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N. Korea Deploys Mortars and Multiple Rocket Launchers at Sino-NK border
Yonhap News ^ | 05/26/10 | Cha Dae-un

Posted on 05/26/2010 7:42:11 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

/begin my summary

N. Korea Deploys Mortars and Multiple Rocket Launchers at Sino-NK border


122mm multiple rocket launcher, the same type N. Korea deployed at the border area.

N. Korea deployed 82mm mortars to border guard units.

Each border guard company now has a fire support platoon equipped with 82mm mortars. Each platoon has at least 4 mortars. The process started in February and is now complete.

Border guard units used to be armed only with light weapons such as rifles because their main mission is to deter people from illegal entry to or escape from N. Korea.

Border guard units now have firepower equal to regular infantry units.

The explanation N. Korean authorities gave (to its population or soldiers) is that it was for deterring invasion by S. Korean commandos through China.

Radio Free Asia also reported on May 26 that mortars, recoilless rifles, and machine guns were deployed to border guard units.

/end my summary


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; conflict; heavyweapons; nkorea
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Hmm... 122mm MRL is quite useful for shooting at escaping refugees. This is aimed at PLA across the border, just in case they have a 'funny idea.'
1 posted on 05/26/2010 7:42:11 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

P!


2 posted on 05/26/2010 7:42:47 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Norks know that if there is a war, or a continuation thereof, that the Chinese will likely sieze their nuclear facilities. They are in the far north near the border, the Chinese helped them build them, of course.


3 posted on 05/26/2010 7:45:11 AM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

WTF???


4 posted on 05/26/2010 7:45:17 AM PDT by pgkdan (I Miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

82mm look little

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/82Krh37_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MORTARS5.htm&h=729&w=470&sz=155&tbnid=0Y2ArhPr26OYaM:&tbnh=280&tbnw=180&prev=/images%3Fq%3D82mm%2Bmortars%2Bimages&usg=__S_jK6If8nyYcZoK6kvcM4YSMcqY=&ei=tzP9S6_7DIzINYW3qZsB&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CBkQ9QEwAA


5 posted on 05/26/2010 7:45:17 AM PDT by edcoil (Kingdoms have never survived. Don't let any new ones be formed.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; jhpigott; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; MestaMachine

Interesting development, do you suppose it is is to keep fleeing NK refugees IN????


6 posted on 05/26/2010 7:45:35 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Kimmy Poo is about to learn the same lesson that the Somali pirates learned when the messed with the Russians. You can screw with the Western Democracies their reaction is predictable, and you will usually get away with it. When you screw with another communist dictator your life gets very interesting, and usually rather short.
7 posted on 05/26/2010 7:45:40 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

30,000 DPRK military personnel are required for such an effective operation as this. Locations are PyongyanBukdo and HamgyongBukdo areas. They expect trouble with China, a Chinese strike against the Republic apparantly. Reading on Japanese wires now, too. Work finished in Februar apparantly. These are mobile units alright.


8 posted on 05/26/2010 7:47:05 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If war comes, it will be because Obama was perceived, and rightly so, by our deadly enemies, as WEAK)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Just to clarify, this is on their border with China? I saw the comment about the Chinese seizing their nukes. But if NK is trying to repel China on the North and defending against SK/US on the South then this isn’t your grandfather’s Korean War.


9 posted on 05/26/2010 7:47:39 AM PDT by Pete (exponential problems require exponential solutions : 29thday.org)
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To: GonzoGOP

This sounds like the time when I was fighting with my brother. My mom tried to break us up. I took a swing at her.

Bad idea.

Not only did I get the crap kicked out of me by my brother. But them my mother took her turn.

And then my Dad came home.

The Norks look like they are ready to take a swipe at their mom.


10 posted on 05/26/2010 7:49:16 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (This nation, of the people, by the people, and for the people has perished from the land.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Kim Jong-il is dying and he is crazy, so I say he plans to turn North Korea in to one he77 of a funeral fire!


11 posted on 05/26/2010 7:49:28 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Pete
Right. If the backdoor is no longer secure, you cannot do much at the front-door.
12 posted on 05/26/2010 7:49:46 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: Kartographer

Maybe the Iranians and Syrians would like a piece of the action. A three-front brush fire for us and Israel.


13 posted on 05/26/2010 7:52:18 AM PDT by bsf2009
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Correction: Hmm... 122mm MRL is not quite useful for shooting at escaping refugees.
14 posted on 05/26/2010 7:52:38 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Yep, it sounds like Beijing is getting tired of it’s demented little cousin and is getting ready to make North Korea a Province in the PRC.

If China were to play this right, they could easily pull South Korea into their sphere of influence by immediately working towards reunification. All they would have to say is “Move the U.S. off your soil and we can start to put Korea back together”

China would then have a strong industrial ally with a decent military in the North Pacific. Of course, they would have to clean up all the suicides in Pyongyang when lil’ Kim is announced dead.


15 posted on 05/26/2010 7:54:28 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Holy crap!! I sure hope this doesn’t disturb Obama’s mini-vacation. He’s already going to miss out on part of it by having to go to the gulf for a photo-op.


16 posted on 05/26/2010 7:57:41 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Out in a blaze of gory? Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

Colonel, USAFR


17 posted on 05/26/2010 7:57:53 AM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Maybe Kim is getting a bit paranoid.


18 posted on 05/26/2010 7:57:58 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: GonzoGOP

When you screw with another communist dictator your life gets very interesting, and usually rather short.

Good point and an interesting concept.

China could absolutely own Bambi and the Euroweenies by swatting the annoying NoKo biting fly. It could be the watershed event that solidly cements their status as the newest and soon-to-be most powerful superpower — economically, militarily, and diplomatically.


19 posted on 05/26/2010 7:58:12 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

>> Correction: Hmm... 122mm MRL is not quite useful for shooting at escaping refugees.

I just thought you were being sarcastic! :-)


20 posted on 05/26/2010 7:59:34 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Kartographer

>> Kim Jong-il is dying and he is crazy, so I say he plans to turn North Korea in to one he77 of a funeral fire!

Yeah, the reality of the situation could be a high-stakes game of Risk between four or five bright, resourceful players...

... or it could be every bit as simple and stupid as you suggest.


21 posted on 05/26/2010 8:02:17 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
As for MRL deployment, I forgot to add that they deployed brigade-size MRL unit at the border area.
22 posted on 05/26/2010 8:02:18 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Nork hardware always looks like a 1950s museum.


23 posted on 05/26/2010 8:05:02 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: TigerLikesRooster

In other news the suspicion that NK is about to collapse, could be another reason for guns pointed north.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2521483/posts


24 posted on 05/26/2010 8:07:07 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (Where is the Black Regiment?)
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To: nascarnation

” Nork hardware always looks like a 1950s museum. “

Don’t worry - that explosive warhead going off won’t hurt you, since it’s old technology??


25 posted on 05/26/2010 8:08:23 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: nascarnation
The whole country is a vintage Stalinist state circa late 1940's and 50's. After Stalin's death, everybody else moved on. Except N. Korea.

In some specialized niche, their military do keep pace with the rest of the world, as they have shown in Cheonan incident.

26 posted on 05/26/2010 8:08:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: nascarnation
No a match for this MLRS
27 posted on 05/26/2010 8:08:42 AM PDT by Nashvegas (What do you get if you offer a liberal a penny for their thoughts? Change)
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To: Nervous Tick

A man with the ego of Kim Jong-il can’t die a regular death he needs to leave a mark that everyone will remember and he needs to make sure that there are a lot of ‘dogs’ at his feet when he goes. I would say as far as his own people he believes that they are better off dead than living on without him.

This is the same ego that ‘Zero’ has and that is one of the things that scare me the most about him!


28 posted on 05/26/2010 8:09:11 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The United States and Japan would never accept a United Korea as a Chinese satellite state.

Nor, I should add, would the South Koreans.

Koreans hate everybody. For good reason, I should add. However, one can see a deal among the major powers of the 1950-53 war in which the U.S. withdraws its troops and forgoes its Security Treaty in the South in exchange for the Chicoms doing Same Same with the North in exchange for Unification and Neutrality under the Southern Flag and Constitution.

The backroom deal would be the generous trade concessions that Chinese companies would receive and the Free Trade Zone that would be set up to benefit Manchukuo Manchuria.

The strategic benefit gained by the Chinese in allowing a proliferator State to exist were clear: nuclear weapons from the DPRK and Iran could go out into the world from Iran and North Korea and China's hidden hand could never be detected. If an American city were destroyed, too bad, so sad.

Now the Chinese may have decided that it is better to make money than to kill Americans.

29 posted on 05/26/2010 8:09:40 AM PDT by section9
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To: Nervous Tick
The Chinese problem created by a rogue NK is more complex than your statement recognizes.

For starters, there is the Korean Autonomous region of Yan bian which lies within China's borders and shares a border with NK. The population (2.1 million) is over 95% ethnic Korean. A Korean peninsula war would send millions of impoverished refugees north across the Yalu and into China by way of Yan bian.

30 posted on 05/26/2010 8:09:54 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

My guess: Chia Head wants a war to get more materiel and food from China, and to solidify the NK army behind his son. So he sank the Cheosan to start tensions. But he forgot to ask Beijing.

Beijing summoned him to “discuss” his action. Chia Head went to Beijing a few weeks ago to ask the powers that be for forgiveness, and to beg for money and food and approval of his 3rd son to avoid a war or coup. Beijing said no. Now Chia Head has decided to attack South Korea to try to get what he wants.

Chia Head knows Beijing will pour over the border to take the nuclear facilities, the northern 200 km of North Korea, and to stop his war. But it will take a few days. Adding a few more weapons at that border may buy Chia Head another day. He’s hoping that will give him enough time to capture most of South Korea (and conveniently eliminate 4 of the top 5 generals of the NK army) and then sue for a truce.

China’s learned that peace pays off a lot better than war. They want no part of it. I won’t be surprised to find Chinese troops and materiel deployed to the border.


31 posted on 05/26/2010 8:09:58 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: wtc911

>> The Chinese problem created by a rogue NK is more complex than your statement recognizes. &etc

No doubt it is. Sounds like you know what you’re talking about. Thanks for the additional info.

How do you think China will handle their client state?


32 posted on 05/26/2010 8:12:35 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
If China were to play this right, they could easily pull South Korea into their sphere of influence by immediately working towards reunification. All they would have to say is “Move the U.S. off your soil and we can start to put Korea back together”

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This statement indicates a distinct lack of understanding of the South Koreans.

33 posted on 05/26/2010 8:12:55 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Nervous Tick
How do you think China will handle their client state?

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IMO? They would seal the border, cut off all food and fuel assistance, wait for an implosion then pick up the pieces.

The real question is...What would China do if ROK, either as an offensive strike or a defensive reaction, ended up occupying Pyongyang?

Just how far would they go in response?

One possibility....let ROK go broke feeding its northern cousins.

34 posted on 05/26/2010 8:17:35 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Norks are picking a fight with CHINA?! They are truly INSANE.

But that’s not really news, is it?


35 posted on 05/26/2010 8:18:14 AM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: wtc911

At what point, if any, do you think DPRK would use, or attempt to use, their nuclear weapon(s)?


36 posted on 05/26/2010 8:19:38 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Pete
But if NK is trying to repel China on the North and defending against SK/US on the South then this isn’t your grandfather’s Korean War.

No, it's not. It is, rather, the thrashing about of a paranoid, dying, and insane regime.

37 posted on 05/26/2010 8:20:35 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Kartographer

He will be forgotten in Hell.


38 posted on 05/26/2010 8:22:26 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: wtc911

The older generation would be opposed, but many of the young generation of South Koreans are in favor of reunification at any cost.


39 posted on 05/26/2010 8:22:31 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Nervous Tick
At what point, if any, do you think DPRK would use, or attempt to use, their nuclear weapon(s)?

Anyone know the general consensus on what nukes the norks might have? How many, yield, etc?
40 posted on 05/26/2010 8:23:24 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Correction: Hmm... 122mm MRL is not quite useful for shooting at escaping refugees.

I don't know. Considering how well armed the Mexican drug gangs are I wouldn't mind having a battery of MLRS backing my action if I tried to stop them.
41 posted on 05/26/2010 8:24:56 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Nervous Tick
At what point, if any, do you think DPRK would use, or attempt to use, their nuclear weapon(s)?

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With a certified head case at the wheel, who can predict?

It would not surprise me though if (assuming this did happen) Japan were the target.

42 posted on 05/26/2010 8:25:57 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Odd move. Makes me wonder if Kim thinks China is going to make a move to overthrow him or make a grab for his nuke facilities.


43 posted on 05/26/2010 8:26:04 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The older generation would be opposed, but many of the young generation of South Koreans are in favor of reunification at any cost.

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That contradicts my rather lengthy experience with the people of South Korea, both old and young. Do not be fooled by the occasional reports of anti-American protests on campuses.

44 posted on 05/26/2010 8:28:35 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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>> It would not surprise me though if (assuming this did happen) Japan were the target.

Strategic use, not tactical, eh?

I’d predict he’d use them against the South and US forces, if hostilities break out. But you’re right... who can predict?


45 posted on 05/26/2010 8:28:56 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Wait talk to some old German Soldiers or Americans that had the Katushka or Nebelwerfer shot at them and see how effective it was against Infantry... Civies would be slaughtered...


46 posted on 05/26/2010 8:31:23 AM PDT by crazydad (What)
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To: jhpigott
Chia Head did not get where he is by letting his guard down even for a long-time ally. To him, China is a devious beast which can devour him if not kept in check. Especially these days when he feel he need to play outside the boundary China is comfortable with. Even lean on China if he has to.
47 posted on 05/26/2010 8:33:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: section9

My experience there was that they certainly dislike the Japanese and are not especially friendly with the Chinese. They tended to like us, at least comparatively. It helps also that a large number of Koreans now have relatives in the United States.


48 posted on 05/26/2010 8:37:40 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Vice Guide to North Korea provided some really good insight into North Korea.

http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3

Currently the content is unavailable. Interesting.


49 posted on 05/26/2010 8:39:14 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I suffer from B.S. - Barack Syndrome!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Sounds like the producer of Pulgasauri and Greatest Golfer in the Known Universe is getting ready for a Viking funeral.


50 posted on 05/26/2010 8:43:07 AM PDT by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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