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Course correction in carriers’ future
Sign On San Diego ^ | 5/23/2010 | Jeanette Steele

Posted on 05/23/2010 6:05:56 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

On the bridge of the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln, there’s a 20-year-old quartermaster with a No. 2 pencil, a compass and a big map unfurled on a table.

In one of the ironies of America’s modern Navy, that map and that quartermaster are the official method of navigation for the $4 billion carrier and the 5,000 souls on board.

Even as the Navy installs the most high-tech equipment on its carriers — including the San Diego-based Carl Vinson, which recently returned to the fleet after a four-year overhaul — none of the nation’s 11 flattops is certified to rely on electronic navigation.

So if the United States put a man on the moon in 1969, why is it still using pencils on the bridges of nuclear-powered ships?

Because the Navy, like an aircraft carrier, doesn’t change direction quickly.

“It’s only been 10 to 12 years ago that we started down this road, transitioning from a paper Navy for navigation to a paperless Navy for navigation,” said Cmdr. Ashley Evans, deputy navigator for the Navy in Washington, D.C.

The Navy is poised to radically change the way it has sailed since the days of wooden ships. This summer, Navy leaders are expected to issue an order that allows skippers to stop maintaining up-to-date paper “charts” — what sailors call maps — on board.

Four of the Navy’s carriers possess the electronics to navigate by computer; the rest are set to receive the gear by 2013.

It takes about a year to become certified for operating the equipment, and none of the Navy’s carrier crews has done so yet. But some destroyers and cruisers currently sail with the computer readout as the primary guide.

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; carrier; flattop; gps; navair; navigation; quartermaster; usn; usnavy
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To: B-Cause

“How many folks on any vessels (military or commercial) at sea today know how to get a 3 star fix (with 2 mile accuracy) using a sextant, chronometer, and tables?”

Guilty sir!


41 posted on 05/23/2010 7:11:58 PM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: USNBandit
I think even the Vinson still uses a Ouja Board.
42 posted on 05/23/2010 7:12:21 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Don't go chasing waterfalls.....)
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To: Star Traveler

Excellent analogy!


43 posted on 05/23/2010 7:13:25 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Don't go chasing waterfalls.....)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Paper maps with details of the sea bed are really good if you don't want to run aground. An accurate clock, sextant and star charts will get you by if the GPS satellites are wiped out. We are talking navy ships here that must be functional if forced into a war after EMP has knocked out critical infrastructure.
44 posted on 05/23/2010 7:14:11 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: sonofstrangelove

This argument re GPS vs. “charts-and-darts” applies to the field artillery as well.


45 posted on 05/23/2010 7:18:49 PM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: Grut

I’ve never known anyone who calls a navigational chart a “map”.
A proper sailor who navigates the oceans had better be able to take star-shots for dead reckoning. It may be one of the only choices he has in an emergency black-out.
One of the major flaws that bite people, here on the Great Lakes, is a over-reliance on GPS. They punch in a destination, hit go-to, and never consult a chart, which would show the rocky shoals that lie directly between them, and the destination, lakeside bar.
The ship I served on still had a quaint blow-pipe, a ships telegraph, a brass binnacle (complete w/navigators’ nuts), and a very large wooden wheel. No GPS. We were hi-tech with Loran, Radar, an intermitant Gyro, and charts.
The Captain was a crusty old Aussie (40), who would drink us young-uns under the the table, and then could circum-navigate us across the oceans with nary a care.


46 posted on 05/23/2010 7:20:53 PM PDT by gigster
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To: mad_as_he$$
If you are talking about the flight deck model in Flight Deck Control, I heard they were coming up with an electronic version of that. Blasphemy, I tell ya.

They even got rid of Mr. Hand, the guy that used to move side numbers around the CCA pattern for Case III ops.

47 posted on 05/23/2010 7:33:33 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ConorMacNessa
I must go down to the sea again - to the lonely sea and the sky.
(I left my shirt and trousies there - I wonder if they're dry.)

. . . don't blame me, blame Spike Milligan (may he rest in peace.)

48 posted on 05/23/2010 7:38:15 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)T)
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To: AnAmericanMother
LOL! Masefield, of course, is spinning in his grave!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
49 posted on 05/23/2010 7:40:17 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: gigster
Dang, you had BETTER know how to use the charts or you are going to be in heap big trouble.

I heard about some non-navigating idiot in the Atlantic Race for Cruisers who accidentally programmed BOTH his GPSs at 700 kts instead of 7. Several days into the race he radio'd at large in a panic because the GPS said he was in the Sea of Japan somewhere.

50 posted on 05/23/2010 7:41:19 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)T)
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To: navyblue; B-Cause
I'm a bit out of practice but I can do it.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

51 posted on 05/23/2010 7:41:59 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Oh, Masefield was a good sport and probably would have a big laugh and a beer with Milligan.

Shoot, maybe they ARE having a beer in a celestial hole-in-the-wall somewhere.

52 posted on 05/23/2010 7:42:44 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)T)
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To: John S Mosby
Geez, we used to make fun of pilots who went from VOR station to VOR station.

My CFI drilled old-fashioned navigation into my head very thoroughly. I was very grateful for that instruction when schlepping Cub Scouts around in the North Georgia mountains.

53 posted on 05/23/2010 7:46:27 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)T)
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To: John S Mosby
The pilot totally depended on his GPS avionics. He could not fly dead reckoning or a compass. This should be like spelling- you have to know the word to know what to answer spellcheck with...

Hear hear! Eye donut think its two much too ask. Their are to many weighs two screw up if ewe depend on gizmo's. I here much of hour equipment is nut hardened - subject two EMPs. Know won should depend exclusively on electronics. (this page spell checked!)

54 posted on 05/23/2010 7:47:14 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

It works doesn’t it?


55 posted on 05/23/2010 8:23:38 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Ronin

I’m sure that same bridge crew winds the chronometer in the drawer of the chart table every day at exactly the same time and then notes any error, the successive daily rate, with average daily rate.

When in danger
OR in doubt
Hoist all sail
and you know the rest.


56 posted on 05/23/2010 9:17:18 PM PDT by ASOC (Things are not always as they appear, ask the dog chasing the car)
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To: B-Cause

A vet ensign(?) explained that to us today on the Midway tour in San Diego.

The Reagan and 2 other carriers were sitting across the bay, and he pointed out that the same navigation and piloting skills are applicable on those carriers.

It’s wonderful having those vets explaining everything on the tours. I enjoyed the vet who explained how the carrier was steam powered and what it was like working in the engine room.


57 posted on 05/23/2010 10:03:08 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: 70times7

Well, you had me going for a second,there.


58 posted on 05/23/2010 10:18:07 PM PDT by gigster
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To: AnAmericanMother
I must go down to the sea again-to the lonely sea and the sky.

And all I ask is a tall ship, and a star to steer her by.

59 posted on 05/23/2010 10:27:55 PM PDT by gigster
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To: gigster

Mission accomplished! ;^)


60 posted on 05/23/2010 11:15:42 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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