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He Didnít Just Lie About Arizona: Calderon Fibbed About Assault Weapons, Too
Pajamas Media ^ | May 24 | Bob Owens

Posted on 05/24/2010 3:36:03 PM PDT by AJKauf

President Calderon’s assertion that Mexico has seized around 75,000 guns and assault weapons in the last three years — and that more than 80 percent of them came from the United States — is a bald-faced lie. It simply is not remotely connected to the truth.....

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: awb; banglist; calderon; mexico; mexifascism; mythof90percent

1 posted on 05/24/2010 3:36:03 PM PDT by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf

I thought his claim of 7,000 gun dealers along the border had just a touch of exaggeration, too.


2 posted on 05/24/2010 3:38:32 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan: "our liberal friends....know so much that isn't so...")
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To: AJKauf
Yep, the druggies get most assault weapons from Mexican Army deserters or soldier-thieves.
3 posted on 05/24/2010 3:39:56 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: AJKauf

Mexican mafia are packing machine guns, hand grenades, and bazookas.

You don’t get these at the Walmart in El Paso.


4 posted on 05/24/2010 3:40:57 PM PDT by marron
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To: AJKauf; All

Anyone care to speculate on his motivation for this? What could he gain?


5 posted on 05/24/2010 3:42:49 PM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: AJKauf

Like this is a surprise.

This needs to become a major plank in the Pubbie campaign:

“President Obama and the Democrats of Congress applauded a corrupt the foreign leader of a hostile nation as he lied about and condemned the lawful practices of an American state and lied about American gunowners.”


6 posted on 05/24/2010 3:48:00 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: tired1
Anyone care to speculate on his motivation for this? What could he gain?

Why, rapturous applause from the Communists, er, ah Democrats in Washington D.C., of course!

7 posted on 05/24/2010 3:49:06 PM PDT by Yossarian (A pro-life democrat is one who holds out for something in return for his pro-abortion vote.)
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To: tired1

He can divert attention away from the fact that it is his own people (army deserters) supplying drug dealers with arms and at the same time cement his victim status which will allow him to demand more money from the USA.


8 posted on 05/24/2010 3:50:09 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: AJKauf

“Yes, it is an accepted fact that more machine guns (typically M16s) are sold to cartels from inside the Mexican military and police forces than are smuggled across the border from the United States.”

Interesting. I didn’t know Mexico had M16’s in any quantity. I thought I’d read somewhere their army and police primarily used the H&K G3. I guess they would have other weapons though.

The important thing is, they (the cartels) are able to get them because of corruption within Mexico’s borders. Maybe President Calderone should work on that instead of blaming the United States, hmm?


9 posted on 05/24/2010 3:51:29 PM PDT by DemforBush (There's another old saying, Senator: Don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining.)
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To: tired1
"What could he gain?"

In the end, Leftists are much more concerned with hurting the good guys than they are with helping themselves.


10 posted on 05/24/2010 3:54:05 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: AJKauf
This is all part of Calderon's script! If you don't believe there is a conspiracy you are hopeless. All the crap is intended to justify what they've already decided to try.

The sheeple will eat it up!

11 posted on 05/24/2010 3:54:47 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: tired1
Anyone care to speculate on his motivation for this? What could he gain?

Continued foreign aid in the billions of dollars and other political support from Barry0 who invited him here to denigrate the laws of the U.S.

12 posted on 05/24/2010 3:55:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: tired1

Out law guns in the United States. More control over your own weapons. Also don’t forget the North American Union.....that is far from dead as far as liberals are concerned.


13 posted on 05/24/2010 3:58:42 PM PDT by RC2
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To: AJKauf

Calderon was filled with Obamao’s crap before giving his speech, and he spewed it out on Congress, much to their delight.


14 posted on 05/24/2010 3:59:06 PM PDT by pallis
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To: DemforBush
We (the United States govt) have been supplying Mexico's police and special forces with M-16s and M-4s for more than 10 years. The G-3 rifle is still in Mexican regular army service, but it is one of three standard longarms now, along with the FAL and the Mexican-produced FX-05 (based on the AR action). The FAL is largely in the hands of reserve units, and the G-3s are slowly being replaced with FX-05s.

The main source of ARs in Mexico is the Mexican police, who are the main recipients of the US aid.

Calderon's calim is a bit of clever sophistry - the weapons are in fact originally from the United States, but came into criminal hands from corrupt police and military officials, and in some cases theft.

15 posted on 05/24/2010 3:59:33 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: tired1

1. Victim Disarmament.

2. Money from the UN.

3. Favors from the Fascists.


16 posted on 05/24/2010 4:06:19 PM PDT by SwedeBoy2
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To: marron
Mexican mafia are packing machine guns, hand grenades, and bazookas

I doubt Bazookas but I expect them to have communist made RPG’s, AK47’s. These are cheap communist subsidized weapons. American weapons are hard to make full auto and an M16 would cost 200 AK’s and you don't have to clean the AK’s much. Most likely they got M16’s form the local military.

17 posted on 05/24/2010 4:27:21 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: mountainlion
I doubt Bazookas

OK. A little hyperbole. Press reports say rocket launchers. And hand grenades. Could be old Warsaw Pact stuff, that I don't know. Since at least some of the Mexican military is on the cartel payroll, it may come straight from them.

I know a guy who was a civilian tech working for the Mexican air force when he first got out of college. He says there were planes that they knew they were not to go near. His dad told him to get out or find himself drawn into something he wouldn't want to be part of, and he did. Went to work for an international company and got out altogether.

18 posted on 05/24/2010 4:36:30 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
Mexican mafia are packing machine guns, hand grenades, and bazookas.

You don’t get these at the Walmart in El Paso.

Well, that saves me a trip./sarc

19 posted on 05/24/2010 4:46:44 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: AzSteven

Ahh...that explains it, then.

Thank you for the information. :-)


20 posted on 05/24/2010 5:13:57 PM PDT by DemforBush (There's another old saying, Senator: Don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining.)
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To: AJKauf

President Calderon is drawing attention away from the problem: the north part of Mexico is no longer under government control: it is under control of three groups of vicious deadly narcotraficantes: Sinaloa Cartel, Juarez Cartel, and Zetas. American guns are not the problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaloa_Cartel
“Allegations of collusion with Mexican federal government forces”

“In May 2010 NPR aired a report alleging that the Mexican federal police and military were working in collusion with the Sinaloa Cartel. In particular, it claimed they were helping Sinaloa to take control of the Juarez Valley area and destroy the other cartels, especially La Linea (the ‘Juarez Cartel’). The report quotes a former Juarez police commander who claimed the entire department was working for the Sinaloa and helping it to fight other groups. He also claimed that Sinaloa had bribed the military. Also quoted was a Mexican reporter who claimed hearing numerous times from the public that the military had been involved in murders. Another source in the story was the US trial of Manuel Fierro-Mendez, an ex-Juarez police captain who admitted to working for Sinaloa. He claimed that Sinaloa influenced the Mexican government and military in order to gain control of the region. A US DEA agent in the same trial alleged that Fierro-Mendez had contacts with a Mexican military officer. The report also alleged, with support from an anthropologist who studies drug trafficking, that data on the low arrest rate of Sinaloa cartel members (compared to other groups) was evidence of favoritism on the part of the authorities. A Mexican official denied the allegation of favoritism, and a DEA agent and a political scientist also had alternate explanations for the arrest data.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juárez_Cartel

“The Juárez Cartel (Spanish: Cártel de Juárez), also known as the Vicente Carrillo Fuentes Organization, is a Mexican drug cartel based in Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico, across the border from El Paso, Texas. The Juárez Cartel controls one of the primary transportation routes for billions of dollars worth of illegal drug shipments annually entering the United States from Mexico. Drug lords from contiguous Mexican states have forged alliances in recent years creating a cartel that sometimes is referred to as ‘The Golden Triangle Alliance’ or ‘La Alianza Triángulo de Oro’ because of its three-state area of influence: Chihuahua, south of the U.S. state of Texas, Durango and Sinaloa. The Juarez Cartel is a ruthless, dangerous drug trafficking organization that has been known to decapitate their rivals and mutilate their corpses and dump them in public to instill fear not only to the general public but to local law enforcement and their rivals, the Sinaloa Cartel.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas

“Los Zetas is a criminal organization in Mexico dedicated mostly to international illegal drug trade and other organized crime activitites. This drug cartel was founded by an elite force of assassins from Mexican Army deserters and is now integrated by corrupt ex-federal, state, and local police officers, as well as ex-Kaibiles from Guatemala.
This group of highly trained gunmen was first hired as a private mercenary army for Mexico’s Gulf Cartel. Since the arrest of its leader, Osiel Cárdenas Guillen, as well as other events, the two entities became a combined trafficking force, with the Zetas taking a more active leadership role in drug trafficking.[2][3][4][5] Since February 2010 Los Zetas have gone independent and became enemies of its former employer/partner, the Gulf Cartel.
Los Zetas are led by Heriberto “El Lazca” Lazcano and are considered by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) as probably being the most violent paramilitary enforcement group in Mexico, capturing women and children tourist from the U.S and holding them for ransom. [6][7] Los Zetas have expanded their operations to Italy with the ‘Ndrangheta.[8]”

So, Presidenete Calderon, perhaps you should spend some time figuring out how to subdue these criminals who operate freely with guns in gun-banning Mexico and who control the government in every northern state in Mexico, rather than spending your time trying to figure out how to deprive your American citizen neighbors from their RTKBA, which ensures that we have no Zetas, nor Sinaloa nor Juarez Cartel, or if they do show up, we can shoot back, unlike your own Mexican citizens.

At present Mexico is a failed state. The President of Mexico has no standing to lecture Americans about their own states’ laws and about restricting their constitutional rights to keep and bear arms.


21 posted on 05/24/2010 8:23:49 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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