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Course correction in carriers’ future
Sign On San Diego ^ | 5/23/2010 | Jeanette Steele

Posted on 05/23/2010 6:05:56 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

On the bridge of the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln, there’s a 20-year-old quartermaster with a No. 2 pencil, a compass and a big map unfurled on a table.

In one of the ironies of America’s modern Navy, that map and that quartermaster are the official method of navigation for the $4 billion carrier and the 5,000 souls on board.

Even as the Navy installs the most high-tech equipment on its carriers — including the San Diego-based Carl Vinson, which recently returned to the fleet after a four-year overhaul — none of the nation’s 11 flattops is certified to rely on electronic navigation.

So if the United States put a man on the moon in 1969, why is it still using pencils on the bridges of nuclear-powered ships?

Because the Navy, like an aircraft carrier, doesn’t change direction quickly.

“It’s only been 10 to 12 years ago that we started down this road, transitioning from a paper Navy for navigation to a paperless Navy for navigation,” said Cmdr. Ashley Evans, deputy navigator for the Navy in Washington, D.C.

The Navy is poised to radically change the way it has sailed since the days of wooden ships. This summer, Navy leaders are expected to issue an order that allows skippers to stop maintaining up-to-date paper “charts” — what sailors call maps — on board.

Four of the Navy’s carriers possess the electronics to navigate by computer; the rest are set to receive the gear by 2013.

It takes about a year to become certified for operating the equipment, and none of the Navy’s carrier crews has done so yet. But some destroyers and cruisers currently sail with the computer readout as the primary guide.

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; carrier; flattop; gps; navair; navigation; quartermaster; usn; usnavy
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1 posted on 05/23/2010 6:05:56 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

I won’t name the boat, but I was on a carrier where they lost power to the whole island for a while. We received a request (on the sound powered phone system) to send a hand held gps to the bridge so they could maintain a plot.


2 posted on 05/23/2010 6:08:26 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Actually, I am kind of relieved that the navy isn’t dependent on computers that can be hacked, attacked or blown up and on fire when they are needed.


3 posted on 05/23/2010 6:09:30 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: sonofstrangelove

Of course, they’ll still keep the charts up to date so it will be double work. No captain would risk dropping the load with no back up.


4 posted on 05/23/2010 6:10:41 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: Vince Ferrer

They can buy a firewall from McAfee


5 posted on 05/23/2010 6:10:47 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("You hit somebody with your fist and not with your fingers spread:-General Heinz Guderian)
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To: magslinger

Tangential NAVAIR ping...


6 posted on 05/23/2010 6:11:37 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: Vince Ferrer
Agreed - they need to keep those QM's and keep training them for old-time navigation.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
7 posted on 05/23/2010 6:11:59 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: sonofstrangelove
...“charts” — what sailors call maps....

'Maps' get looked at: 'charts' get written on. Very old distinction.

8 posted on 05/23/2010 6:13:54 PM PDT by Grut
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To: USNBandit
Moronic decision if they don't maintain both methods. It's too easy for an enemy to sabotage satellites or use an EMP weapon. If they don't maintain traditional navigation skills and rely only on the gizmos, someone will take advantage, and the results will not be good.
9 posted on 05/23/2010 6:14:55 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 393)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Gee, you can get a nice cheap GPS at Best Buy for next to nothing.


10 posted on 05/23/2010 6:15:10 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Just ask the pirates the Ruskies let go if they wished they had studied celestial/solar navigation a little harder.


11 posted on 05/23/2010 6:15:39 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: neodad

“True Virgins Make Dull Company At Weddings”

...or, more appropriate for this forum,

“Can Dead Men Vote Twice At Elections”


12 posted on 05/23/2010 6:16:05 PM PDT by Former War Criminal (My senior Senator (who served in Vietnam) said so.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

All I need is a fast ship and a star to steer her by.....


13 posted on 05/23/2010 6:16:07 PM PDT by The Klingon
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To: Vince Ferrer
You were saying ...

Actually, I am kind of relieved that the navy isn’t dependent on computers that can be hacked, attacked or blown up and on fire when they are needed.

Ah yes... the Battlestar Galactica syndrome ... :-)


14 posted on 05/23/2010 6:19:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: The Klingon
I must down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
15 posted on 05/23/2010 6:19:11 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: USNBandit

Damned right. It’s a war machine not a New England @SSHat’s yacht. That 20 year old with a CHART is the last line between us and slavery.


16 posted on 05/23/2010 6:20:42 PM PDT by Dead Dog (Hope is Dope)
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To: USNBandit
I won’t name the boat, but I was on a carrier where they lost power to the whole island for a while. We received a request (on the sound powered phone system) to send a hand held gps to the bridge so they could maintain a plot.

That sounds fascinatingly unbelievable, LOL!

17 posted on 05/23/2010 6:21:03 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Vince Ferrer
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/05/world-cup-want-a-cheap-hotel-room.html

Been watching Battlestar Galactica lately?

18 posted on 05/23/2010 6:21:33 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: sonofstrangelove

This reminds me of the behind-the-scenes tour I took at NASA a couple years ago. (The “VIP” tour for $80 or so is some of the best money you’ll ever spend.) In mission control, I noticed that one of the big wall screens had what looked like a DOS command shell up in one corner. I asked what it was for and found out that in today’s space shuttles, commands are entered into the main computer in HEX. Same software that was in use during the Apollo era is in use today. HEX. I kid you not.

MM (in TX)


19 posted on 05/23/2010 6:22:03 PM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: Vince Ferrer

How many folks on any vessels (military or commercial) at sea today know how to get a 3 star fix (with 2 mile accuracy) using a sextant, chronometer, and tables?


20 posted on 05/23/2010 6:23:54 PM PDT by B-Cause (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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