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Britain bans doctor who linked autism to vaccine
Associated Press ^ | May 24,2010 | MARIA CHENG

Posted on 05/24/2010 8:44:47 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW

LONDON (AP) - Britain's top medical group on Monday banned a doctor whose research suggesting a link between a common vaccine and autism caused millions of parents worldwide to abandon the shot for measles, mumps and rubella.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield was the first to publish peer-reviewed research suggesting such a connection, even though the study was later widely discredited. The ruling by Britain's General Medical Council found him guilty of serious professional misconduct.

Wakefield, 53, then moved to the U.S. and set up an autism center in Texas, where he has a wide following, but faces similar skepticism from the medical community. The ruling in Britain only applies to his right to practice medicine in the U.K., not in other countries.

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Ten of the study's authors later renounced its conclusions and it was retracted by the Lancet in February.

So a group of doctors publish a peer reviewed study, the stuff hits the fan and they run.

1 posted on 05/24/2010 8:44:47 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW
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To: DJ MacWoW

The problem is in peer review you did not dig deep down into the actual data so you are trusting the authors are being honest.


2 posted on 05/24/2010 8:46:00 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: DJ MacWoW; Black Agnes

bttt


3 posted on 05/24/2010 8:47:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: C19fan

This also wasn’t just 1 doctor. There were 10 or more. When pressure was applied, they recanted the study.


4 posted on 05/24/2010 8:48:55 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

A lot of these multi-author studies is just pure padding of one’s resume.


5 posted on 05/24/2010 8:51:09 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: DJ MacWoW

who knows which is the truth. The establishment may be in error and the lone genius who everyone called the kook maybe correct. Not the first time this has happened in history


6 posted on 05/24/2010 8:52:16 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

That’s what I’m thinking.


7 posted on 05/24/2010 8:54:15 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: 4rcane
History shows that there are a lot more kooks than lonely geniuses. You can probably count the number or true lonely geniuses on one hand, while just about any small university or college has scores of kooks.
8 posted on 05/24/2010 8:56:27 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Politics and science shouldn’t mix. Scientists should be cautious when they enter into any area in which there are political forces at work, pro or con. With government managing heatlhcare, doctors will have to tread lightly, and realize that political expedience trumps public safety.


9 posted on 05/24/2010 8:57:14 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: 4rcane

You might have thought that when this kook first came out with his faked studies, but now that they are debunked, there is no excuse. He has caused a lot of damage and is responsible for many children dying because they weren’t vaccinated.


10 posted on 05/24/2010 8:57:20 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: MrShoop; 4rcane

Yes. government run healthcare is so honest! /s


11 posted on 05/24/2010 9:02:28 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: MrShoop
Sometimes kooks are on to something...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US-autism-6-17-1996-2007.png

A five fold increase in a decade isnt anecdotal

12 posted on 05/24/2010 9:07:36 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompitence..)
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To: Crim

Will vaccines didn’t start in 1996 so that should be a clue that they aren’t the cause.


13 posted on 05/24/2010 9:16:44 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: DJ MacWoW

autism caused by vaccines = global warming caused by humans. I’m sure the government is happy to support whatever lie gives them more power.


14 posted on 05/24/2010 9:17:41 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: MrShoop; 4rcane; Crim
You do understand that mistakes are made and then covered up, right?

SV40 stands for Simian Virus 40

The Forty Year Legacy Of Tainted Polio Vaccine

15 posted on 05/24/2010 9:19:12 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Peer Review is the heart of the system but it has become a major part of the problem. This fraud is being caused by the all consuming pursuit for money.

It wasn't that long ago that peer reviewers were tough to get by and they remained anonymous. The crap that passes for science today would never have gotten by them. Again, the money grab is to blame. Today, everyone knows who is doing the reviewing. There are still some solid journals out there, in a sea of second-rate literature, but the process is a mess.

16 posted on 05/24/2010 9:19:53 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: MrShoop

You can be gullible and trust government. It’s your choice. But see post 15.


17 posted on 05/24/2010 9:20:39 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Mase

That may all be true. But post 15 had nothing to do with the basic vaccine. And then there was the coverup.......


18 posted on 05/24/2010 9:22:25 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I never said trust the government, there is real science that says vaccines are safe, and the main study that says there was a link has been debunked. This guy is a charlatan who preys on vulnerable people (people who feel guilty about having autistic kids). But he is causing a bigger problem - the spread of real infectious disease. I recommend this article for a good overview on the issue:

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/

19 posted on 05/24/2010 9:26:14 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: MrShoop

“many children dying”

from mumps? from measles? from rubella?

had ‘em all. they’re nothing.


20 posted on 05/24/2010 9:29:06 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: DJ MacWoW

When I heard that this guy’s entire study was based on examining just 12 children I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. When I heard that at the time of the study he was being paid by a lawyer planning a class action suit against the vaccine maker, I was angry that he had duped so many parents of autistic children.


21 posted on 05/24/2010 9:31:02 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: MrShoop

“Will vaccines didn’t start in 1996 so that should be a clue that they aren’t the cause.”

I didnt claim they started in 96’...that’s where the graph starts...

Now about the five fold increase?

BTW...I’ve come to hold all science with about the same regard as I do the global warming cult or the swine flu alarmists...

People have agenda’s ,programs at risk , revenue streams and grant funding to protect...

Call me a skeptic...or a good judge of human nature...


22 posted on 05/24/2010 9:31:15 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompitence..)
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To: C19fan

I read the study and Wakesfield’s conclusion made perfect sense: there is a link between Autism and vaccines.

Think what that conclusion means to the pharmaceutical industry!!! (and to population control people). Wakefield has got to be Alinskyed alright! No doubt about it. Destroy him because he is logical and can think and arrive at a reasoned conclusion with observed data. Refuse to debate the issue, kill the truth of the study.

Of course there is a link! Tiny human bodies with undeveloped immune systems being injected with KNOWN TOXINS and to say, wow, “that does NOTHING negative to their little bodies” is absolutely INSANE.

Don’t you guys read Gates’ views on sterilizing and vaccinations? You think the cabal that controls zero doesn’t want to eliminate billions of people? You actually TRUST big government and the direction this country is going when it is the government mandating dozens of toxic injections into babies...it has grown so much over the past few decades. Increase the toxins by 10-fold and NO EFFECT??????

Right. It is too disgusting and horrible to think the truth.

Just ask yourself, why “they” mandate a vaccination for a one day old baby with known toxins for a disease that 99% of babies in the US will not be exposed to. Money? Profit? beginnings of Mercury-induced sterilization, beginnings of destroying neuron development?


23 posted on 05/24/2010 9:32:27 AM PDT by savagesusie
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To: DJ MacWoW

What gets me is this....if my dog gets vaccinated, I am told if she has any reactions to bring her right back. Meanwhile, I have known too many people who have had their children vaccinated and when they brought them to the doctor or E.R. for a bad reaction, they were told it couldn’t possibly be the vaccination.


24 posted on 05/24/2010 9:33:10 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: MrShoop

A technology magazine? Ok.


25 posted on 05/24/2010 9:33:35 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: drjimmy

See post 15.


26 posted on 05/24/2010 9:34:09 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
You are too ready to believe everything you read on the internet.

From Wiki (with references):

Wikipedia: Polio Vaccine

Now, do you have any legitimate scientific evidence showing that vaccines cause autism or not? The issue has been studied vigorously and no such link has ever been found.

27 posted on 05/24/2010 9:37:12 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: HungarianGypsy
they were told it couldn’t possibly be the vaccination.

Always. Happens everytime. And I never had a child get a vaccine that didn't get a fever and/or the site of the injection wasn't red and swollen.

I'm of the opinion that vaccines can be safe but mass production makes them risky or the delivery system, or adjuvant, is tainted.

28 posted on 05/24/2010 9:40:22 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: savagesusie
Since 2001, there is no longer any mercury in any childhood vaccine. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/updates/thimerosal_timeline.htm. If Thimersol was a problem, you'd expect to see a huge drop in autism in the last 10 years, right?

If you read the CDC page, they also note that Thimersol was removed in some European counties in 1992, and there as well, no change in autism rates.

29 posted on 05/24/2010 9:40:27 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Mase

You believe wikipedia and think they have no leftist agenda?! Um. Ok.


30 posted on 05/24/2010 9:42:24 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

History shows that there are a lot more kooks than lonely geniuses. You can probably count the number or true lonely geniuses on one hand, while just about any small university or college has scores of kooks.


Excellent point.


31 posted on 05/24/2010 9:44:43 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Spok

Politics and science shouldn’t mix. Scientists should be cautious when they enter into any area in which there are political forces at work, pro or con. With government managing heatlhcare, doctors will have to tread lightly, and realize that political expedience trumps public safety.


This really is the problem, isn’t it? Both with this issue and so many others.


32 posted on 05/24/2010 9:45:19 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: DJ MacWoW

You don’t like wikipedia, don’t like tech magazines (please read it - even if you go in with a skeptical point of view), so where are you getting your point of view that vaccines are dangerous?


33 posted on 05/24/2010 9:46:26 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: DJ MacWoW
Maybe you missed the references? Did Wikipedia make them up? Is the National Cancer Institute a creation of those leftists at Wikipedia?

Luddites and chemicalphobes will believe whatever they want to believe regardless of how much information they are presented with. If you want to believe in things that cannot be proven then nothing I say will change your mind.

Elvis is alive and living with aliens. Right?

34 posted on 05/24/2010 9:53:33 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: MrShoop
Few on FR like wikipedia. Use FR's search engine to find out why.

What does a tech magazine have to do with vaccines?

One of the problems that I find as a conservative is that the left controls most of the information conduits. I see them spin info on everything so I view everything with skepticism.

Another example of spin is the Gardasil crap. It was ok'ed by the FDA before the studies were even done. And they are mislabeling it and the hiding side affects.

Vaccines may be safe but what about the method of mass production? What about the adjuvants? There have been serious problems with both.

I simply don't trust government or their agencies. And I don't trust their mouthpieces for honest info.

35 posted on 05/24/2010 9:54:47 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: savagesusie
You said you read the Wakesfield study and the conclusion made perfect sense. Please understand that what has been shown isn't just that the study was poorly run (only 12 participants), but that he falsified the data to support his claims. It was a big lie, just like the global warming nonsense. It got him attention, and money and his own autism institute. He is a bad guy. You can read exactly what he did for the study here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683643.ece
36 posted on 05/24/2010 9:56:36 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Mase
Again, you may trust government mouthpieces like the NCI. I look for ulterior motives for findings, like monetary backing.

From NCI's website: Accurate, up-to-date, comprehensive cancer information from the U.S. government's principal agency for cancer research.

Yeah. I'll trust them.

37 posted on 05/24/2010 9:57:51 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: MrShoop; Crim

The cause of the increase is probably due to the invention of the “autism spectrum,” which means all sorts of things that didn’t used to be diagnosed as autism now are. A diagnosis of autism also turns on the money machine.


38 posted on 05/24/2010 9:58:34 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
If the article was in a news magazine it would be more trustworthy? A blog? Read it and judge it on its merits and sources.

I understand the skepticism about Gardisil. I also am not comfortable with the mandatory Hepatitis-B vaccine. I don't think either are necessary, but I believe both are safe.

Understand this, people who are in the vaccines cause autism camp are aligning themselves with the irrational left on this. It is the most liberal area of the US that are abandoning vaccines. It was Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd, and other big liberals jumping on the autism bandwagon. I have an open mind here, show me some study or science that shows a link. This so closely mirrors the global warming fraud it is scary - right down to the fake science originating in the UK.

39 posted on 05/24/2010 10:05:06 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: savagesusie

this is some looney stuff


40 posted on 05/24/2010 10:07:07 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
“many children dying”

from mumps? from measles? from rubella?

had ‘em all. they’re nothing.

You're being serious?

Thousands of children die from the measles every year. They are mostly in poor countries where the disease is more likely to result in encephalitis and pneumonia. Many of these poor kids die from the diarrhea and dehydration measles causes.

Rubella can cause serious damage or death to unborn children if the mother contracts it in early pregnancy.

Death do to mumps is rare but it can lead to encephalitis and meningitis. Before the MMR vaccine, thousands of kids went deaf from mumps.

Ever see a kid suffering from whooping cough? We vaccinate against that too and it ain't nothing.

41 posted on 05/24/2010 10:07:23 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Was this the guy who turned out to be a flat-out fraud? If so, he ought to be banned from any self-respecting professional organization.


42 posted on 05/24/2010 10:08:26 AM PDT by reaganairport
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To: 4rcane
The establishment may be in error and the lone genius who everyone called the kook maybe correct.

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it.

But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
--Carl Sagan

43 posted on 05/24/2010 10:09:53 AM PDT by reaganairport
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To: Moonman62

exactly. I might want to add that in the past, people with autism might have been diagnosed as either just retarded in the case of low functioning autistics or mentally ill in the case of the higher functioning ones.

People who have kids diagnosed with autism get better support and services than people with just mentally retarded children. This leads some people to really push for that autism diagnosis


44 posted on 05/24/2010 10:11:26 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: DJ MacWoW
See post 15.

I read the articles linked to in post 15. I don't see the connection between them and the fact that this guy based his entire study on 12 children and was being paid by the lawyer who wanted to sue the vaccine manufacturers.
45 posted on 05/24/2010 10:11:35 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: MrShoop
But it's big pharma pushing vaccines. I wish there was a more honest flow of info but there isn't. We have lost honest science to the money monster.

I believe in vaccines. I think that they work. But I think that safety is sacrificed on the altar of mass production and the use of unsafe adjuvants.

I agree with you about the Hep B too.

46 posted on 05/24/2010 10:13:12 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: savagesusie
a disease that 99% of babies in the US will not be exposed to

Most people are not exposed to these diseases because widespread vaccination inhibits the spread of the diseases in the first place.

Oh, and using the "CAPS LOCK" key doesn't make your arguments sound more convincing -- actually, it works the other way around.

47 posted on 05/24/2010 10:14:37 AM PDT by reaganairport
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To: DJ MacWoW
Why would you intentionally ignore the many other references? I know why you do, but are you honest enough to admit it?

You have no legitimate evidence showing vaccines cause autism. It is a fact that thimerosal hasn't been used since 2001 and there has been no corresponding decline in autism rates since that time. How do you explain that? You can't, but you want to believe vaccines are responsible in the worst way so you ignore all the evidence to the contrary. These are not the actions of a rational person.

48 posted on 05/24/2010 10:16:16 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase; chuck_the_tv_out

I had whooping cough when I was 4 and got german measles that year too. I did think having to wear the sunglasses was cool. ;-)


49 posted on 05/24/2010 10:18:48 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Mase
Luddites and chemicalphobes will believe whatever they want to believe regardless of how much information they are presented with.

My all-time favorites are the anti-genetic-engineering protester holding a sign reading "NO DNA IN OUR FOOD!" and the anti-nuclear-power protester holding a sign reading "JUST SAY NO TO ATOMS!"

50 posted on 05/24/2010 10:20:36 AM PDT by reaganairport
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