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Jamaica's Bloody Lesson On Guns
Fox News ^ | May 25, 2010 | John R. Lott Jr.

Posted on 05/25/2010 6:23:47 PM PDT by JohnRLott

Do gun bans really stop criminals from getting guns? Americans need not look no further than the massive gun battle with armed gangs fighting police and soldiers that took place in Kingston, Jamaica today. At least 30 people were killed in the fighting. It is a huge number for a small island nation of fewer than 3 million people, but unfortunately murder is so common in Jamaica that these murders won't even be noticed in the annual crime numbers.

With Chicago's Mayor Daley again claiming that a gun ban is necessary to keep Chicagoans safe, Jamaica and other countries with gun bans might teach Americans a lesson.

Everyone wants to keep guns away from criminals, but the question is: who is most likely to obey the law? In the case of a ban, every instance we have data for shows . . .

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: District of Columbia; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; foxnews; guncontrol; gunfreezone; guns; jamaica; johnlott

1 posted on 05/25/2010 6:23:48 PM PDT by JohnRLott
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To: JohnRLott

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No one dares point out the truth. Western civilization is fading, and much of the world is rapidly backsliding into barbarianism.

Including Chicago.


2 posted on 05/25/2010 6:27:46 PM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: JohnRLott

Gun bans are meant to disarm the general population and prevent them from overthrowing a tyrannical government.


3 posted on 05/25/2010 6:39:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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Excellent article, John. 60 per 100,000. Isn’t that starting to reach South African numbers?


4 posted on 05/25/2010 6:55:36 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Blood of Tyrants

liberals just want these ‘mean scary’ things to ‘go away’. Your run of the mill liberal isn’t thinking, “Lets ensure that the populace is unable to defend itself.” They view guns as unnessesary throwbacks to a rougher time, and people who want them as mentally unbalanced trolls. The easiest way, in their minds, to make guns ‘go away’ is to have big brother step in. That way, crazies won’t have guns and ‘the children’ will be safe to boot!


5 posted on 05/25/2010 6:57:54 PM PDT by Lobsterback
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To: Lobsterback

The liberal mindset is amazing. Give up your guns or we will send men with guns to take them away from you.


6 posted on 05/25/2010 7:16:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: TigersEye

Logical thinking is not exactly a liberal forte. They just react...like little kids.


7 posted on 05/25/2010 7:19:52 PM PDT by Lobsterback
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To: JohnRLott

Gordon R Dickson penned a collection of short stories called “In Iron Years”. The collections title was also the first short story. Mostly, it was a post-apocalyptic future were civilization does not die with a bang, but a whimper.

Unless something extraordinary, in a 1775 sense, happens... We are living in the last days of our civilzation.


8 posted on 05/25/2010 7:28:23 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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But, but... but it's an ISLAND! They can't smuggle guns to an island, like Jamaica and England. (Err, ok, so they can.)
They also do a pretty good job of smuggling cannabis OFF the island. Once again, personal freedom outstrips the reach of wannabe totalitarians.
I believe it is a downright tragedy and shame that anyone, anywhere should get murdered over cannabis.
9 posted on 05/25/2010 7:28:26 PM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (BORDERS, LAWS and LANGUAGE)
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To: Lobsterback

I actually had one liberal dare to tell me that “this isn’t the same country that I grew up in”. I don’t know what he was complaining about because the US has moved further and further towards his beliefs.


10 posted on 05/25/2010 7:49:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: JohnRLott
So, Jamaica has surpassed South Africa, which has murder rate of “only” about 40 per 100,000.
11 posted on 05/25/2010 8:24:10 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Did a little research for you on the web (look here:

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html )

60/100K is approaching the 80/100K rate for black males in Washington, DC. The real eye-popping number is the 309/100K figure for the 20-24 year old age group.

Of course, one would expect the Jamaican figures to show a similar bias for young males, too, so they probably still would win this particular competition.


12 posted on 05/25/2010 9:18:05 PM PDT by absalom01 (Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: absalom01

Sorry, I think that you are comparing apples and oranges. The number you are pointing to for DC seems to include homicides and suicides. The Jamaica number that I used only looked at murders.


13 posted on 05/25/2010 10:04:32 PM PDT by JohnRLott
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To: Lobsterback
...like little kids.

Stupid little kids. When I was 10 I would have had a pretty good idea hot clear up today's problem.

14 posted on 05/26/2010 12:45:38 AM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: JohnRLott
Good article, Mr. Lott. Short, simple, to-the-point.

To your knowledge, is there any real clamoring to drop the ban in Jamaica?

Regardless, it looks like they're not getting the message, though, just like our own dear leftists.

15 posted on 05/26/2010 1:03:38 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: JohnRLott
This isn't really anything new; it's been going on for at least 40 years.

How Gun Control "Worked" in Jamaica.

16 posted on 05/27/2010 5:01:40 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: JohnRLott
This is a digression from the point made by the piece referenced, but yes it is apples and oranges, primarily because I was pointing to a specific cohort, rather than the total population. I think, that the rates I was quoting were for homicide and legal intervention only, not including suicide. (which, for the cohort I was pointing to, makes a very small difference).

That said, the CDC public website is a very cool and user-friendly way to take a peek at the geographic and demographic distribution of fatal traumatic injuries on a US-wide basis. Bottom line for me is that the CDC’s own website demonstrates clearly while there is a problem with violence, often using firearms, that violence is largely confined to a narrow cohort. This last revelation was the source, and the demise, of the Democrat gun control policies of the 1990’s.

17 posted on 05/27/2010 3:05:56 PM PDT by absalom01 (Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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