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Is Senate Cand. Sestak (D-PA) Lying About Bribe or Did WH Break the Law?
Flopping Aces ^ | 05-24-10 | Mike's America

Posted on 05/25/2010 6:01:22 AM PDT by Starman417

If Sestak is lying he should be disqualified for the Senate. If someone at the White House offered him a bribe to stay out of Senate race, they broke the law.

That's really the only two ways to look at this story. The White House made it clear they did not want Joe Sestak to run in the primary against Senator Arlen Specter. Sestak has repeatedly claimed that he was offered a high level job if he were to drop out of the race which he won in last week's Pennsylvania primary.

Sestak was asked about the controversy this past Sunday on Meet the Press and reaffirmed that an offer was made:

[VIDEO AT SITE]

Sestak refuses to say what the job was or who at the White House offered it to him. Earlier this year, Robert Gibbs, White House press spokesman, repeatedly tried to stonewall the matter hoping reporters would drop it. Finally this Monday David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist said that the matter had been looked into and that "nothing inappropriate happened." He refused to give any details and quickly changed the subject.

Read more at floppingaces.net...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bribe; sestek

1 posted on 05/25/2010 6:01:23 AM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

Sestak has repeatedly said, he kept his honor in all this...tells me the White House committed an impeachable offense.

Oh nevermind, the first black president will never be prosecuted...


2 posted on 05/25/2010 6:02:20 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Starman417

This CORRUPTION has got to end.


3 posted on 05/25/2010 6:13:36 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Starman417

He may be pre-empting the Admin to cover his own ... vulnerability.


4 posted on 05/25/2010 6:16:10 AM PDT by AncientAirs
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To: Starman417
If someone at the White House offered him a bribe to stay out of Senate race, they broke the law.

Even if they did, would it be illegal? They were not trying to influence Sestak's actions as a member of the House. They were trying to influence his actions as a private citizen who was deciding whether to run for the Senate. I know that is a very fine point, but most government corruption laws are about trying to influence someone in their position as a government official. I don't know if offering a non-civil service government position to someone would be illegal.

5 posted on 05/25/2010 6:25:12 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (I am so immune to satire that I ate three Irish children after reading Swift's "A Modest Proposal")
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To: Freddd

None of us here like Sestak’s politics, but there is zero, zip, nada in this guy’s background to suggest he is a liar.


6 posted on 05/25/2010 6:30:20 AM PDT by TheEditor
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To: Starman417

Dick Morris said on Hannity last night that most likely Specter agreed to change parties last year, but as a condition said that he didn’t want to have a primary for the Senate race.

The WH was probably just trying to hold up their end of the bargain by attempting to lure Sestak away with a job offer.


7 posted on 05/25/2010 6:34:35 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Forcing one person to pay for the irresponsibility of another is NOT social justice.)
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To: KarlInOhio
They were trying to influence his actions as a private citizen who was deciding whether to run for the Senate.

Several days ago, Judge Napolitano laid out the cites, I'm sorry, I have not his brilliant legal mind or ability to retain, but in essence he said it violates the law because the president or those under his authority could make good on the offer, that was the bar, legal hurdle crossed. Different from typical political maneuvering, shenanigans. It is illegal to bribe someone in this manner. If I can find the specifics for you, I will post them.

8 posted on 05/25/2010 6:35:13 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: TheEditor
None of us here like Sestak’s politics, but there is zero, zip, nada in this guy’s background to suggest he is a liar.

He also gains nothing whatever by lying about it, rather the contrary in fact.

9 posted on 05/25/2010 6:36:42 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Freddd

When someone says “Sestak is lying” -

the real question is “why would he lie?”

Really, what would he have to gain?


10 posted on 05/25/2010 6:37:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Starman417

Laws and scandals only apply to Republicans

Pray for America


11 posted on 05/25/2010 6:39:30 AM PDT by bray (Brayn Food: http://www.brayincandy.com/id239.html)
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To: MozarkDawg
He also gains nothing whatever by lying about it, rather the contrary in fact.

That seems clear to me also, but what I can't figure out is why the WH would want to submarine his candidacy. Specter has almost no chance of winning but Sestak, like him or not, has some kind of chance. By backing Specter, the WH improves the chances that their regime will be toppled over the next two years. They're all extremely smart (if also extremely power-hungry) so they HAVE to know this? What are they doing?? What can they be possibly thinking??!?

12 posted on 05/25/2010 6:40:06 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Ey, Paolo! uh-Clem just broke the Presideng...)
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To: Starman417

It’s time for some ambitious Federal Attorney to impanel a Grand Jury.


13 posted on 05/25/2010 6:49:25 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We are an Oligarchy now and worse if we fail. TeaParty On...)
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To: BelegStrongbow
What can they be possibly thinking??!?

They've been so arrogant, the scheme Glenn Beck exposed of the Chicago Carbon Exchange, his latest with the Shoreline Bank in Chicago just two examples ... it strikes me that they think they can get away with anything simply because they can.

Specter has almost no chance of winning but Sestak, like him or not, has some kind of chance

When specifically was the offer made, do we know? What was the situation like at that time, was Specter still reasonably viable? Or did 0bama owe him something and so he had to try to get Sestak to leave off? There are all kinds of things that could be the reason, that's why an investigation/IC is necessary here.

14 posted on 05/25/2010 6:52:15 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Starman417

In Colorado, we have a Democrat by the name of Romanoff (He was the Speaker of the Couse), who openly admits he was offered a job by the Obama administration not to run against sitting the sitting Senator Bennett (who Obama supports).

Yet not a word in the paper.

A few talk shows have confronted him, and he has admitted it more than once.

At the Dem. caucus last week, Romanoff took the most votes over Bennett. Obama has got to be angry over that.


15 posted on 05/25/2010 6:56:01 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: MozarkDawg
When specifically was the offer made, do we know?

Well, unless some actual journalist has dug up something or one of the lesser Obamatrons has flipped, I don't think we know anything specifically. I've been wondering who is the source for the rumors we HAVE been hearing.

it strikes me that they think they can get away with anything simply because they can.

Like I say, they're intelligent. They can read. They know that the Rasmussen poll has been dead-on accurate for months and is trending south again. They know that Specter is unreliable at best. All of this should have been factored in. Given all that, perhaps you're right: they thinktheycan theythinktheycan theythinktheycan...

Or did 0bama owe him something and so he had to try to get Sestak to leave off?

Upthread someone mentioned that having no opposition in the primary could have been part of the bargain Specter might have made when he switched parties. Could be...and would be logical, if not exactly ethical. Whether or not that is true, it remains speculative.

an investigation/IC is necessary here.

I agree 100%.

16 posted on 05/25/2010 6:58:25 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Ey, Paolo! uh-Clem just broke the Presideng...)
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To: Starman417

Probably both...because both are normal courses of action for politicians and this WH.


17 posted on 05/25/2010 6:59:51 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Dick Morris said on Hannity last night that most likely Specter agreed to change parties last year, but as a condition said that he didn’t want to have a primary for the Senate race.

Just saw your post -- this is what I'm inquiring in the one I made above, and it lends credibility to the notion that the this whole thing did occur. As the Judge pointed out, the bar to be reached has to be the ability to make good on the offer, the WH is obviously quite capable of making sure Sestak got the nomination for SecNav, he knew that.

I'm curious now -- for several months, Chris Matthews said he was considering running for this Senate seat, I made a joke that when Specter changed parties, it deflated Matthews' balloon, aw, too bad. Now I'm wondering, did he not continue with his plans because someone *asked* him not to, was there any *offer* made to this TV pundit to keep him from being a primary challenger as well? Recognized face, celebrity-type, he would more than likely have beaten Specter also, hmm ...

18 posted on 05/25/2010 7:00:38 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Verbosus
In Colorado, we have a Democrat by the name of Romanoff (He was the Speaker of the Couse), who openly admits he was offered a job by the Obama administration not to run against sitting the sitting Senator Bennett (who Obama supports).

All those who believe 0bama had nothing whatever to do with Blaggo and his former Senate seat raise your hands.

(Seeing none as yet)

19 posted on 05/25/2010 7:02:42 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: BelegStrongbow
Well, unless some actual journalist has dug up something or one of the lesser Obamatrons has flipped, I don't think we know anything specifically. I've been wondering who is the source for the rumors we HAVE been hearing.

Ah, so since Sestak has admitted it and the WH denies it, I say we've most definitely reached the IC point. I go back to the hue and cry made that an IC was necessary to investigate Newt Gingrich where no crime was charged nor found, just the pit yorkie Bonoir yapping. Surely we've passed that standard now.

20 posted on 05/25/2010 7:06:37 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Damn. That makes a lot of sense. Dick Morris said that?


21 posted on 05/25/2010 7:06:45 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Yep. Dick doesn’t always make sense, but that sounded logical to me.


22 posted on 05/25/2010 7:12:20 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Forcing one person to pay for the irresponsibility of another is NOT social justice.)
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To: KarlInOhio
I found what I referred for you:

Sestak case deepens--did White House commit a felony by offering a job to Sestak?

The Judge's comments:

Well the ramifications are potentially enormous. I mean to offer someone something of value in order to affect their official behavior as a member of Congress is a felony. We call it a bribe. To offer someone something of value to affect the outcome of an election is a felony. Each of those carries five years with them. The government has an affirmative obligation to investigate this.And Congressman Sestak who is a decent guy, we've all interviewed him. He sent you handwritten thank you notes after he was on your show, whether he agrees with you or not. Congressman Sestak has an obligation to tell the truth. Who offered him a job? What was the quid pro quo and what was the job? If he doesn't say that voluntarily a federal prosecutor should bring him before a grand jury and the grand jurors will inquire of his knowledge as we like to say.

Read the whole page, there's more information included in the quoted exchange. The part about having the ability to make good on the offer is left out here, but I recall the Judge making a strong point of that.

23 posted on 05/25/2010 7:26:49 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Starman417

Food for thought: Why doesn’t Sestak simply say that he misspoke? That he WAS offered a job but no one said it would be in exchange for not running...THAT would simply be a natural consequence of taking the job?

Is it because he is a moral person? (Come on! He’s a dimocrat!)

Or, perhaps, does he fear a paper trail?

This would be VERY easy to dodge...unless you feared being caught in a lie. There must be a record some where.l


24 posted on 05/25/2010 7:38:30 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Starman417

This is so good! Sestak has really stepped in it. What is the Dim’s exit strategy? Of course they are obfuscating and refusing a special counsel. My bet is that Sestak will be heavily leaned on to get out of the race. Better to lose PA than risk an impeachable scandal. Sestak could also be “convinced” to backtrack on his statements. This would undoubtedly kill Sestak’s campaign (and expose him to House ethics charges), but at least overall damage to zero could be contained. The only way out is for Sestak to be the fall guy. I hope that Sestak has a good life insurance policy. After all accidents do happen during Dim administrations.
But, I think that zero is too proud and power hungry to let another Senate campaign go down right now. At least for now we will be able to watch the Dims squirm and twist in their sewage of lies.
Enjoy.


25 posted on 05/25/2010 7:51:07 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: MozarkDawg
I go back to the hue and cry made that an IC was necessary to investigate Newt Gingrich where no crime was charged nor found, just the pit yorkie Bonoir yapping.

Not that I've noticed, but is Bonior even in Congress any more? If not, guess he served his purpose, eh?

And you're right, now that there's the appearance of impropriety and knowing what happened with the Illinois Senate seat, we really need someone independent to get in and investigate the WH.

It is also my opinion that a fully-qualified exorcist will be needed to make the place safe for occupancy by humans whenever the current crop is forced to leave (I don't expect them to leave willingly no matter the reason given).

26 posted on 05/25/2010 7:51:07 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Ey, Paolo! uh-Clem just broke the Presideng...)
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To: Starman417

This is so good! Sestak has really stepped in it. What is the Dim’s exit strategy? Of course they are obfuscating and refusing a special counsel. My bet is that Sestak will be heavily leaned on to get out of the race. Better to lose PA than risk an impeachable scandal. Sestak could also be “convinced” to backtrack on his statements. This would undoubtedly kill Sestak’s campaign (and expose him to House ethics charges), but at least overall damage to zero could be contained. The only way out is for Sestak to be the fall guy. I hope that Sestak has a good life insurance policy. After all accidents do happen during Dim administrations.
But, I think that zero is too proud and power hungry to let another Senate campaign go down right now. At least for now we will be able to watch the Dims squirm and twist in their sewage of lies.
Enjoy.


27 posted on 05/25/2010 7:51:42 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: MozarkDawg

18 USC 211 - Acceptance or solicitation to obtain appointive public office
Whoever solicits or receives, either as a political contribution, or for personal emolument, any money or thing of value, in consideration of the promise of support or use of influence in obtaining for any person any appointive office or place under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. Whoever solicits or receives any thing of value in consideration of aiding a person to obtain employment under the United States either by referring his name to an executive department or agency of the United States or by requiring the payment of a fee because such person has secured such employment shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. This section shall not apply to such services rendered by an employment agency pursuant to the written request of an executive department or agency of the United States.


28 posted on 05/25/2010 7:54:10 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29.)
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To: BelegStrongbow

Bonior was redistricted out of a job in 2002. He was bad and ran for governor and lost in the primary to worse in Granholm.


29 posted on 05/25/2010 7:54:40 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (I don't look for leaders. I follow my own path, my way.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Thanks, Darren. I guess if he was still in there we would have been hearing from him. Pet yorkies usually keep yapping.


30 posted on 05/25/2010 7:56:22 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Ey, Paolo! uh-Clem just broke the Presideng...)
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To: BelegStrongbow
Not that I've noticed, but is Bonior even in Congress any more? If not, guess he served his purpose, eh?

No, lost his seat to redistricting in 2000, so he ran for governor and lost in the primary to Granholm -- oh, the irony!

31 posted on 05/25/2010 8:59:05 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: mewzilla

Thank you for the specific citation, very helpful!


32 posted on 05/25/2010 9:01:50 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: MozarkDawg

I’m no lawyer, but if what Sestak alleges actually occurred, whoever tried to bribe him ought to be up on chgarges.


33 posted on 05/25/2010 9:10:45 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29.)
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To: mewzilla

And that’s why an IC is required here — the days of the White House clearing itself of illegal or even merely inappropriate behavior are long over. An allegation has been made, so far I’ve yet to see reason to question its credibility. Holder must appoint an IC, and with the press hanging on to the story, especially as Sestak has not retracted, methinks it will happen sooner rather than later.


34 posted on 05/25/2010 9:24:46 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: MozarkDawg

Think Clinton. The Historic One will not be tried and/or prosecuted! This story will go nowhere!


35 posted on 05/25/2010 9:28:03 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (Please God, watch over our country.)
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To: gathersnomoss
Think Clinton. The Historic One will not be tried and/or prosecuted! This story will go nowhere!

It isn't necessarily 0bama who did the bribing here -- WH officials, Rahm or Axelrod, they have the power to secure the offer to Sestak, not just the president.

36 posted on 05/25/2010 9:32:31 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: MozarkDawg

Someone, other than Sestak, may take the fall but I doubt it. Who is the current AG and who does the AG answer to?

Move along. Sestak can be bought.


37 posted on 05/25/2010 9:38:18 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (Please God, watch over our country.)
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