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Lockheed Martin develops new military rifle scope
AP Finance on Yahoo ^ | 5/26/10 | AP

Posted on 05/26/2010 11:33:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

AKRON, Ohio (AP) -- Lockheed Martin landed a $3.9 million contract to develop a rifle scope attachment meant to improve accuracy in the U.S. military.

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency contract authorized the development of system using a low-power laser rangefinder that adjusts for wind and other environmental conditions. The system is meant to allow soldiers to accurately view targets at varying distances without changing scopes.

Scopes currently focus primarily on a single target range "impacting soldiers' effectiveness and survivability when engaging targets at different distances during a single mission," said Dan Schultz, a Lockheed Martin vice president.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; darpa; develops; lockheedmartin; militaryrifle; scope
This contract is for M-4 and M-16 automatic rifles.
1 posted on 05/26/2010 11:33:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Scope? Scope? I don’t need no stinkin’ scope..

Where’s my BAR or my M79 GRenade Launcher?


2 posted on 05/26/2010 11:35:16 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: NormsRevenge

That is odd to even put a scope on those weapons.


3 posted on 05/26/2010 11:37:12 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: NormsRevenge

...Does it contain references to Bible verses?


4 posted on 05/26/2010 11:37:49 AM PDT by tpmintx (Liberalism=Envy + Governmental authority. (I'm green; are you?))
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To: tpmintx

Oh Lordy, let’s not go there. :-)


5 posted on 05/26/2010 11:38:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: NormsRevenge

How is a scope local to a rifle going to compensate for wind downrange? I was taught to look at angles to determine the wind velocity downrange, how is a scope going to do that?!


6 posted on 05/26/2010 11:39:02 AM PDT by Thurston_Howell_III (Ahoy polloi... where did you come from, a scotch ad?)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

Built-in wind-o-meter.


7 posted on 05/26/2010 11:40:07 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: NormsRevenge
using a low-power laser rangefinder

That's worse than seeing the flash of sunlight off of a scope. All you need is a small laser detector and you'd know when you are in someone's sights and that it's time to duck really quickly.
8 posted on 05/26/2010 11:40:14 AM PDT by tpmintx (Liberalism=Envy + Governmental authority. (I'm green; are you?))
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Good point.


9 posted on 05/26/2010 11:40:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: NormsRevenge

This contract is for M-4 and M-16 automatic rifles.

You don’t want to put a scope any more powerful that 2x on a a straightleg infantrymans rifle. Otherwise you will keyhole his vision. Brits tried using 4x in Norther Ireland and found it to be sub optimal. They recommended based on their use magnification between 1.5 to 2x. This allow full vision with a slight bump up to the shooter in aim point. Currently, I believe we are using Trijicon 4x as the standard day optic on the M4/M16. With 5.56mm, don’t really understand the attempt to measure windage electronically, especially for an M4.


10 posted on 05/26/2010 11:40:54 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: NormsRevenge

Can’t the laser be seen and thus give away the troop’s
positions?


11 posted on 05/26/2010 11:41:02 AM PDT by rahbert (Our enemy has yet to reveal himself...)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

A wind-o-meter! of course! I didn’t even think of that! Its so simple!


12 posted on 05/26/2010 11:41:02 AM PDT by Thurston_Howell_III (Ahoy polloi... where did you come from, a scotch ad?)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Iron sights, put a round up a flea’s butt at 500 yards....


13 posted on 05/26/2010 11:42:02 AM PDT by Thurston_Howell_III (Ahoy polloi... where did you come from, a scotch ad?)
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To: rahbert

Infrared laser.


14 posted on 05/26/2010 11:43:33 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I want a musket!!!


15 posted on 05/26/2010 11:44:33 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE (h)
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To: NormsRevenge

How bout a totally passive device?


16 posted on 05/26/2010 11:45:55 AM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: tpmintx

True.
Does the taliban have that?


17 posted on 05/26/2010 11:47:04 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE (h)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Here. Try this one. ;-)

It comes with Wireless and an HDcam.. :-)

18 posted on 05/26/2010 11:49:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

MCRD PING!


19 posted on 05/26/2010 11:52:35 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

3x - 4x is the Trijicon ACOG standard mag, depending upon the model.
I believe the USMC uses 4x in the TA-31RCO ACOG.
The magnifier for the Army Aimpoint M68 is 3x.

Above that, it should only be used on a dedicated rifle.


20 posted on 05/26/2010 11:53:36 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE (h)
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To: NormsRevenge

I hope this is commercial in time for elk season..........(ha ha)


21 posted on 05/26/2010 11:54:27 AM PDT by llevrok (A stranger in my own country)
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To: NormsRevenge

Crazy, but surely a joke.
AN/PVS-14
Aimpoint magnifier
2 x Aimpoint CompM4.


22 posted on 05/26/2010 11:54:54 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE (h)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Does the taliban have that?

Not yet; but soon is my guess.
23 posted on 05/26/2010 11:56:17 AM PDT by tpmintx (Liberalism=Envy + Governmental authority. (I'm green; are you?))
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To: llevrok

probably wouldn’t matter for me but for hunters , you bet ..


24 posted on 05/26/2010 11:56:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: tpmintx

They’re top scientists are working on it.


25 posted on 05/26/2010 11:56:58 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE (h)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
That is odd to even put a scope on those weapons.

Oh come on... when dumping a 30 round 5.56 magazine on full auto, it most definitely helps to have a precision scope. Preferably a 10x-30x zoom.

26 posted on 05/26/2010 11:57:53 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
You don’t want to put a scope any more powerful that 2x on a a straightleg infantrymans rifle. Otherwise you will keyhole his vision.

My Son-in-law, a Marine in a weapons Battalion, has a 3.5 power Trijicon ACOG on his duty M-4. Also has a AN/PEQ-16A laser/IR sight.

27 posted on 05/26/2010 12:01:28 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
That is odd to even put a scope on those weapons.

Search for the term "ACOG" on your favorite search engine. Much of our ground troops are using them in conjunction with lasers for short range.

28 posted on 05/26/2010 12:03:48 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III
How is a scope local to a rifle going to compensate for wind downrange? I was taught to look at angles to determine the wind velocity downrange, how is a scope going to do that?!

Maybe it has an attached weathervane, windsock and anemometer

29 posted on 05/26/2010 12:04:20 PM PDT by fso301
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To: tpmintx
...Does it contain references to Bible verses?

Mine do!

30 posted on 05/26/2010 12:04:35 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Their

(I’m so ashamed)


31 posted on 05/26/2010 12:09:37 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE (h)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III
How is a scope local to a rifle going to compensate for wind downrange? I was taught to look at angles to determine the wind velocity downrange, how is a scope going to do that?!

Check out Doppler LIDAR. It's like radar but uses much smaller wavelength laser light pulses instead of radio and therefore can see the motion of individual air particles. I would love a device like this for thermal hunting when paragliding. Making no mistakes a paraglider, hang-glider or sailplane might fly hundreds of miles until sunset.

32 posted on 05/26/2010 12:34:59 PM PDT by Reeses (Children, prisoners, and Democrats need adult supervision.)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

33 posted on 05/26/2010 12:40:15 PM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (A half-truth masquerading as the whole truth becomes a complete untruth. (J.I. Packer)
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To: rahbert
Can’t the laser be seen and thus give away the troop’s positions?

Yes, it can give away the position of the laser but the laser doesn't need to be at the same position as the troops or robot holding the gun. There can be decoy lasers to flush out or confuse a well-equipped enemy. A sniper bullet is probably not enough in this case.

34 posted on 05/26/2010 12:51:58 PM PDT by Reeses (Children, prisoners, and Democrats need adult supervision.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Where’s the bayonet?


35 posted on 05/26/2010 1:20:40 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("You cannot defeat an enemy you will not define.")
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To: Reeses

Why stop at sunset? Keep on keeping on!


36 posted on 05/26/2010 1:32:30 PM PDT by Thurston_Howell_III (Ahoy polloi... where did you come from, a scotch ad?)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
You don’t want to put a scope any more powerful that 2x on a a straightleg infantrymans rifle. Otherwise you will keyhole his vision. Brits tried using 4x in Norther Ireland and found it to be sub optimal. They recommended based on their use magnification between 1.5 to 2x. This allow full vision with a slight bump up to the shooter in aim point.

I like the Weaver V3 (a 1x-3x variable, also recommended by JP Enterprises: http://www.jprifles.com/1.6.3.3_Weaver.php ). At 1x, you can see absolutely everything with both eyes open, and it's about as quick on the target (with the heavy reticle) as a red dot. If you need some magnification, crank it up to 3x, and you're good for two or three hundred yards (probably more, if your eyes are better than mine ;>)...

37 posted on 05/26/2010 4:04:51 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

>Built-in wind-o-meter.

They’ll know it’s working when trying to view a politician through it causes overloads trying to calculate the wind [speed].
[/sarc]


38 posted on 05/26/2010 6:05:26 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

The only way it would make sense is if the soldier could estimate the wind speed and enter it into the computer. Since it has a distance from the laser rangefinder, and it knows the exterior ballistics, it could adjust the windage and elevation settings.

I can’t see the point of putting this on a battle rifle, especially a carbine. If I was a sniper, I’d love to have such a tool. It makes no sense to put it on a short barrelled rifle that was designed for urban combat.


39 posted on 05/27/2010 6:44:28 AM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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