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Berliners dream of return to deutschmark
UK Guardian ^ | 5-23-2010 | Kate Connolly

Posted on 05/23/2010 10:34:29 AM PDT by Frantzie

In the back of the Berliner Republik bar on the banks of the river Spree, Matt, Otto and Christian's eyes are fixed on a screen in front of them. The names and prices of 18 German draught beers flash up, bright green on a black background, and change every few seconds, according to who has ordered what.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Germany
KEYWORDS: bankrupt; germany; greece; socialism
Not a great story because the UK Guardian is a crap paper but a lot of interesting things. Mainly - the failure of socialism and evil of govt union workers. The Guardian would obviously post a story from Berlin cause it is liberal and mostly broke.

They talk about how Europeans foolishly rushed towards this naive one-europe idea. Sold like Hope & Change and just as bad.

Now the Germans want their D-Mark back and it will happen. Germans even in liberal Berlin are enraged about paying for Greek unionized civil servants.

So we see Greece was a tipping point for the failure of: socialism, big corrupt govt, govt unions, etc etc.

It seems like Europeans are waking up. Maybe they will also wake up to the threat of Islam. What is interesting is America is facing the same dilemma of bankruptcy do to govt workers unions, open borders, etc. I have less confidence here because the idiots are brainwashed by TV.

The 5 TV networks who control 95+% of all the channels are 100% for Obama. Fox/Saudia is not any better because the Saudis bought the white hut in 2008.

1 posted on 05/23/2010 10:34:30 AM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie

Is it any wonder no white caucasians (ie europeans and americans) are having children? Why bring them into a world where they will have to fight like cornered rats for survival?


2 posted on 05/23/2010 10:38:07 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Frantzie
Cabaret artists have been making jokes about wheelbarrows of notes, or telling the one about the German and the Greek who go out to eat, the German choosing the cheapest item on the menu, the Greek gorging on a range of dishes, before the waiter brings the German the bill at the end.

the first refers to the hyperinflation in Weimar Era.

3 posted on 05/23/2010 10:40:16 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Cacique

Really, it is something to seriously think about these days. Pretty sad...


4 posted on 05/23/2010 10:46:18 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: Frantzie

Our future is playing out before our eyes in Europe. It’s too bad so many aren’t paying attention. I guess those of us who are just need to keep shouting out to those who aren’t and try to get them to focus on reality.


5 posted on 05/23/2010 10:49:29 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Kiss my AZ!!!)
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To: Frantzie
QUESTION:

How do you stop everyone in Europe from taking all their Euros and changing them into NDM ('Neue Deutschmark')?

6 posted on 05/23/2010 10:57:13 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: nutmeg

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7 posted on 05/23/2010 10:59:25 AM PDT by nutmeg (You didn't "misspeak", Mr. Blumenthal... you LIED)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It is just like the USA where govt union workers around the country but especially in places like CA, NY(c), DC, IL, MI are gorging while the avg taxpayer is suffering.

The CA govt pensions are broke and other states are in the same boat. Small Conneticut has about an $80 billion unfunded govt workers pension liabilities and 3 million residents.

Americans state and Federal govt liabilities are astronomical compared to Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, etc.


8 posted on 05/23/2010 11:05:51 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators)
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To: Frantzie

I forgot to point out that the Guardian newspaper which has always been a lib trade unionist paper is writing a story here on the failures of socialism. They go out of their way to not connect the dots.


9 posted on 05/23/2010 11:07:24 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators)
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To: Cacique

Yup. The world also penalizes responsible behavior now. Barbarians will outbreed the people who hold societies together. The moeny is running out now. The responsible people will have to take up arms before it is too late.


10 posted on 05/23/2010 11:10:44 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Only the X serial numbers come from the Bundesbank


11 posted on 05/23/2010 11:11:33 AM PDT by robertwalker62
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To: I am Richard Brandon

With mausers and lugers?


12 posted on 05/23/2010 11:15:28 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: robertwalker62
"Only the X serial numbers come from the Bundesbank"

Interesting, but it would really p off all those Germans holding non-X bills .... and you know what happens when Germans get really p.d off.

13 posted on 05/23/2010 11:30:03 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Frantzie
"Her statement sums up the frustration of a country that for years, to make up for its warmongering past, shouldered the burdens of the European project."

Now there's something that catches the eye of anyone who's ever read an Ayn Rand novel.

14 posted on 05/23/2010 11:35:04 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Frantzie

Their dreams might come true... can’t see the Euro still existing a year from now...


15 posted on 05/23/2010 11:35:53 AM PDT by GOPJ (...man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth-Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Since 1945, that has been exactly zero. Europe would never allow it - that’s part of the reason the Euro exists.


16 posted on 05/23/2010 11:39:15 AM PDT by robertwalker62
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To: Frantzie
The German public is starting to feel like a pack of mugs, a lot like the American public. They are going into debt for Millions of Euros, loaning it out to idiotic countries like Greece, to support someone elses dream of a United Europe.
And on top of this, NO COLATERAL.
Is it any wonder Europe is going more conservative.
17 posted on 05/23/2010 12:17:40 PM PDT by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: robertwalker62
What has been exactly zero? Cash money is fungible. If I go to Europe, I play with Euros but I don’t check to see if they have an X as part of the serial number.
18 posted on 05/23/2010 12:44:03 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Frantzie
I have read (and even copied here :), "[The European Monetary Union] suddenly emerged as a very real possibility in the aftermath of the Soviet Union collapse. France was concerned that Germany would divert its attention to the East and Germany formally needed the Allies, including France, to agree to its re-unification with East Germany. President Mitterrand linked his support to the establishment of a common currency and Chancellor Kohl accepted the deal.

"With little experience to rely upon and limited theoretical backing, economists and policy-makers had to invent practically everything in little time. Policy-makers rushed to negotiate a detailed agreement, having no time for detailed economic analysis. . . ."

I do remember story after story over the years of the 1950's and beyond that France longed for a way to supplant the dollar -- or at least reduce its influence. The Euro was it. I bet. Nice try -- but we can do that all by ourselves, thank you.

19 posted on 05/23/2010 1:03:22 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Germans have done exactly zero in response to being p -ed off since 1945. I see them taking the tact of Sweden after the death of Gustavius Adolfus during the Thirty Years’ War from here on out, Russian intervention notwithstanding.


20 posted on 05/23/2010 1:05:18 PM PDT by robertwalker62
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To: Frantzie

“Now the Germans want their D-Mark back and it will happen. Germans even in liberal Berlin are enraged about paying for Greek unionized civil servants. “

Interesting - the thing that’s REALLY made it easy for the socialists to prevail over there has been the unification of Europe. Split it back up - and we just might see other good things fall into place (like getting back their culture).


21 posted on 05/23/2010 1:15:45 PM PDT by BobL
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

I do not engage in “stupid and spineless” European threads as they have not elected Muslims to run (destroy) their country.

After what happened in Nov 2008 - my guess is Europe may outlast another country.


22 posted on 05/23/2010 1:24:47 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators)
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To: BobL

A fried once said we would miss the cold war a lot. The fall of the Soviet Union created a vacuum that Islam filled. Reagan never should have helped the muhajidean that much. He and others ignored 1200 + years of Islam trying to take over the world.


23 posted on 05/23/2010 1:27:09 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators)
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To: Frantzie

“Reagan never should have helped the muhajidean that much. He and others ignored 1200 + years of Islam trying to take over the world.”

Yes and no. The Cold War was SERIOUS BUSINESS. I remember a report from Dan Rather (before he completely flipped) just after the Wall came down. He was at the Fulda Gap between West and East Germany. That was the expected invasion route for the 50,000 Soviet tanks. It scared the hell out of me. Not to mention Soviet nukes (many still around, unfortunately) that were so big that we chose not to build them - as they served no military purpose other than annihilating a large city and most areas around it. This was serious stuff - I’ll take Jihad ANY DAY over the threat posed by those weapons - particularly if they got a Stalin instead of a Gorby once they had their weapons in place.


24 posted on 05/23/2010 1:32:43 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL
Jihad? You do know you have a Saudi Wahnahabi agent running the United States? He is running the same playbook the Labour Party ran to destroy Englandistan. You do not he will cause irreparable harm.
25 posted on 05/23/2010 1:41:56 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators)
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To: Frantzie

“Jihad? You do know you have a Saudi Wahnahabi agent running the United States? He is running the same playbook the Labour Party ran to destroy Englandistan. You do not he will cause irreparable harm. “

Yea - I see your point. I was thinking more in terms of blowing up a few buildings, rather than 90% of the Continental US.


26 posted on 05/23/2010 1:46:05 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Russians were probably too civilized for that. We are stuck with becoming boiling frogs because the idiots have given the power over their lives and liberty to those who control TV. All 5 networks control all channels and they 100% support Hussein and Islamification.

Amazingly people here have no clue what is really going on. The rest of the public cares about NCAA ball games and beer.

Than Russians and MADD also kept Islam and N KOrea in line.


27 posted on 05/23/2010 1:52:19 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Very good question. All euro bills are valued the same, whether they are marked ‘X’ or whatever. They’re spread out all over Europe and the world anyway. (It’s not like you change your ‘X’ bills to ‘Y’ bills when crossing a border...)

There was massive fraud when the Ostmark was allowed to be converted to Deutsche Mark. This would open the doors to fraud many orders of magnitude greater. Even if the conversion was tied to citizenship. (”Hey Achmed, since you’ve got a German passport, convert these billions of euros to the new Deutsche Mark for me, will ya?”)

The only viable way I see would be a currency reform like after WW II - everyone gets a few hundred new Deutsche Mark and there you go. Back to square one. Don’t complain, please.


28 posted on 05/23/2010 2:08:14 PM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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To: Frantzie
German anger towards the Greeks has manifested itself in cancelled holidays. "It is the only way I can voice my protest," one woman who recently pulled her booking to Corfu told the tabloid Bild.

Actually, the wrong kind of response, I think. Millions of Germans should spend their holidays in Greece, charge everything on their hotel room number - and then go back home without paying their bills!

29 posted on 05/23/2010 2:28:01 PM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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To: Frantzie

I’m sorry to say.the future lies in India or China. The US has gone the way of Rome and London.


30 posted on 05/23/2010 3:54:39 PM PDT by billuk1
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To: Frantzie

For my benefit.. was the quote I used or my recollection that was “stupid and spineless”? Both?


31 posted on 05/23/2010 4:13:09 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Frantzie

Ze drem vil finali kum tru.


32 posted on 05/23/2010 4:27:26 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Frantzie
Victor Davis Hanson: The New Old German Problem

http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-new-old-german-problem/

33 posted on 05/23/2010 6:51:43 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad
From the VDH piece linked above:

Very soon German workers are going to grasp that all the financial reserves they piled away the last two decades from not doing what a Spain or Italy did are essentially gone. Someone in Munich worked 40 hours a week until age 67 for someone in Athens not to — and for someone in Athens to demand that someone in Munich do so or else.

34 posted on 05/23/2010 7:04:28 PM PDT by TChad
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