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The New Old German Problem
Pajamas Media ^ | May 22, 2010 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 05/22/2010 2:10:42 PM PDT by decimon

Reflections on Germany

(Munich) I’ve been walking the last two days through Munich. Much of the city core was bombed out by the allies by spring 1945. Yet today there is little evidence of such destruction. The museums are among the best in the world, the streets and parks spotless, the infrastructure superb, and the people as hard at work as ever. To walk an urban street in Germany is a different experience from say in Athens or Istanbul—traffic follows law, pedestrians are respected, horns are used rarely, trash is absent. In other words, things work and work well.

Such observations sound stereotypical these days, but to even the casual observer the difference between life in Germany and much of eastern and southern Mediterranean seems far greater than the divide between a Minnesota and Mississippi. For someone who has lived in Greece and occasionally visits Germany, it becomes increasingly clearer each year why the European Union won’t work. Germans work and create wealth. Yet under the present system, they do not receive commensurate psychological rewards—and increasingly insufficient material compensation as well.

And history shows us that an unhappy Germany is a very dangerous thing indeed.

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TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: europe; german; germany; munich; problem; reflections; vdh; victordavishanson
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To: Hillbillary

Ferrry intairestink, but dumm.


21 posted on 05/22/2010 3:25:23 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: Renegade

That’s weird! Because I heard something in a similiar vein from an American family who had lived in Europe during the 50s.

They said Germany was neat, organized and working hard: that you saw little in the way of damage left from the last war. Whereas, France still hadn’t picked up, gotten itself together, and lots of buildings still showed damage from the last war.


22 posted on 05/22/2010 3:31:15 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: decimon

I’m not certain Russia’s collapse is such a certainty as VDH would suggest. I’m convinced Putin desires very much to create a new axis in Europe as he has been blowing kisses Germany’s way for some time now and they’re not the basket case they were 15 years ago. I know the demographics of both aren’t that great but I think it would be foolish to underestimate Putin especially given the tack we’ve recently taken with zer0 at the helm.


23 posted on 05/22/2010 3:41:26 PM PDT by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: decimon
And history shows us that an unhappy Germany is a very dangerous thing indeed.

And why is that Hanson? Because Germans are genetically predisposed to be dangerous when they are "unhappy"? Any other group you care to mention who has this trait?

24 posted on 05/22/2010 3:44:01 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: dsrtsage

Animal House Reference!


25 posted on 05/22/2010 3:54:15 PM PDT by crazydad (What)
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To: decimon
So cash-flush German banks loaned the European poorer nations easy money to buy all things German. The EU would both guarantee the debts, and reap the benefits at large — as Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Spain would begin to see their infrastructure and lifestyles match those of France, Germany and the Netherlands.

Isn't that what China did with us? Loaned us money so we could buy their goods - while we shipped our jobs to them?

26 posted on 05/22/2010 3:57:03 PM PDT by GOPJ (...man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth-Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: crazydad

Shhhhh!, he’s on a roll.


27 posted on 05/22/2010 3:57:46 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Brugmansian
And why is that Hanson? Because Germans are genetically predisposed to be dangerous when they are "unhappy"?

Ummm, Germany's earned their reputation... the good one and the bad.

28 posted on 05/22/2010 4:02:18 PM PDT by GOPJ (...man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth-Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Paladin2

Thanks, I saved the pic for my collection.


29 posted on 05/22/2010 4:03:47 PM PDT by FW190
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To: FW190

I was wondering if the model number was the jet powered flying wing, so I looked it up and found that pic (@ wikipedia).


30 posted on 05/22/2010 4:15:00 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Beautiful Plane.. Although the Mustang Whooped most of them out of the sky!


31 posted on 05/22/2010 4:35:37 PM PDT by crazydad (What)
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To: Paladin2

Wasn’t the flying wing the Horton something?


32 posted on 05/22/2010 4:36:42 PM PDT by crazydad (What)
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To: FW190

http://www.mszu.de/
No argument here.


33 posted on 05/22/2010 4:49:05 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: decimon

bump


34 posted on 05/23/2010 7:14:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (...man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth-Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Renegade

I understand that East Germany was the exception, however. Some war damage was still there after reunification.


35 posted on 05/23/2010 7:20:33 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: decimon

Notice VDH is now hanging in the editorial sidebar of News/Activism, not Bloggers & Personal.

Some blogs are blogs, and others are real, solid commentary. Thanks for posting this one.


36 posted on 05/23/2010 9:43:30 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: decimon

I sure don’t comprehend Hanson’s worrying about a revival of German military aggression.

Their problem now is for Germany to avoid having to permanently support certain irresponsible European Union members. If they don’t think the Greeks will repay them, or that they will ultimately be expected to bail out the PIIGS, it is logical to expect that the Germans will “vent their anger” by getting out of the European Union and revive their own currency, so that the can engage in mutually beneficial trade with other productive countries.

The division of Germany and the Versailles treaty are ancient history, and Germany is no longer has an exploding population. So why would they want to occupy Alsace-Lorraine or grab territory in Eastern Europe?


37 posted on 05/23/2010 11:16:46 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: dsrtsage

He ain’t kidding about traffic laws. I made the mistake of dashing across a rainy empty street in Munich a week ago and being spotted by a cop....


38 posted on 05/24/2010 3:45:40 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: rbg81

No no no. The Greeks have convinced themselves this is all Germany’s fault for stealing their gold in WW2, and America’s fault for cheating them now with slick banking tricks. It’s not THEIR fault. No way....


39 posted on 05/24/2010 3:52:00 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Brugmansian

We can get kind of testy when we're mad...
40 posted on 05/24/2010 3:56:35 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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