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Surprise: Pa. roads getting worse, study says
Pocono Record ^ | Monday, May. 24, 2010 | ???

Posted on 05/24/2010 10:04:45 AM PDT by Willie Green

PITTSBURGH (AP) — Pennsylvania's roads are getting worse.

A new report released Monday by the American Society of Civil Engineers says the state's roads get a D-minus grade. That's down from the D the engineers gave Pennsylvania's roads in a 2006 report.

The grade for the state's transit systems also went down, from D-plus to D-minus, while its bridges stayed at a C.

The ASCE says the state's bridges would be worse off if it weren't for stepped up efforts, including the use of $390 million in federal stimulus money for repairs.

But there could still be tough times ahead. Last month, the Federal Highway Administration rejected an Interstate 80 tolling plan that would have brought in nearly $500 million annually for transportation needs.

The 2010 Report Card for Pennsylvania's Infrastructure gave the state an overall grade of D-plus.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: highways; interstates; taxes; tolls

1 posted on 05/24/2010 10:04:45 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

They need a study for this conclusion? Oy.


2 posted on 05/24/2010 10:06:19 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Willie Green

Rendell administration laying the groundwork for increasing taxes and adding tolls.


3 posted on 05/24/2010 10:06:30 AM PDT by catman67
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To: Willie Green

I can’t imagine how the roads are getting worse. It seems like the ever-diligent PennDOT has 30% of them torn up for resurfacing at any one time.


4 posted on 05/24/2010 10:07:19 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: Willie Green
I have a cousin who's a PennDot Engineer. About 15-20 years ago, PA switched to a new "environmentally friendly" asphalt mixture, which, by the way, degrades far more rapidly and has nowhere near the freeze-thaw resistance of the traditional mixture.
5 posted on 05/24/2010 10:08:05 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

Ed-Rendell-is-gov-so-what-do-you-expect ping


6 posted on 05/24/2010 10:09:26 AM PDT by Tribune7 (It is immoral to claim the tea parties to be racist)
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To: Willie Green

Why in the world would this be a surprise? Its completely predictable with Fast Eddie in charge.
Good grief these reporters sure do their very best to look stupid.


7 posted on 05/24/2010 10:12:23 AM PDT by rod1
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To: catman67
The ASCE says the state's bridges would be worse off if it weren't for stepped up efforts, including the use of $390 million in federal stimulus money for repairs.

Civil Engineers grading states based on how much money is spent on Civil Engineers...

8 posted on 05/24/2010 10:13:52 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (Flame away...)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Because each stretch of repairs is meant to be a career long project.

I-81 is virtually impassable.


9 posted on 05/24/2010 10:14:07 AM PDT by rod1
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To: catman67

How can that be? I know last summer they were busily ‘fixing’ I81 which stopped traffic for miles. Anyway, the BIG signs said Barry for paying for the jig. LOL!!!! Pls don’t tell me its all a big lie...Barry and the dems wouldn’t do that, would they??? LOL...


10 posted on 05/24/2010 10:15:04 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: 556x45

Did you ever drive in PA? With all the tolls and “fines-doubled” zones you’d think they might fix a pot hole or two. I think the money is going down a black hole (or, at least, to cover ridiculous pension benefits for public “servants”).


11 posted on 05/24/2010 10:19:59 AM PDT by hal ogen ($10 (I think) amounts through the internet from all over the world.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I have a cousin who's a PennDot Engineer. About 15-20 years ago, PA switched to a new "environmentally friendly" asphalt mixture, which, by the way, degrades far more rapidly and has nowhere near the freeze-thaw resistance of the traditional mixture.

Built-in job security for repair crews!

12 posted on 05/24/2010 10:20:54 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Pretentiousness is so beneath me.)
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To: Willie Green
The roads in this state are an absolute disgrace. But I've never seen better tended private lawns and cemeteries anywhere.
13 posted on 05/24/2010 10:22:10 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Joe 6-pack; ICAB9USA; martin_fierro
I have a cousin who's a PennDot Engineer. About 15-20 years ago, PA switched to a new "environmentally friendly" asphalt mixture, which, by the way, degrades far more rapidly and has nowhere near the freeze-thaw resistance of the traditional mixture.

I vaguely recall Dee Thompson yammerin about biodegradable assfault several decades ago.
It had something to do with potholes, a PAT bus and busted axels... or something like that.
Anyway, that never woulda happened back when they had the cobblestones and streetcars anat.
I think the "Burgh oughta bring em back... BOTH of 'em...
And maybe build some new inclines too. There used to be a bunch of them.

14 posted on 05/24/2010 10:23:16 AM PDT by Willie Green (Klaatu barada nikto)
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To: Joe 6-pack

How environmentally friendly is the frequent replacement process coupled with backed-up and rerouted traffic pouring their idling fumes into the atmosphere? Methinks it has more to do with providing inflated union jobs.


15 posted on 05/24/2010 10:24:28 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Willie Green
This is the best way to see the 'Burgh...roads be damned!


16 posted on 05/24/2010 10:26:45 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Willie Green

Could they have the same problem that we have in Wisconsin - they take the gas tax money and use them for non-road use? Or are they taking the gas tax money and using it to subsidize mass transit, like choo-choo trains? Maybe if they actually used the gas-tax money on the roads, the roads would be in better shape.


17 posted on 05/24/2010 10:29:29 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: Joe 6-pack
Are those new edishuns to the gateway klipper fleet anat?
They look like they might come in handy if yinz had to go by the Mon worf anat.
18 posted on 05/24/2010 10:34:05 AM PDT by Willie Green (Klaatu barada nikto)
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To: Willie Green

19 posted on 05/24/2010 10:47:29 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Willie Green; Joe 6-pack; martin_fierro
re: I vaguely recall Dee Thompson yammerin about biodegradable assfault several decades ago. It had something to do with potholes, a PAT bus and busted axels... or something like that. Anyway, that never woulda happened back when they had the cobblestones and streetcars anat.

I have a huge pile of cobblestones in my back acre. They are fabulous ....... scooped from streets in Shadyside and Squirrel Hill .... and are very heavy!

lol

20 posted on 05/24/2010 10:47:32 AM PDT by ICAB9USA (I cut off part of my middle finger .......... it almost rendered me mute. -- Rahm Emanuel)
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21 posted on 05/24/2010 10:55:32 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: 556x45

Yes I drive thru most summers. Between the perpetual interstate work in Wilkes-Barre, the I81 work that shut down 2 of 3 lanes last summer and the nonstop pot hole between Pt. Jervis and the NY state line I have a little experience. The bottom line is no matter how much the state collects the roads will never be appreciably better. LOL, that won’t stop taxes from going up tho and dim voters from believing the shtick. Frankly the electorate of PA seems not too bright....at least many of them.


23 posted on 05/24/2010 11:29:08 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: catman67

Yep, right on. Winding up the spin machine to sell a whole bunch of tax increases and tolls. Since that means work for contracting firms this engineering society would be all over that.


24 posted on 05/24/2010 12:35:13 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: T. P. Pole

Could they have the same problem that we have in Wisconsin - they take the gas tax money and use them for non-road use? Or are they taking the gas tax money and using it to subsidize mass transit, like choo-choo trains?

Pennsylvania has tried 3 times...and been denied 3 times...requests to toll I-80. Mainly because they had planned to use part of the money to subsidize mass transit in Pittsburgh and Philly. Federal law does not permit that. Now they are floating a plan to toll EVERY highway at the point that it enters PA as sort of an Admission Fee. WHAT PART OF “NO” DO YOU CRETINS NOT UNDERSTAND!!!

(the traditional problem has been distribution...Harrisburg and Philly got taken care of, roads in Western PA were left to rot. Jim Quinn from the Quinn and Rose Show did a parody song about this back in his disc jockey days)


25 posted on 05/24/2010 12:39:00 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Skip Away
We would occaisionally get Penndot jobs in the area and we weren’t sending them cheap stuff.

That was the asphalt that was going to repave politicians' and union bosses' driveways (at taxpayer expense).

26 posted on 05/24/2010 12:44:31 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Republicans should campaign like Rush Limbaugh. A lot more of them would get elected.)
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To: Tribune7

Exactly, Rendell is sending all the Federal Highway funds to Philadelphia to subsidize mass transit, SEPTA.


28 posted on 05/24/2010 2:56:46 PM PDT by Roklok
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To: Willie Green

They are bad after ever DEM governor. I know. I grew up in Selinsgrove and left after 29 years.


29 posted on 05/24/2010 2:58:16 PM PDT by bmwcyle (NJ Governor Chris Christie for President)
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To: Willie Green

What freaking amazes me is that the year after year it seems like many of the same stretches of road are continually being reworked., and yet I never see anything wrong. They just keep reworking the same stretches.


30 posted on 05/24/2010 3:00:42 PM PDT by freemike (John Adams-Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker)
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To: rod1

Oh yeah, there you go. A toll road and it is the freaking worst highway in the state!


31 posted on 05/24/2010 3:02:16 PM PDT by freemike (John Adams-Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker)
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