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No evidence organic foods benefit health: study
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Posted on 05/24/2010 4:24:51 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 05/24/2010 4:24:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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SOURCE: http://www.ajcn.org/ American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, online May 12, 2010.


2 posted on 05/24/2010 4:26:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: NormsRevenge
no evidence that organic and conventional foods differ significantly in their nutrient content.

The study does make sense as far as no difference in the nutritional content however majority of people opt for organic food over conventional because of lack of pesticides, antibiotics and various other additives in the organic foods.

This is the sole reason I opt for organic foods.
3 posted on 05/24/2010 4:33:35 PM PDT by MollyKuehl (Contribute to FR: $10 $20 $50 $100 REMEMBER, LURKING IS A FORM OF ENTITLEMENT!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Any one here trust your local grocer that the food they are selling as “organic” at higher prices is, in fact, organic? I don’t.


4 posted on 05/24/2010 4:33:54 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: NormsRevenge

No, but you have to admit that organic food is one of the best examples in history of the value of excellent marketing.


5 posted on 05/24/2010 4:34:50 PM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: NormsRevenge

We eat organic whenever possible (without a doubt, it tastes better). We also drink raw cow’s milk, which is outstanding; I never knew milk tasted *that* good. Chemicals are rarely a positive.


6 posted on 05/24/2010 4:34:57 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: MollyKuehl
I opt for conventionally grown vegetables because organics are fertilized with poop. I do like organic beef and milk.
7 posted on 05/24/2010 4:38:55 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: NormsRevenge

“Organic” eating is a religion. [I comment as one with a lot of formal education in the chemistry of food and nutrition.] If it makes you feel righteous and pure, do it, but that’s all placebo effect. If you want fresh, do what I do and grow your own.


8 posted on 05/24/2010 4:40:12 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: MollyKuehl

Many years ago, some environmentalist reporter was interviewing a scientist and asked, “What did people do before artificial pesticides and fertilizers?” His response was, “People died younger.”

Do you know the difference between white eggs and brown eggs? Brown eggs are more likely to come from brown colored chickens and they cost more. That’s the only difference.


9 posted on 05/24/2010 4:42:17 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: mlizzy
Yeah, and you probably prefer natural asbestos insulation over fiberglass insulation. After all, asbestos truly is a natural fiber and does a better job of insulating and you can just ignore that mesothelioma nonsense.
10 posted on 05/24/2010 4:44:31 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: NormsRevenge

Organic Food destroys the Amazon Rain Forest.

Organic Food take 3x as much land to deliver a ton of crops. When American land is used for organics, the rest of the world asks Brazil to cut down rain forest to grow the soy beans non-organically.

So to feed their egos, leftists destroy rainforest.

The most land-economical eating is with pesticides, herbicides in mass commercial agriculture. That method leaves as much forest alone as possible.


11 posted on 05/24/2010 4:44:40 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer calls opponents "Teabaggers". So we can call Kagan "Carpet Muncher." Right?)
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To: MollyKuehl
Some pesticides are allowed for use in organic foods, they just have to be “natural” like sulfur or biologicals like the bacteria Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis) are allowed to be used.

Some organic foods are loaded with bacterial contamination..so you have to be careful, especially things like raw alfalfa and bean sprouts. There was just another recall from sprouts grown in Oregon (once again). Don't assume just because it is organic that it is safer. Raw sprouts shouldn't be given to sick or people prone to certain illnesses.

See the most recent recall:
http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/05/24/salmonella-outbreak-sparks-nationwide-alfalfa-sprout-recall/

12 posted on 05/24/2010 4:45:53 PM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: NormsRevenge

The best case for organic foods is the relative lack of pesticides, antibiotics, and other synthetic chemicals and GMO contaminants.


13 posted on 05/24/2010 4:46:30 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: MollyKuehl
"The study does make sense as far as no difference in the nutritional content however majority of people opt for organic food over conventional because of lack of pesticides, antibiotics and various other additives in the organic foods."

There are indeed pesticides that are certified for use in "organic" farming. I have some of them in my shed for garden use. There is a common belief that organic equals chemical-free, and that simply is not the case.

14 posted on 05/24/2010 4:47:40 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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15 posted on 05/24/2010 4:49:08 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: SeaHawkFan
Yeah, and you probably prefer natural asbestos insulation over fiberglass insulation. After all, asbestos truly is a natural fiber and does a better job of insulating and you can just ignore that mesothelioma nonsense.
How one can compare asbestos, which is the main cause of mesothelioma, with organically grown vegetables, I do not know ...
16 posted on 05/24/2010 4:51:29 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: NormsRevenge

>> A “disappointingly small” number of well-designed studies

Why the emphasis?

And what is it about organic milk that is has a longer shelf life?


17 posted on 05/24/2010 4:51:31 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I suspect that if you were to investigate who was behind this study, it might well be either someone, or someone funded by people who make money supplying hormones, antibiotics, and pesticides to non organic corporate farms.

I buy organic milk, eggs, and meat primarily to avoid things like growth hormones, antibiotics, and pesticides which cannot be washed off these products like they can with fruits and vegetables.

Studies like this will never be able to capture a long enough period of time to determine whether avoiding these substances in your 20s, 30s, and 40s helps you avoid cancer in your 50s, 60s, and 70s.


18 posted on 05/24/2010 4:52:25 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Exactly correct, see my post #12...in fact there have been several studies that show that some organic food had more residual pesticides and bacteria than conventionally grown food...as I mentioned, sulfur ( which can be a dangerous chemical and some people are allergic to sulphates), can be used on organic crops.
19 posted on 05/24/2010 4:54:53 PM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: Yet_Again
Sorry, there are have been a number of studies that show the same thing, including a UK government funded independent study. Here is the BBC report from a year ago.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8174482.stm
Of course, the organic food industry is a big business now itself, making big money, so there are two sides to who is making money on this.
20 posted on 05/24/2010 4:59:38 PM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: Nepeta
If it makes you feel righteous and pure, do it, but that’s all placebo effect.

That's really what it's all about. The placebo effect (placebo = latin for roughly "I will please") is very powerful. You can find placebo effects in drug studies of over 20%. I am not sure about the studies of feeling "righteous and pure", but as an aging former hippie, I suspect that the effects are more about the moral vanity that has afflicted my generation.

21 posted on 05/24/2010 5:00:01 PM PDT by neocon1984
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To: NormsRevenge

I don’t pay as much attention to buying “organic” as much as I do buying “local”. Living in Michigan I buy local as much as I can. Be a true conservative. Buy local first.


22 posted on 05/24/2010 5:02:38 PM PDT by LiberConservative
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To: MollyKuehl

Years ago professor Bruce Aimes of UC Berkeley did an extensive study of naturally ocurring chemicals such as those in foods and man made chemicals. The study included hundreds of thousands of chemicals.

In general he found man made chemicals were less toxic and carcinagenic than natural chemicals but not by a wide margin.

He compared the toxicity of then used more powerful pesticides with the toxins found in many common foods taking into account the range of amounts people might consume. He then listed the most dangerous in order. None of the top 20 were man made pesticides or antibiotics (which are fully metabolized by the time the animal is processed)etc...

I do not recall the most dangerous in order, but some were coffee, peanuts, naturally grown and untreated corn, wheat and other grains, celery etc...

People stopped eating their lunches during his presentation. But, he reassured them by saying the human system was made to handle normal amounts of toxins and not to worry about it. His advice was don,t smoke, or drink excessively and wear seat belts.

As a scientist, I have found that the people who are gaga about natural or organic foods know very little if anything about bioscience. The “no genetically modified foods” people are really freaky as every food one eats now has been greatly genetically modified by nature or man over time. Read Guns Germs and Steel to get a layman’s description. The only result of eating “organic” food is a weight loss-—in your wallet.


23 posted on 05/24/2010 5:03:12 PM PDT by gleneagle
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To: NormsRevenge

I don’t have intestinal worms because I don’t eat organic grown food...


24 posted on 05/24/2010 5:04:50 PM PDT by tubebender (I inherited my insanity from my kids...)
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To: MollyKuehl

And I hope you enjoy them.

I will continue to consume and enjoy my pesticide protected, hormone added, chemically fertilized, industrially farmed meats and produce, which has allowed Americans and other industrial-farm nations to have the highest standard of living and longest lifespans the world has ever seen.

But you go ahead. Enjoy those weevils in your corn, e-coli outbreaks and fantastically high prices. It’s a free country! Sorta...


25 posted on 05/24/2010 5:05:50 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: NormsRevenge

I buy organic milk because it seems to spoil more slowly than the usual stuff. The organic is still good on its “use by” date, whereas the regular milk sometimes seemed to be spoiling as it came out the door of the store.


26 posted on 05/24/2010 5:07:38 PM PDT by Felis_irritable (Fool me once, I'll punch you in the...er, something or other...)
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To: MollyKuehl
“The study does make sense as far as no difference in the nutritional content however majority of people opt for organic food over conventional because of lack of pesticides, antibiotics and various other additives in the organic foods.”

Bad idea - When organic foods are attached by viruses, or insects or mold, or birds etc., they develop internal toxins and antibodies(just like we do). Those defense mechanisms are cancer causers. Pesticides wash off the toxins don't.

Eat free range chicken? Same problem but worse.

But hey its your money.

27 posted on 05/24/2010 5:08:51 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: Gene Eric
And what is it about organic milk that is has a longer shelf life?

UTH.

Which means that it is also lower in vitamin content and the proteins have been damaged.

So you are actually ahead of the game if you drink the two buck a gallon stuff rather then the four dollar a half gallon over processed stuff that is labeled "Organic".

28 posted on 05/24/2010 5:08:56 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (there are huge chunks of time...at night...where I'm just asleep...for hours...it's ridiculous....)
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To: Ronin

... which have...

Sorry. Just got up. First cup of coffee.


29 posted on 05/24/2010 5:08:59 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: NormsRevenge
Are there any food products that do not contain carbon?
30 posted on 05/24/2010 5:09:24 PM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: NormsRevenge
most organic foods taste better; and with over aggressive use of pesticides, I prefer to eat organic fruits and vegetables. Animals, on the other hand, should be able to take in antibotics. It seems inhumane to not treat an animal with medicine if they are sick, regardless of the farming practice.

Milk taste better organic, vegis, chicken, fruits; steaks do not. Cheese, bread... stuff just taste better. Poison? No thanks; grew up on a farm and I haven't a lot of respect for the king-size bastards whom bought out the small farmers and turned farming into a ridiculous industry of wanna-be cowboy/farmers who grew up limp-wristed and lame.

31 posted on 05/24/2010 5:10:45 PM PDT by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum)
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To: NormsRevenge

As I type, I’m cooking some spinach from my garden, I know that cooking it loses some of the nutrients but I’m replacing them with bacon grease.


32 posted on 05/24/2010 5:20:13 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Chocolate milk comes from brown cows.


33 posted on 05/24/2010 5:32:12 PM PDT by cyberbo2004 (people pay taxes, not corporations.)
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To: Porterville
Milk taste better organic

Well, no. The taste differential between milk labeled organic and the regular stuff is caused by the fact that they are processed differently. Organic milk, just like aseptic milk has been subjected to ultrahigh temperature processing. This lowers the vitamin content of the milk and destroys some of the proteins but it caramelizes the sugars which makes the milk taste sweeter.

If you like the sweeter taste then you would be better off buying the aseptic milk which tastes the same but is cheaper and has a much longer shelf life.

34 posted on 05/24/2010 5:51:18 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (there are huge chunks of time...at night...where I'm just asleep...for hours...it's ridiculous....)
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To: cyberbo2004

Chocolate milk comes from brown cows.
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Explain strawberry milk.

I do trust the food from my local grocer. It’s a food co-op, and a locally owned store. Most of the produce is local (including many winter crops), and what the stores sell is what the owners and members feed their own families.


35 posted on 05/24/2010 6:17:34 PM PDT by maine yankee
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To: maine yankee
Explain strawberry milk.

Red cows.

But you are on your own for banana milk.

36 posted on 05/24/2010 6:26:19 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (there are huge chunks of time...at night...where I'm just asleep...for hours...it's ridiculous....)
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64G41R20100517

so pesticides are good for you?


37 posted on 05/24/2010 7:05:04 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
No, I definitely like the taste of the organic better... it is creamier and more smooth.
38 posted on 05/24/2010 7:07:46 PM PDT by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum)
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To: mlizzy

My point was that not all things organic are better than synthetics. The wide availability of high quality, inexpsnsive foods can be traced directly to science - including artificial pesticides, fungicides, fertilizers, and engineered/hybrid seeds.


39 posted on 05/24/2010 7:44:18 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Zeddicus

No.


40 posted on 05/24/2010 7:46:06 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: mlizzy
We also drink raw cow’s milk, which is outstanding; I never knew milk tasted *that* good. Chemicals are rarely a positive.

Chemicals? What does pasteurization have to do with chemicals? If chemicals are a negative, are pathogens like salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Brucella species, Campylobacter jejuni, and so on, considered a positive?

41 posted on 05/24/2010 7:52:40 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Porterville
That is caused by the processing.

I have tasted both in their raw state as well as processed and unless you have a farmer who is feeding the cows something like chives to give the milk a flavor it really does all taste the same.

42 posted on 05/24/2010 8:11:08 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (there are huge chunks of time...at night...where I'm just asleep...for hours...it's ridiculous....)
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To: WriteOn
so pesticides are good for you?

As good as any plant would be. Plants do produce pesticides naturally you know.

43 posted on 05/24/2010 8:14:21 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (there are huge chunks of time...at night...where I'm just asleep...for hours...it's ridiculous....)
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To: Mase
Chemicals? What does pasteurization have to do with chemicals? If chemicals are a negative, are pathogens like salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Brucella species, Campylobacter jejuni, and so on, considered a positive?
The cow's milk unpasteurized from cows fed with food not chemically doused is what I meant to say ... This is a good link on raw milk. My daughter, interestingly, was highly allergic to all dairy (her eyes would puff up), so she stopped with consuming it and took supplements instead, but when we switched over to raw milk, not only can she consume as much as she wants, she says she no longer feels weak with tough workouts (she's a polo player). And I notice a difference in the pool as well. More positive protein; more power!! I heard about raw milk years ago from a friend who would vacation in Ireland. She drank the milk there [unpasteurized] all the time without adverse reactions regarding her allergies.
44 posted on 05/24/2010 8:19:03 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Bull droppings !!

The decision to eat organic is Not whether the food has more vitamins or nutrition. They should be about the same.

The decision between the two is whether you want your apple With neurotoxic pesticides and herbicides, or Without.

It’s a simple choice, if you don’t like chronic neurological impairment or cancer.


45 posted on 05/24/2010 8:27:16 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: mlizzy
The cow's milk unpasteurized from cows fed with food not chemically doused is what I meant to say

You realize that all food is made up of chemicals, right?

There was a kid I was friends with from the farm next to us as I was growing up whose family ran a small dairy farm. They only drank raw milk. One winter he quit going to school. We learned he had contracted brucellosis. He almost died and we didn't see him for about six months. He was never the same. It ruined his life. Brucella is just one of many very dangerous pathogens you risk whenever you choose to drink raw milk. Children are especially at risk. Infections are rare but they are serious and debilitating when they occur and it's usually the children who are hit the hardest. I never understood why anyone would accept the risk given that pasteurization kills the bugs. To each his own.

46 posted on 05/24/2010 8:37:26 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
To each his own.
One of our family members runs an organic farm, and we feel very fortunate to benefit from same ... so, yes, to each his own! :)
47 posted on 05/24/2010 8:51:06 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: NormsRevenge
No surprise. Been saying this myself for years as fools willingly pay triple for something they THINK is better for them.

It's their money and they can do what they want, but don't force it on me.

48 posted on 05/24/2010 9:28:26 PM PDT by packrat35 (Planned Parenthood - Keeping healthcare costs down, one fetus at a time)
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To: MollyKuehl

And it still doesn’t help your health.


49 posted on 05/24/2010 9:29:12 PM PDT by packrat35 (Planned Parenthood - Keeping healthcare costs down, one fetus at a time)
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To: mlizzy; NormsRevenge
Chemicals are rarely a positive.

Food is the smiley face label placed on an assemblage of chemicals, most of which, in sufficient quantity, would kill you.
50 posted on 05/24/2010 9:31:59 PM PDT by aruanan
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