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HOLLISTER v. SOETORO - JOINT LETTER FILED - advising of additional authorities.
Scribd ^ | 5/25/2010 | John David Hemenway

Posted on 05/24/2010 5:30:46 PM PDT by rxsid

A rule 28(j) letter has just been filed in Hollister v. Soetoro citing the actual language of Vattel from his 1756 treatise and David Ramsay’s essay as well as St. George Tucker’s American edition of Blackstone with commentaries on the Constitution in contrast to the common law.

From the letter:

 

Re:Hollister v. Soetoro, No. 09-5080, consolidating No. 09-5161

Dear Sir:

I write pursuant to Rule 28(j) to bring to the attention of the Court supplemental authority which has come to our attention since we filed our briefs in the case, now under reconsideration. This authority is about the issue of the phrase “natural born citizen” in Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 5 of the Constitution, which is central to our contention that if the allegations of the complaint be taken as true a case was made and the said central issue should have been treated, but wasn’t. In prior filings we cited the 19th century case authority pointing to the work of Vattel on the Law of Nations as the origin of the thinking behind that phrase. (pp.5, 35-6)

Now we cite Vattel in his“Le Droit des Gens ou Principes de la Loi Naturelle 1758 (English 1759) from Vol. 1 (of 2) Chpt. XIX, 212, Des citoyens et naturels: “Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays, de parens citoyens.” Unmistakably he says that those are natural born citizens who are born in the country of citizen parents.

David Ramsay, founding father from South Carolina who served in the Continental Congress in 1782-83 and 1785-86, wrote early histories of the founding. In his 1789 essay “A Dissertation on the Manners of Acquiring the Character and Privileges of a Citizen” pp. 6-7 describes the “natural born citizen” as one born in the country of citizen parents. He knew all the participants and worked with them in his role as a member of the Congress.

St. George Tucker emigrated from Bermuda before the Revolution, in which he fought extensively. He married the widowed mother of John Randolph of Roanoke, by whom he had two children. He taught law for years at William and Mary. In 1804 he published the leading American version of Blackstone of the time, in which he correlated Blackstone with the Constitution. In the Appendix to Vol. 1, Note D, Sec. 14 he makes clear that the Framers relied upon Vattel’s definition above, not the common law concept concerning “subjects.” He gives examples why.

Sincerely yours,

/s/

John D. Hemenway

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31897641/HOLLISTER-v-SOETORO-JOINT-LETTER-FILED-Advising-of-Additional-Authorities


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: certifigate; hollister; naturalborncitizen; nbc; obama; soetoro
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1 posted on 05/24/2010 5:30:46 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: LucyT; Fred Nerks; BP2; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; ...
Ping!

HOLLISTER v. SOETORO - JOINT LETTER FILED - advising of additional authorities.

2 posted on 05/24/2010 5:31:36 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Nice


3 posted on 05/24/2010 5:34:56 PM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: rxsid

WE can only hope this results in the POS 0dumbo not being able to run in 12


4 posted on 05/24/2010 5:35:47 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: rxsid

BUMP


5 posted on 05/24/2010 5:38:48 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: rxsid

If you have the time and inclination, could you give me the gist of this filing? I’m a little out of the loop, but very interested.


6 posted on 05/24/2010 5:43:20 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: rxsid
OK ... so what? Most of Washington knows Barry can't stand up to any objective scrutiny by the liberal media. Two SS numbers, etc., etc., he will be permitted one term. Even Barry knows the POTUS gig is up ...
7 posted on 05/24/2010 5:43:25 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: RWGinger
"WE can only hope this results in the POS 0dumbo not being able to run in 12"

If he's truly not Constitutionally eligible, then the usurper's entire "Presidency" should be made null and void. Including, but not limited to his SCOTUS picks as well as anything he has signed into law. Difficult and far reaching? Indeed.

8 posted on 05/24/2010 5:45:05 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

I had read on a blog (I forget which) that members of the Adams family (Massachusetts) and Jefferson family (Virginia) had evidence of the origin and definition of Natural Born Citizenship, and the history of its inclusion in the U.S. Constitution, within their family archives.

Their stated intentions were at the proper time to step forward and offer their family’s records as supporting evidence in any Supreme Court cases challenging Obama’s eligibility.

I wonder about this latest event, and if it is a portent to an approaching flood of supporting documents.


9 posted on 05/24/2010 5:45:23 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: BluH2o
"OK ... so what? Most of Washington knows Barry can't stand up to any objective scrutiny by the liberal media. Two SS numbers, etc., etc., he will be permitted one term. Even Barry knows the POTUS gig is up"

The historical record must be set strait so as to prevent, as much as possible, a recurrence of someone born a subject to a foreign crown becoming our Commander in Chief simply because large numbers of people in this country are literally too ignorant of their countries history, or too preoccupied with American Idol to care.

His precedent must not be allowed to stand.

10 posted on 05/24/2010 5:49:15 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: RWGinger
I want him to run in 12 ... and lose all 57 states.

I want a historical verdict condemning him for eternity.

11 posted on 05/24/2010 5:53:58 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Fantasywriter
"If you have the time and inclination, could you give me the gist of this filing? I’m a little out of the loop, but very interested."

Basically, the lawyer for the plaintiff has filled a letter advising (the court) of additional authorities found, Ramsay (reaffirming Vattel's definition for NBC as born in country to citizen parents) and St. George Tucker where he ("makes clear that the Framers relied upon Vattel’s definition above, not the common law concept concerning “subjects").

In other words, Barry (a/k/a Obama) would not be considered a "Natural Born Citizen" because he was born to a foreign father, and Barry himself inherited (by birthright) his foreign fathers foreign citizenship [assuming, of course, that Sr. was his legal father at birth]. No matter where he was born Barry, was born a subject to the crown of her majesty the Queen of England. The framers would never have considered someone with dual allegiance at birth to be considered a natural born citizen. It contradicts the very meaning of the term as known by them in 1787.

12 posted on 05/24/2010 5:57:31 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: SatinDoll
I wonder about this latest event, and if it is a portent to an approaching flood of supporting documents.

The fact they included Tucker is, IMHO, a very good sign since the SC has already accepted it as foundational law in another case.

Largely forgotten today, Tucker returned to some legal prominence last Term, when the majority in District of Columbia v. Heller cited his annotated Blackstone’s Commentaries as proof that the Second Amendment had originally been understood as an individual right to arms.
Northwestern University Law Review

13 posted on 05/24/2010 5:57:31 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am not a administrative, corporate, collective, legal, political or public entity or ~person~)
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To: rxsid

Thanks for the update.


14 posted on 05/24/2010 5:58:13 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid; BluH2o
The historical record must be set strait so as to prevent, as much as possible, a recurrence of someone born a subject to a foreign crown becoming our Commander in Chief simply because large numbers of people in this country are literally too ignorant of their countries history, or too preoccupied with American Idol to care.

His precedent must not be allowed to stand.

You said it brother. Amen and amen.

Furthermore, I don't care WHICH party the candidate comes from:
* not the Republican Party;
* not the Democrat Party;
* not the Peace and Freedom Party;
* not the American Independent Party;
* not the Green Party;
* not the Libertarian Party;
* not even the Communist Party!

NOT ONE of the candidates from ANY party should be allowed to run for President unless they can absolutely prove natural born citizenship.

15 posted on 05/24/2010 6:01:19 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: rxsid
Another little thing to be considered:

Joe Biden’s position as VP. He would not be able to serve due to Obama’s eligibility and fraud.

And Nancy Pelosi knowledge beforehand of the fraud being imposed. There are two different forms of eligibility to the states thus indicating she knew!

16 posted on 05/24/2010 6:02:43 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: rxsid

Wow, that was a GREAT summary! Thanks for putting me some knowledge (as they say on Ace of Spades, long story). I am hoping and praying this case goes somewhere. It sounds so promising, but the judges in this country just don’t seem interested in giving us a fair hearing.


17 posted on 05/24/2010 6:03:14 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: SatinDoll
"I had read on a blog (I forget which) that members of the Adams family (Massachusetts) and Jefferson family (Virginia) had evidence of the origin and definition of Natural Born Citizenship, and the history of its inclusion in the U.S. Constitution, within their family archives.

Their stated intentions were at the proper time to step forward and offer their family’s records as supporting evidence in any Supreme Court cases challenging Obama’s eligibility.

I wonder about this latest event, and if it is a portent to an approaching flood of supporting documents.

Yes. I remember that as well.

Adams papers, Lee family papers to prove NBC in Constitution came from Vattel?

18 posted on 05/24/2010 6:05:52 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
The risk we run now is the SCOTUS rules in his favor to avoid riots.

Its best that in 2012 , during the election, he is outed as a fraud, by the people, and sent packing by the people.

We dont want scotus to rule on this. We want 60 percent of the people demanding an American be elected president. We want him leaving out the back door, hiding his face in shame.

19 posted on 05/24/2010 6:06:29 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound
Another little thing to be considered:

Joe Biden’s position as VP. He would not be able to serve due to Obama’s eligibility and fraud.

And Nancy Pelosi knowledge beforehand of the fraud being imposed. There are two different forms of eligibility to the states thus indicating she knew!

Indeed! That's why many are (rightfully) calling this a Constitutional crisis.

20 posted on 05/24/2010 6:11:14 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Excellent information. Keep his feet to the fire. The lame stream media isn’t interested, but the people are. Sooner or later, the truth will come out. I pray it be sooner rather than later.

It’s time to take back the country. Pitching this pretender out of office and into a Federal Prison cell would be a really good start.


21 posted on 05/24/2010 6:14:18 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Fantasywriter
"Wow, that was a GREAT summary! Thanks for putting me some knowledge (as they say on Ace of Spades, long story). I am hoping and praying this case goes somewhere. It sounds so promising, but the judges in this country just don’t seem interested in giving us a fair hearing."

Indeed, and not getting a fair hearing is an understatement. As SCOTUS justice Thomas has stated, they are evading the issue!

22 posted on 05/24/2010 6:14:39 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: PA-RIVER
I don't believe riots will occur, like some people think. In late Nov. 2008 til Feb. 2009? Perhaps. Not now. Not 2 years later, especially after his polls numbers are in the toilet. There will no doubt be some local (in the big cities) unrest. The perceived threat of some violence, however, is no excuse to allow someone to usurp the office of the Commander in Chief.
23 posted on 05/24/2010 6:18:14 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: PA-RIVER

Take him down in November by changing both Houses to a Republican majority. Then Repeal the Holocaust that is the DeathCare.


24 posted on 05/24/2010 6:19:28 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: onona

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=66235B7DDFED538C


25 posted on 05/24/2010 6:20:43 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: rxsid

Gmta. As soon as I sent that post, I realized I had made such an understatement. I wasn’t aware that Thomas had said that. Thanks for yet more knowledge—really, really good stuff this time. :)


26 posted on 05/24/2010 6:21:38 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: rxsid; Freedom'sWorthIt; ExTexasRedhead; katiekins1

ping.


27 posted on 05/24/2010 6:21:45 PM PDT by seekthetruth (Dan Fanelli US House FL 8 --- Allen West US House FL 22 --- Marco Rubio - US Senate)
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To: rxsid

Yep. But I’ve got to tell you this NBC stuff is so cerebral, most folks eyes glaze over when talking about it, and they neither understand nor care much about the subject.

But multiple or false Social Security Numbers, now that gets their attention! And what’s more really ticks people off.

Orly Taitz has had a break on the Social Security Number issue. If you haven’t read this yet, it has great potential.

Remember, Al Capone went to prison for tax evasion, not for racketeering or being a mobster.

New pleadings filed today(5/24)in Taitz v Obama, Judge Royce Lamberth Washington DC

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2520363/posts


28 posted on 05/24/2010 6:22:33 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: rxsid

We assumed FDR would adhere to the tradition of seeking no more than two terms. When he did not, we passed an amendment to the Constitution. He was the closest thing to a tyrant this country has ever known.
Same thing with presidential succession, after Kennedy was murdered a constitutional amendment was required.
An amendment is not needed here. If Obama is a liar and allowed the country to assume his vitae was bona fide ... drum him out and Congress can add some enabling legislation to the US Code that the attorney generals’ office, maybe this is a law they **will enforce.**
Article Two of the Constitution is clear. It doesn’t require amendment. We’re either a nation of laws, or we’re not.


29 posted on 05/24/2010 6:27:41 PM PDT by tumblindice (Up against the wall you marxist mothers)
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To: SatinDoll
Complete agree that the NBC stuff is not something the "average" American citizen cares about. And, it's too bad too because it just goes to show how successful the progressives have been in removing our history from our knowledge base.

It's a big reason why the media won't touch it, and if they do, the only talk about the B.C. issue. The framers intent for NBC is just too far in the past for most people.

It took over 2 years before Nixon was brought down, and he resigned over the mounting pressure to do so...and not necessarily from any criminal charges against him.

30 posted on 05/24/2010 6:28:53 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
It took over 2 years before Nixon was brought down, and he resigned over the mounting pressure to do so...and not necessarily from any criminal charges against him

All accomplished with as little as possible damage to the country....Pray that the same is accomplished this time....WITH criminal charges to follow this time....Not just for him but the whole Fam-Damily.

31 posted on 05/24/2010 6:37:24 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: rxsid
and when you follow the logic of this ,Dick Cheney is the president even though not sworn in.
32 posted on 05/24/2010 6:37:36 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH
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To: rxsid
"I don't believe riots will occur, like some people think. In late Nov. 2008 til Feb. 2009? Perhaps. Not now. Not 2 years later, especially after his polls numbers are in the toilet. There will no doubt be some local (in the big cities) unrest. The perceived threat of some violence, however, is no excuse to allow someone to usurp the office of the Commander in Chief."

I agree. If there are riots they will come from the union thugs and socialist handouts (see Greece) who were expecting free housing and cradle to grave glory from their Communist in Chief.....AFTER we toss him out.

33 posted on 05/24/2010 6:42:17 PM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: rxsid

sfl


34 posted on 05/24/2010 6:47:31 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: rxsid

Great post and update!


35 posted on 05/24/2010 7:12:21 PM PDT by GBA (Resistance is Constitutional!)
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To: W. W. SMITH

“and when you follow the logic of this ,Dick Cheney is the president even though not sworn in.”


Wow! If the above is true, the BC issue would result in major violence. The Left would go insane!!!

We would have to build gun turrets around our homes!

It would be like a Swiss Family Robinson pirate invasion but they’d be using Granola and flax seed bombs.


36 posted on 05/24/2010 7:19:23 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Obamanomics :Privatize Gains, Socialize Losses.)
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To: rxsid

Everyone keeps talking in the context of “after we toss him out”.

How possible is this now? Did the prospect of removal go up 20%, 50%, 80%???


37 posted on 05/24/2010 7:21:26 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Obamanomics :Privatize Gains, Socialize Losses.)
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To: PA-RIVER
We dont want scotus to rule on this. We want 60 percent of the people demanding an American be elected president. We want him leaving out the back door, hiding his face in shame.

Not this "we"!

I want that son of a bitch marched off the front porch in chains on his way to Leavenworth, along with his enablers.

38 posted on 05/24/2010 8:11:15 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! )
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To: rxsid

Excellent report! Anything new on Kreep/Taitz appeal in 9th circuit?


39 posted on 05/24/2010 8:43:52 PM PDT by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2010)
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To: PA-RIVER
The risk we run now is the SCOTUS rules in his favor to avoid riots.

With the facts more in the public domain, what makes you think there would not be riots, or worse, if they ruled in favor of the Won? His side doesn't have a monopoly on ferver, and they are not nearly as well armed as the Constitutionalists.

40 posted on 05/24/2010 9:10:48 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: rxsid

Is this case making any progress? I think Mario Apuzzo’s case has an important hearing in early June. He and the fellow who filed it appear to have some real advantages where they filed it before he became president and also sued members of congress and cheney. Past cases tied to say the wrong party was sued.


41 posted on 05/24/2010 10:28:31 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators)
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To: RWGinger
WE can only hope this results in the POS 0dumbo not being able to run in 12

We can HOPE that it results in his being tossed out on his Dumbo ear, well before 2012.

42 posted on 05/25/2010 9:38:45 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound
Joe Biden’s position as VP. He would not be able to serve due to Obama’s eligibility and fraud.

Constitutionally the elections of the VP and President are separate. Yes, there would have been fraud, but that would need to be separately addressed, and could only be addressed by Congress. So unless we get a heavy majority in both Houses of Congress, it's unlikely that Biden would be out before 2012. Then he'd likely not run.

I just want the Constitution enforced, let the political chips fall where they may.

43 posted on 05/25/2010 9:42:08 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: W. W. SMITH
and when you follow the logic of this ,Dick Cheney is the president even though not sworn in.

I can't think of any logical path to this situation that results in Cheney being president.

44 posted on 05/25/2010 9:45:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: El Gato

Unfortunately for our country 0dumbo has all of media and most of the Dems willing to do whateve it takes to prevent the truth about that vile sorry excuse to come out

Butterzillion;s thread above on the difficulty of getting records that should be availalbe show us just what we are up against


45 posted on 05/25/2010 10:07:24 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Non-Sequitur

For the record this lawsuit, “Hollister v Soetoro” was dismissed by the US District Court for the District of Columbia and the judge imposed a reprimand sanction on the plaintiff’s attorney for filing a “frivolous” lawsuit. The dismissal was upheld by the US Court of Appeals.

United States Court of Appeals
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT
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No. 09-5080 September Term 2009
08-cv-02254
Filed On: March 22, 2010
Gregory S. Hollister,
Appellant
v.
Barry Soetoro, in his capacity as a natural
person; de facto President in posse; and as de
jure President in posse, also known as Barack
Obama, et al.,
Appellees


Consolidated with 09-5161
ON APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
BEFORE:Henderson, Tatel, and Garland, Circuit Judges

J U D G M E N T
These consolidated appeals were considered on the record from the United States District Court for the District of Columbia and on the briefs filed by the parties.
See Fed. R. App. P. 34(a)(2); D.C. Cir. Rule 34(j). It is
ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that the district court’s orders filed March 5, 2009, and March 24, 2009, be affirmed. The district court correctly dismissed the complaint under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6) for failure to state a claim upon which relief could be granted. Hollister v. Soetoro, 601 F. Supp. 2d 179 (D.D.C. 2009).
Moreover, the district court did not abuse its discretion in determining that counsel had violated Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11(b)(2) and in imposing a reprimand as the
sanction for his part in preparing, filing, and prosecuting a legally frivolous complaint.
Hollister v. Soetoro, 258 F.R.D. 1 (D.D.C. 2009). Appellants have provided no reasonable basis for questioning the impartiality of the district court judge. See Liteky v. United States, 510 U.S. 540 (1994).
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28745277/HOLLISTER-v-SOETORO-PER-CURIAM-JUDGMENT-filed-Lower-Court-Affirmed-Transport-Room


46 posted on 05/25/2010 10:22:41 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
For the record this lawsuit, “Hollister v Soetoro” was dismissed by the US District Court for the District of Columbia and the judge imposed a reprimand sanction on the plaintiff’s attorney for filing a “frivolous” lawsuit.

Shhhhhh. You're going to spoil their fun.

47 posted on 05/25/2010 10:24:28 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
If obama is found to be ineligible that invalidates the ticket. The president and vice president is one ticket not two thus biden is disqualified. Both pelousie and reed are complicit in the fraud, therefore disqualified.

All of this takes us back to January 20, 2009 on that podium at the capital. there are five men on that podium, four of whom are not qualified. that leaves Dick Cheney as the only one qualified and Even though not sworn in he is the president.

with obama not qualified he is not the president and legally this nation cannot be with out a president, again this makes Cheney the president.

48 posted on 05/25/2010 10:31:41 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH
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To: Non-Sequitur

Shhhhhh. You’re going to spoil their fun.


People should know which Obama eligibility lawsuits are serious and which are “frivolous.”
When you file a lawsuit using an incorrect name for the defendant, you’re going to get thrown out of court, fast.
Using the name “Soetoro” may feel good as a sign of disrespect for Obama but the vast majority of judges aren’t going to go there with you.
All this lawsuit earned was an official reprimand from the US District Court and sanctions upheld by the US Court of Appeals to go on Attorney John D. Hemmingway’s record.


49 posted on 05/25/2010 10:40:10 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: W. W. SMITH
All of this takes us back to January 20, 2009 on that podium at the capital. there are five men on that podium, four of whom are not qualified. that leaves Dick Cheney as the only one qualified

Well...no. Cheney's term as vice-president ended at noon. At that moment he ceased to be in the line of succession. If Obama is ineligible then Biden is president. If you want to say Biden is complicit in some sort of cover-up then fine. Impeach him, remove him from office, and then file your charges.

with obama not qualified he is not the president and legally this nation cannot be with out a president, again this makes Cheney the president.

This contingency is covered by the Constitution and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947. And neither one specifies an ex-vice president as being involved.

50 posted on 05/25/2010 10:47:41 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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