by RC2
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Liberalism and common sense do not and can not coexist.


3 posted on 05/20/2010 1:07:50 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Was his crime having the knife or being an Eagle Scout?


4 posted on 05/20/2010 1:07:50 PM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I feel so much safer knowing this Eagle Scout’s 1-1/2” knife is not on school grounds.

What a bunch of buffoons running that school system.


5 posted on 05/20/2010 1:08:30 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (US out of the UN - UN out of the US)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

ALLES IN ORDNUNG ! ! !

SIEG HEIL ! ! !

AGENDA UBER ALLES ! ! !

OK, I’ll stop channeling an educrat.


6 posted on 05/20/2010 1:08:43 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The purpose of Zero-Tolerance is to pretend that a kid like this is the same as a gang-banger.

Equal-outcome is the name of the game.

7 posted on 05/20/2010 1:08:50 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: Spok
Was his crime having the knife or being an Eagle Scout?

Yes.

8 posted on 05/20/2010 1:08:59 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

In my day, any kid fortunate enough to have a pick-up, also had a gun rack with at least one gun in it and they parked right on the school parking lot.


9 posted on 05/20/2010 1:09:57 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

idiocracy


10 posted on 05/20/2010 1:10:05 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Typical brain-dead, one-size-fits-all thinking that pervades our public schools. School administrators are not allowed to use their independent judgment.


11 posted on 05/20/2010 1:10:41 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This is still America right? It’s so hard to tell these days.


12 posted on 05/20/2010 1:12:47 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: afraidfortherepublic
the Lansingburgh Central School District board of education rejected Whalen's appeal of the punishment

No, a "District board" didn't do anything. People did. Who are they? What are their names? What is their reasoning, or lack thereof? I guess a news article by a group with "Union" in their name isn't really interested in details.

13 posted on 05/20/2010 1:13:43 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
What country did this occur in ? New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Illinois or Maryland?
14 posted on 05/20/2010 1:14:04 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Over the years I've been called upon to render life saving assistance to people in serious distress ~ drowning, trapped by debris under water, burning in a fire, choking on cafeteria food, etc. Even stopped one morning to render assistance to a state trooper who'd gotten smashed by a bus (thankfully a Fairfax cop pulled up and I got to leave ~ nothing to do anyway).

The probability is good that this will happen in the future. Because of this particular instance I will change my approach. First, the ID. If they are associated with a school board, public school, or any funding organization for such institutions, they are ON THEIR OWN.

Too much risk in getting sued to help those people.

15 posted on 05/20/2010 1:14:43 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: fish hawk

If it happened in New Jersey, New York, Maryland, Illinois or Massachusetts - no.

It didn’t happen in America. You can relax.


16 posted on 05/20/2010 1:15:29 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: afraidfortherepublic
He said he never realized the school considered the keychain knife a weapon.

Heck, the school probably considers drawing a mere picture of a knife to be grounds for expulsion.

17 posted on 05/20/2010 1:15:38 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If West Point rejects this kid because of an inch and a half pocket knife, then they are just as big a set of moonbats as the kid’s high school officials. The Eagle Scout is better off without West Point if they reject him because of something so trivial. I’m hoping they have more sense than that at The Point, but then again, look at how the Army handled the Fort Hood shooting.


18 posted on 05/20/2010 1:17:18 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm voting for Sarah Palin because she pisses off the right people.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I have that keychain knife, and the school administrators are idiots to think of it as a weapon. In a real fight, I'd rather face someone with that little toy in his hands than someone using his fists.

19 posted on 05/20/2010 1:17:33 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Tallguy

We need to ban pencils and pens in skool, those can be weapons as well. Students should only use jumbo crayons.

Just your kakistocracy at work.


20 posted on 05/20/2010 1:17:50 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democrat Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: muawiyah
"If they are associated with a school board, public school, or any funding organization for such institutions, they are ON THEIR OWN."

Then I sure hope someone ELSE will be along any minute, otherwise I'm SOL...:-(

21 posted on 05/20/2010 1:18:09 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Utter lunacy.


22 posted on 05/20/2010 1:18:21 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Someone needs to anonymously report the Superintendent for having a deadly weapon in his car.

Tire irons have been used in more homicides than a 1 1/2 blade knife.

They are deadly weapons and should not be allowed on school property.


23 posted on 05/20/2010 1:18:53 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: ZULU

It was in New York in LANSINGBURGH.

I am sure one of his two Senators in that state will still give him a West Point appointment after all they are.....

opps, better wait a minute.


24 posted on 05/20/2010 1:19:00 PM PDT by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
The Eagle Scout is better off without West Point if they reject him because of something so trivial.

If I remember right when this came out, some reporter that was a bit more intrepid than others called admissions at West Point to ask this question.

The answer, roughly, was "Hell no, we don't care. We've got bigger fish to fry than some charge trumped up by a nosybody administrator."

If this kid doesn't get in, it won't be because of this situation.

25 posted on 05/20/2010 1:21:18 PM PDT by wbill
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Amazing. Hopefully being persecuted like this will wake this kid up politically (if he isn’t already politically awake).

2+2=5.


26 posted on 05/20/2010 1:22:16 PM PDT by FenwickBabbitt
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Zero-tolerance policies: Counterfeit of good judgment for those who have none.
27 posted on 05/20/2010 1:23:55 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: KC Burke

Well, I guess I was right. It wasn’t in America.

The way things are going, America will be a state of mind, not a country anymore anyway.

The spectacle created by that dwarf from Mexico City on the floor of Congress along with that fawning Marxist Muslim in the Whaite House pretty much shows that.


28 posted on 05/20/2010 1:24:02 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: Pollster1

The mind of the Libtard is a difficult thing to understand; because thier method of processing data is akin to watching a cow chew it’s cud. Slow, mechanized and easily distracted.

Consider, 9/11 would NOT have happened if the FAA had stated that passengers were allowed to bring their pocketknives with them. When you have a plane full of armed passengers, a terrorist with a box-cutter is going to get his throat cut by a fellow passenger who says “Not on MY watch”.


29 posted on 05/20/2010 1:24:58 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: RC2

What do you expect from idiots whose main concern is to protect their career?


30 posted on 05/20/2010 1:25:52 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Spok

Yes

Gunner


31 posted on 05/20/2010 1:26:29 PM PDT by weps4ret (Where is John Galt?)
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To: Spok

His crime is being an Eagle Scout.


32 posted on 05/20/2010 1:26:58 PM PDT by cblue55 (Choose life; abort Obamacare)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
If grandpa is (or recently was) the police chief, I don't think that I'd want to drive around town if I was one of these braindead administrators.

Zero tolerance means just that. Complete stops at stop signs. 35mph in a 35 zone...not 36 or 37. And all of the equipment on their car had best be in A+ operational order.

Just sayin'. Not that I'd impose undue restrictions on a specific segment of the population just for their beliefs, however foolish and misguided they are. I'd just strictly enforce the laws that are on the books for a certain set of people. That's all. :-)

33 posted on 05/20/2010 1:27:03 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Mr. Mojo

I find posts this very funny. My son attended a private school where every young man carried a knife some were pocket knives some were worn on the belt. It was sort of a status symbol. It was never a problem. I’m not talking about a 1 1/2 inch knife either. I’m talking about the “Now, this is a knife...” kind. The guys took very seriously the responsibility of having such a weapon.

Why can these admistrators not look at the situation and apply some common sense? Don’t they have any real authority?
If I were the adminstrator and knew the kid, my reaction would be something like. “Just see that it stays in the golve box.” End of issue.


34 posted on 05/20/2010 1:29:50 PM PDT by super7man
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To: super7man

Too many administrators! It’s like DC; too many staffers that have little to do but to play tin god.


35 posted on 05/20/2010 1:32:25 PM PDT by IbJensen ((Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: Mr. Mojo

I bet if he used his fingers to simulate firing a gun he would also get expelled. Zero tolerance policy on guns ya know!


36 posted on 05/20/2010 1:32:56 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
These leftists have to be taught a lesson somehow. This is getting beyond the pale. Maybe the people need to show up en mass and collectively fire them.

I used to take a shotgun and hunting cloths to school and then a couple of us and our Biology teacher would go bird hunting after classes.

My old Junior High had a shooting range located under the school pool. We used to have shooting classes after school and have competitions using 22LR.

I think the leftist school apparatchiks collective heads would explode if those things still happened today.

As an aside: school violence was nearly nonexistent back then.

37 posted on 05/20/2010 1:34:39 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“The purpose of Zero-Tolerance is to pretend that a kid like this is the same as a gang-banger.”

Exactly. Many’s the PTA and local school board meeting I attended where the mantra was “the rules have to be the same for the ‘good’ kids as the ‘bad’ kids.” It gave all the educrats cover and left them never, ever having to use that old fashioned thing called judgment.


38 posted on 05/20/2010 1:35:48 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: afraidfortherepublic

What if this Eagle Scout had later died because he needed that knife which he had surrendered? What would the school board say then? Would they have expunged his record then?


39 posted on 05/20/2010 1:36:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: super7man
My son attended a private school where every young man carried a knife... I’m not talking about a 1 1/2 inch knife either. I’m talking about the “Now, this is a knife...” kind.

Like this?


40 posted on 05/20/2010 1:40:10 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ( Racism is the first refuge of liberals. --J.T. Young)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Academics are nearly always the stupidest people I meet.


41 posted on 05/20/2010 1:40:18 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Here ya go:

Superintendent'S Office
Lansingburg Central Schools
576 5thAvenue, Troy NY 12182
518-233-6850

Source

Linky Thing: Lansingburg Central School District Manual

George's email

ggoodwin@lansingburgh.org

Source

Linky Thing: Lansingburg District email listings

42 posted on 05/20/2010 1:42:30 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Excellent observation. He’s better off avoiding West Point, if they’d reject him over this.


43 posted on 05/20/2010 1:42:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Amateurish," agreed Janet Napolitano, the White House amateurishness czar.)
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To: wbill

I’m glad to hear this.

In other words, the admission people at West Point are normal Americans, whereas many of our public school administrators across the U.S. are out-of-control PC types.


44 posted on 05/20/2010 1:42:45 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm voting for Sarah Palin because she pisses off the right people.)
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To: super7man
You really should correct your terminology. A knife is a tool.

Declaring anything as a weapon to a Texas LEO (traffic stop for example) could be a felony. *Anything you say can and WILL be used against you.*

Several times I have said NO while having several gun cases in plain view and a 5.25" clip knife sticking out of my pants pocket. "Then what are those?"...my firearms and a pocket knife.

45 posted on 05/20/2010 1:43:14 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, you know chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Attractive knife! All sorts of weapons are kicking around *my* school, and nobody’s been massacred yet ... although I’ve been really tempted ...


46 posted on 05/20/2010 1:43:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Amateurish," agreed Janet Napolitano, the White House amateurishness czar.)
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To: OldMissileer
My old Junior High had a shooting range located under the school pool. We used to have shooting classes after school and have competitions using 22LR.

Actually, my old high school still does. And they have a full Jr ROTC program (open to girls) and a Rifle Team. That's in Fresno CA.

47 posted on 05/20/2010 1:46:03 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Pollster1
That's not a knife. . .

THIS is a Knife. . .

48 posted on 05/20/2010 1:46:16 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: OldMissileer
My old Junior High had a shooting range ...We used to have shooting classes after school and have competitions using 22LR. I think the leftist school apparatchiks collective heads would explode if those things still happened today. As an aside: school violence was nearly nonexistent back then.

Yes, schools are so much safer now that they've eliminated all that harmful prayer and started teaching homosexual techniques!

Our school had bow and arrow practice out back, with big straw-stuffed targets.

The worst thing that happened on our suburban DC campus in the early 60s was that a senior, over 18, drank a beer in the school parking lot during Senior Week. The school threatened to cancel graduation.

49 posted on 05/20/2010 1:47:05 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ( Racism is the first refuge of liberals. --J.T. Young)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Heck, the school probably considers drawing a mere picture of a knife to be grounds for expulsion.

Actually, the words “a picture of a knife” spelled out should be grounds enough. And if the words “a picture of a knife” are rendered in a foreign language, why that’s a concealed weapon.


50 posted on 05/20/2010 1:48:16 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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