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Obama administration should heed Mexico's call to crack down on guns
Washington Post ^ | May 21, 2010

Posted on 05/21/2010 4:49:23 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

MEXICAN PRESIDENT Felipe Calderón has shown courage in leading his government to take on the violent drug gangs that have claimed thousands of Mexican lives. On Thursday, he displayed a different kind of fortitude: standing before a joint meeting of Congress and asking for a revival of the U.S. assault weapons ban. The Obama administration, which has been largely absent in the fight against the illegal gun trade, should have such backbone.

Mr. Calderón, who has been in Washington for a state visit, made a powerful case. Over the past three years, Mexican authorities have seized some 75,000 weapons used in crimes; more than 80 percent of those they were able to trace came from the United States. Mr. Calderón argued that the surge in violent, cartel-related crimes coincided with the 2004 repeal of the U.S. assault weapons ban.

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Over the past three years, Mexican authorities have seized some 75,000 weapons used in crimes; more than 80 percent of those they were able to trace came from the United States.

So what percentage are traceable guns of the 75,000 seized? 10%, 1%? Probably most of the guns were untraceable.

WaPo is engaging in some slippery wording here to distort the facts.

1 posted on 05/21/2010 4:49:24 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Hey, why not? There won’t be a single Democrat left by 2012 anyways. Go for broke!


2 posted on 05/21/2010 4:50:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Lazamataz

Maybe they’d be happier in Mexico.


3 posted on 05/21/2010 4:52:12 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea.")
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To: Second Amendment First

and how many of those “traceable” guns were simply attributed to us from the “made in the usa” stamp on them?


4 posted on 05/21/2010 4:52:18 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: Second Amendment First

Its time for additional layoffs at the compost.The last guy to leave please turn out the lights.


5 posted on 05/21/2010 4:53:26 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Second Amendment First

“So what percentage are traceable guns of the 75,000 seized? 10%, 1%? Probably most of the guns were untraceable.”

Exactly, it is much more likely that the untraceable guns were from elsewhere, other than the US and that most of the 75,000 guns were untraceable. That is exactly why the Washington Post wrote it that way, to deceive.


6 posted on 05/21/2010 4:56:38 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Second Amendment First

The Washington Tass flatulates on cue from it’s 0bamunist masters, nothing new here.

As for Calderon?

Go visit the local Taco Bell, stuff your piehole with a big beef burrito, do a Mexican hat dance, then GTF outta OUR Country!


7 posted on 05/21/2010 4:57:09 AM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: Second Amendment First

We should build a 40 foot wall from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico.

We’ll keep our guns inside the U.S., and Mexico can keep their underclass inside Mexico. Works for me.


8 posted on 05/21/2010 4:57:26 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm voting for Sarah Palin because she pisses off the right people.)
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To: Lazamataz

“Hey, why not? There won’t be a single Democrat left by 2012 anyways. Go for broke!”

You are kidding right? If not, begin preparing yourself for great disappointment...


9 posted on 05/21/2010 4:57:44 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Second Amendment First

So what if the arms were made in the USA. Enquiring minds want to know who purchased, transported and sold the arms in Mexico. I’m sure they were just ordinary tourists looking to make a little extra cash to spend on the lush beaches of old Mexico - or not . . .

P.S. Dear Mr. Calderone, closing American borders would solve this problem because smuggling is a two way street - comprende? Besides, if an open border is leaving your country with a bunch of armed thugs and drug peddlers, you ought to give a little thought to the concept of ‘brain drain’ which also seems to be impacting your increasing stupid nation.


10 posted on 05/21/2010 4:59:26 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Wpin

Well, if not, we will be a fully-communist country — complete with roundups and starvation purges and gulags — by 2014.


11 posted on 05/21/2010 4:59:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Second Amendment First

If one were to bring guns into Mexico, all one would have to do is load up your trunk with AK’s and drive through the “Nada Para Declarar” gate at the border. If you’re lucky, the Mexican border guards will wave at you!


12 posted on 05/21/2010 5:00:13 AM PDT by saluki_in_ohio (I support statehood for Central and Southern Illinois. Let Cook County play with itself...)
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To: Lazamataz

Sounds about right.


13 posted on 05/21/2010 5:00:49 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Second Amendment First
"..came from the United States."

If only there was some kind of device..a barrier of some sort that could be constructed along the border to keep those guns out. If only someone would invent such a device.

14 posted on 05/21/2010 5:01:53 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
I'm sure I'm not the first person to suggest to Señor Calderón that he kindly drop dead, STFU & don't even begin to presume to tell us what to do, and to quietly pack his sh!t and go back to his 3rd-world hellhole of a country.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

15 posted on 05/21/2010 5:02:12 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: absolootezer0

The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.

What’s true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency’s assistant director, “is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S.”

But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

“Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market,” Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News.

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced — and of those, 90 percent — 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover — were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

So, if not from the U.S., where do they come from? There are a variety of sources:

— The Black Market. Mexico is a virtual arms bazaar, with fragmentation grenades from South Korea, AK-47s from China, and shoulder-fired rocket launchers from Spain, Israel and former Soviet bloc manufacturers.

— Russian crime organizations. Interpol says Russian Mafia groups such as Poldolskaya and Moscow-based Solntsevskaya are actively trafficking drugs and arms in Mexico.

- South America. During the late 1990s, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) established a clandestine arms smuggling and drug trafficking partnership with the Tijuana cartel, according to the Federal Research Division report from the Library of Congress.

— Asia. According to a 2006 Amnesty International Report, China has provided arms to countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America. Chinese assault weapons and Korean explosives have been recovered in Mexico.

— The Mexican Army. More than 150,000 soldiers deserted in the last six years, according to Mexican Congressman Robert Badillo. Many took their weapons with them, including the standard issue M-16 assault rifle made in Belgium.

— Guatemala. U.S. intelligence agencies say traffickers move immigrants, stolen cars, guns and drugs, including most of America’s cocaine, along the porous Mexican-Guatemalan border. On March 27, La Hora, a Guatemalan newspaper, reported that police seized 500 grenades and a load of AK-47s on the border. Police say the cache was transported by a Mexican drug cartel operating out of Ixcan, a border town.


16 posted on 05/21/2010 5:02:51 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA, Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: Lazamataz

“Well, if not, we will be a fully-communist country — complete with roundups and starvation purges and gulags — by 2014.”

There is a whole range of possibilities between the two extremes you mention... unfortunately, many are not good and are fairly likely to occur.


17 posted on 05/21/2010 5:03:57 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Second Amendment First

These people pull this banning cr*p out every chance they get.


18 posted on 05/21/2010 5:06:01 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Second Amendment First

obama should appoint this guy acting vice-president to replace the dain-bramaged Joe Biden.


19 posted on 05/21/2010 5:07:07 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: Second Amendment First
more than 80 percent of those (guns) they were able to trace came from the United States

What percentage of crime in the Southwest USA is traceable to mexican illegal 'immigrants?'

Maybe we should crack down on them first.

20 posted on 05/21/2010 5:09:22 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: Second Amendment First

When they say “traced to the USA” do they mean they came from the retail market in the US or does it just mean that they were manufactured by an American company?


21 posted on 05/21/2010 5:12:16 AM PDT by farmguy
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To: Jaxter
If only there was some kind of device..a barrier of some sort that could be constructed along the border to keep those guns out. If only someone would invent such a device.

I know. It IS frustrating, isn't it? All this modern technology and we just haven't been able to come up with anything.

Take heart, though. I'm SURE our benevolent federal government has the BEST minds in the country working 24/7 on the problem even as I type this...

;-)

22 posted on 05/21/2010 5:13:45 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Second Amendment First
So the left’s solutions to illegal immigration include, a national ID card for LEGAL residents, gun control for LEGAL residents, etc. And people have to ask why I get upset sometimes...
23 posted on 05/21/2010 5:14:29 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Second Amendment First

not surprising the Washington Post pushes crap like this.
better info from a cracker jack box.


24 posted on 05/21/2010 5:16:22 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs. (FUBO))
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To: Second Amendment First

IF there are any guns going south we should put a stop to it, We need those firearms to stay here, on the border, pointed south.


25 posted on 05/21/2010 5:16:59 AM PDT by muddler (Obama is either incompetent or malicious, and it makes little difference which.)
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To: Second Amendment First

The author does not deserve to breath free air.


26 posted on 05/21/2010 5:17:36 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Second Amendment First

From what I have read, 20% or fewer are actually traceable.

Also, U.S. firearms manufacturers make guns and ship them, legally, to the governments of many Latin American countries, including Mexico (after all, we make some of the best firearms in the world right here in the good Ol’ USA). But I wonder what country THOSE guns are “traced to” when (not if, WHEN) they turn up in the hands of the drug gangs.


27 posted on 05/21/2010 5:19:21 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Second Amendment First

Yup. There the guns into Mexico is all BS.


28 posted on 05/21/2010 5:20:12 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (If you can read this you are the resistance. (Oh and the GOP can bite me for $$$))
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To: Red Dog #1

Wow! You must be one of those wackos who thinks the Bill of Rights applies to him, peronally!

;-)

PS - The above words were actually, and SERIOUSLY, said to me once by a person who I had previously thought had a b rain.


29 posted on 05/21/2010 5:25:18 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Joe Brower

DITTO! hit the road Jack and don’t come back no more, no more.


30 posted on 05/21/2010 5:26:01 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: Second Amendment First

Its just a ‘plausible’ excuse for the gun grabbers to promote their agenda. If Congress does pass an assault weapons ban look for it to be far more draconian than the last. I suspect there will be no grandfathering and either you lose your weapons now or when you die. Either way LE has a big problem on their hands.

Also pls recall the sunset of the last assault weapons ban...in retrospect it was shown to be a completely worthless law.


31 posted on 05/21/2010 5:26:34 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Second Amendment First

How much of the drugs entering the US are traceable to Mexico. Using Mexican logic cant we blame the traffic in guns on Mexican DEMAND?


32 posted on 05/21/2010 5:26:58 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Second Amendment First

It’s the same tired lie the freedom haters parade around.


33 posted on 05/21/2010 5:29:32 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: Second Amendment First
WaPo is engaging in some slippery wording here to distort the facts.

(sarc)No. Not the WaPo! Say it isn't so....(/sarc)

When can we start decorating lamp posts with these TRAITORS?

34 posted on 05/21/2010 5:30:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: Joe Brower
On Thursday, he displayed a different kind of fortitude: standing before a joint meeting of Congress and asking for a revival of the U.S. assault weapons ban.

I don't understand why the media always calls the tyrants who support gun control "courageous" They're the exact opposite - hiding behind layers of armed securty personnel. I'll go along with the "courageous" appellation if and only if they

  1. disarm their police
  2. Disarm and disband their person protection details and go around like the rest of us.
Until such time I'll call them sniveling cowardly thugs.
35 posted on 05/21/2010 5:31:40 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: maddog55

Machine guns are so difficult to obtain in the US that it is much easier to smuggle them in from other countries.


36 posted on 05/21/2010 5:31:44 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: Second Amendment First

nuke mexico


37 posted on 05/21/2010 5:32:32 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: Second Amendment First

This whole visit was nothing but a propaganda campaign set up by the Obamao regime, right down to the planted “poor kid whose parents are in this country illegally” to the horse hockey about the guns.

I have had just about enough out of the lot of them.


38 posted on 05/21/2010 5:33:57 AM PDT by Nahanni
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To: from occupied ga
"I don't understand why the media always calls the tyrants who support gun control 'courageous'"

Because they're shameless bootlickers, that's why. Useful idiots whose great reward will be the end of a rope. Imagine their surprise.

39 posted on 05/21/2010 5:34:43 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Second Amendment First
“Obama administration should heed Mexico's call to crack down on guns”

Subtitle Translation:

“Obama administration should ignore America's call to crack down on illegal immigration”

40 posted on 05/21/2010 5:35:10 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: MozarkDawg
And it is a FELONY every time they do it.

Look up USC Title 18. Section 241 and 242.

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same;...

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

Every time they start talking about restricting our BoR Protected Rights, we need to find a DA and get Federal felony charges filed.

Seriously.

41 posted on 05/21/2010 5:35:50 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: Second Amendment First
I see some fancy footwork, by OBAMA!

Obama, of course, is an idiot who has learned nothing about the effects of gun bans. Look at Chicago!

However, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid BOTH told Obama to back off of his anti-gun agenda -— early on.

I think Obama is using the border issue to force the hands of those in his own Democrat Party.

Which -— does kind of help Republicans, in November, does it not?

42 posted on 05/21/2010 5:36:53 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: maddog55

Thanks for an excellent educational post.

But the bottom line is that if the President of Mexico does not like what is happening on the border, all he has to do is close it from his side.

I would have told him to close the border or close his mouth.


43 posted on 05/21/2010 5:41:20 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Second Amendment First

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw


44 posted on 05/21/2010 5:44:24 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Lazamataz

Bang to the top. I hope they try it, combine with an amnesty bill. Invest in popcorn futures.


45 posted on 05/21/2010 5:44:42 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Wpin
Spot on! Only about 11% of the guns going into Mexico come from the United States. The rest come from China, and other Central and South American countries. And from Mexico itself from defectors from their own army who kept their weapon. Our State Department knows the truth, but you won't here it out of Washington.
46 posted on 05/21/2010 5:53:29 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Second Amendment First
MEXICAN PRESIDENT Felipe Calderón has shown courage in leading his government to take on the violent drug gangs that have claimed thousands of Mexican lives.

So...now it takes "courage" to protect a country and it's citizens?

Have daily hangings for these bastards and this crap would stop.

47 posted on 05/21/2010 5:56:25 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Kansas58
Obama, of course, is an idiot who has learned nothing about the effects of gun bans. Look at Chicago!

I disagree. Obama know exactly what the effect of gun bans are. They disarm and render helpless the law abiding members of the populace. This is EXACTLY the objective. He doesn't care about crooks. What all tyrants fear is the general populace and people like Timothy McVeigh reating to tyranny in a violent way and thus threatening their power.

Every law that Kongress passes and 0 signs into law is backed ultimately by the death penalty. What politicians hate and fear is that same possibility for themselves. The crooks in our society are not a challenge to the government's power. All they want is to rob and kill a few of us and let the government do the same. If you can effectively defend yourself against unorganized thieves and murders, then you might also be able to defend yourself against the government's organized thugs. This is what they fear.

48 posted on 05/21/2010 6:07:25 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Second Amendment First

New Film ‘Machete’ evokes race war

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b6OcO3DoZQ


49 posted on 05/21/2010 6:08:25 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Second Amendment First

50 posted on 05/21/2010 6:09:30 AM PDT by reaganrevolutionin2010
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