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Europeans Fear Crisis Threatens Liberal Benefits
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/world/europe/23europe.html?pagewanted=1&ref=europe ^ | May 22, 2010 | S. Erlanger

Posted on 05/23/2010 3:58:51 PM PDT by Leisler

PARIS — Across Western Europe, the “lifestyle superpower,” the assumptions and gains of a lifetime are suddenly in doubt. The deficit crisis that threatens the euro has also undermined the sustainability of the European standard of social welfare, built by left-leaning governments since the end of World War II.

Europeans have boasted about their social model, with its generous vacations and early retirements, its national health care systems and extensive welfare benefits, contrasting it with the comparative harshness of American capitalism.

Europeans have benefited from low military spending, protected by NATO and the American nuclear umbrella. They have also translated higher taxes into a cradle-to-grave safety net. “The Europe that protects” is a slogan of the European Union.

But all over Europe governments with big budgets, falling tax revenues and aging populations are experiencing rising deficits, with more bad news ahead.

With low growth, low birthrates and longer life expectancies, Europe can no longer afford....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benefits; crisis; europe; european; europeans; fear; liberal; threatens
"Gustave Brun d’Arre, 18, is still in high school. “The only thing we’re told is that we will have to pay for the others,” he said, sipping a beer at a cafe. The waiter interrupted, discussing plans to alter the French pension system. “It will be a mess,” the waiter said. “We’ll have to work harder and longer in our jobs.”
1 posted on 05/23/2010 3:58:52 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: Leisler
"It will be a mess,” the waiter said. “We’ll have to work harder and longer in our jobs.”

Hhmmmmm.....maybe they WILL wake up.....

2 posted on 05/23/2010 4:00:26 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Destroy AMERICA.....Vote DEMOCRAT)
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To: Leisler

Duh.


3 posted on 05/23/2010 4:03:07 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Leisler

If your social policy is to spend today every dime you can beg, borrow, or steal, and kite the check to the next generation, you need to be sure to have a next generation.


4 posted on 05/23/2010 4:03:33 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Leisler

Oh boy,where’s my violin.Frogs got a free ride while we spent a fortune on their defence.Now they all want to bitch about having to actually work.


5 posted on 05/23/2010 4:04:15 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop thinking about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Leisler
The only reason they could sustain it for so long is the United States paid for their defense.

They were able to pump that savings to prop up and delay the inevitable crash, which will now be worse for the delay.

6 posted on 05/23/2010 4:04:51 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Leisler
Hey, as many have said on this site; "deal with reality or reality will deal with you". The Europeans are dealing with reality that they cannot afford the social welfare programs they have created over the years.

We in the United States are going to deal with it also. California, New Jersey and soon most states are going to have the same problems Greece is having. As one Senator put it the other day; "you can't have a society with more takers than makers."
7 posted on 05/23/2010 4:05:05 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: OldMissileer
The only reason they could sustain it for so long is the United States paid for their defense.

Absolutely! I forgot about that aspect of it. We carried Europe from 1945 till the end of the cold war. To be fair, the UK put as much in per capita for defense as the US did, but they are the only country that did.
8 posted on 05/23/2010 4:08:20 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Leisler
Those smug bastards have enjoyed peace and prosperity for over 60 years under the shelter of American military might - it's about time they paid the freight.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
9 posted on 05/23/2010 4:10:09 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: Leisler

Hey..they voted for the mess.


10 posted on 05/23/2010 4:19:40 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Leisler

So, just as Europe figures out the wwelfare state party is a hangover, Obama signs us up for the same.


11 posted on 05/23/2010 4:20:04 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Leisler
Liberal feminist anti-male, anti-marriage, pro-abortion policies:


12 posted on 05/23/2010 4:25:38 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ( Racism is the first refuge of liberals. --J.T. Young)
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To: Leisler

Boohoo, get off your LAZY azzes and do something productive like running your own business. Some might actually find it more financially rewarding then lying around all day.


13 posted on 05/23/2010 4:25:55 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: Leisler
Mark Steyn said words to the effect that western civilization is taxing, aborting and buggering itself into extinction. Quite right.
14 posted on 05/23/2010 4:33:42 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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Europeans Fear Crisis Threatens Liberal Benefits

Well effin' duh! Liberal "beliefs" don't work in the real world. Sorry for the harsh wake up call but this is reality.

15 posted on 05/23/2010 4:35:14 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: Leisler

Gee....socialism doesn’t work.

Whoulda thunk it?


16 posted on 05/23/2010 4:37:22 PM PDT by Ethrane ("obsta principiis")
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To: Ethrane

So what now? Will europeans have to sit in sidewalk cafes all day without buying anything to eat or drink? That’s rough. Loser socialists.


17 posted on 05/23/2010 4:43:19 PM PDT by hal ogen ($10 (I think) amounts through the internet from all over the world.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Wither it is the killing fields of France, or WWII, or fleeing to the New World, or getting abortions, Europe has always been hard on its young. And, now it offers them debt payments and no social luxuries. War, flight or debt.


18 posted on 05/23/2010 5:37:52 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: hal ogen

LOL...really.

What now?

Well, either the governments of the world, including ours, rein in spending, cut entitlements, re-adjust government worker pay/retirement peaceably...or as always, there will be violence and bloodshed.


19 posted on 05/23/2010 5:44:52 PM PDT by Ethrane ("obsta principiis")
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To: truthguy

“you can’t have a society with more takers than makers.”

And I say you can’t have more receivers than taxpayers... ;)


20 posted on 05/23/2010 5:45:21 PM PDT by billuk1
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To: Leisler

Well, of course... As it is beginning to affect us.


21 posted on 05/23/2010 6:08:14 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

The red tape, social protections, union rules and regulations are insane in Europe, especially France. Example; you want to leave a job you have to give three months notice, when you start a job you have a six month trial period, if you get fired during the trial period you get no unemployment benefits because you quit your first job and haven’t worked the required 6 months. Clearly, it’s safer to just keep the same old job.
I meet a couple wine producers who decided to paint pretty flowers and vines on their bottles by hand, but the local union of wine producers showed up and told them to stop, or else big trouble.
I could go on for hours, there are tons of examples.
Sadly, it sounds like the same thing is happening in the States.


22 posted on 05/23/2010 11:45:32 PM PDT by paristwelve (Feeling sorry for things is just an excuse for not celebrating your own happiness.)
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