Posted on 05/26/2010 3:54:40 PM PDT by Niuhuru
Britain’s welfare system is ‘bust’ and faces its most radical overhaul for 60 years to undo Labour’s legacy of benefit dependency, Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith has declared.
The former Tory leader vowed to end the scandal that means welfare claimants are no better off – and sometimes poorer – if they come off the dole to take jobs paying up to £15,000 a year.
He also signalled that benefit payments to the middle classes were likely to be pared back in favour of income tax cuts – and the state pension age might have to rise more quickly than planned.
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Taking toys away from collectivist monkeys is never a pretty sight.
I’m sure there will be plenty of single mothers who will scream in rage at this. It’s too bad that conservatives always have to clean up the messes left by liberals.
They are poor because they are lazy. Start at £15,000 and work your damn way up a bit... Sheeze...
Not always. Lots of people get sick, go mental, or they get unemployed through losing their job. I don’t mind them, just the ones who stay on it for generations.
I’ve always maintained that everyone on welfare should have to work for the government in order to receive the benefits.
Even if it meant they have be janitors or whatever. Or if there is no work needed, then they should dig holes in the ground and fill it up again later. I don’t care if the work is productive, only that they understand that nothing is free. That would encourage a lot of people to leave welfare and get real jobs.
I don’t mind a social safety net at all. I just want to kick out all of those that use it as a hammock.
to be honest, I’m on SSD. I’m building my own business, but still need it since I got hit with a whopper of a depression and recent events have made it more worse. I might get stamps too, mainly to help me with my budget. I really don’t think working for the government will help my state of mind.
I am working on my own business, but still dealing with demons. That’s why I don’t mind people who really needs it.
Couldn’t have put it better.
Nope it isn't, however they are taking away from them what wasn't theirs in the first place aren't they.
Yeah, they actually need jobs for the people and how are they going to make that happen. Watching the total crash and burn of socialist Europe is fascinating.
Brilliant post, but the socialist Democrats would never be able to keep their stanglehold on their indentured servants that way.
Still a brilliant idea.
Meanwhile, in this country, Obama guts welfare reform.
The US tried stuff like that during the Depression, didn't work out. You see digging holes and filling it back up again is nothing like a productive job.
bump
Years ago, after so-called welfare reform was implemented, our local supermarket hired several former welfare recipients. A few were ok, but there was one who did nothing but complain and loudly so everyone including management could hear. She clearly was unhappy that now she had to actually work for a living.
I noticed after a few months that most of those former welfare recipients were gone. Shortly thereafter, the store took out about half the old style checkout counters and replaced them with automated self-serve machines. I suppose those machine were a lot more cost effective than paying whining checkout people.
I was talking about welfare, not people with genuine disability.
Although I don’t think those should be completely free either, but obviously what the individuals should be expected to do to get those benefits differ than people on welfare.
“I’ve always maintained that everyone on welfare should have to work for the government in order to receive the benefits.”
AW come on now, don’t we have enough problems with the government without adding to it?
£15,000 is $21,600 for those who don’t know the conversion rate.
That’s the idea, the work is miserable and people look for the first opportunity out of it.
I’m not saying this will improve the economy, this is strictly about getting rid of the welfare lifestyle.
I have no problem with safety nets for such people. But I lived over there for a summer working and people just go on the dole and they don't even have to prove that they are looking for work. It's a lifestyle choice over there.
My friend's daughter here in NYC just applied for welfare, Medicaid and food stamps and was shocked to learn that even the small monthly pittance she will receive means she has to work 35 hours a week. When Rudy was mayor he turned the NYC Welfare program on its head and started forcing those who are able-bodied to actually work for their checks.
This is great news! Go for it IDS!
Just think of all the career bureaucrat positions in all the government agencies we can reduce with these welfare temps.
California abandoned it’s welfare to work laws only recently.
Too expensive to administer.
Thanks for the conversion. $21K and they snuff their nose at it. Amazing.
Good for Rudy and good for NYC. That’s the way it should be every where.
There are no jobs to “force” welfare recipients into...the immigrants took all the dinky ass jobs in the UK
They should spend all day making little rocks out of big rocks.
“Just think of all the career bureaucrat positions in all the government agencies we can reduce with these welfare temps.”
You’re making me laugh! Once at the DMV there was an employee who did nothing but walk into each office, look around and walk back out again. They kept doing all the while we were there!
How do you determine able-bodied? I’ve been out of work for some time, I have a disability, and yet I’m perfectly able to work, no one is willing to take a chance on me.
40 pages (!) of jobs in the local paper last month in Birmingham UK.
It is regional of course. But there are jobs to spare in England. And not Government jobs either.
If "welfare work" involved going to Afghanistan to clear mines, I'm sure welfare rolls would be reduced fairly quickly.
I believe the ones they're concerned about are the career welfare queens...
Legend has it that is what happened in Liverpool in the early 1800’s - The Williamson Tunnels - but from a capitalist, not the govt...:^)
Capitalists, doing the work the socialists won’t do for two centuries.
Hmmmmmm..... Any jobs in a chips shoppe? I’ll work there. Love your fish and chips but I need ketchup and lemon on the side. Malt vinegar is lame. But I won’t work in a Muslim chip shoppe!
It didn't? My Grandpa worked for his "welfare" or county relief as they called it. He got up every day and washed windows for the city/county until evening. It kept them from starving and their Church helped clothe the family. They survived a grim era.....with dignity intact.
Just when Obimbo is going full tilt and damn the torpedoes toward Euro—socialism
You do have to work to get benefits. 12 years ago WIA was signed into law and TANF states that welfare is not an entitlement. BTW, there is a 48 month max.
I’m not for welfare but everyone should check your facts. It aint what it used to be.
I didn’t mean it that way, I meant in the economical sense.
lol.
and my dad picked cotton! .... against the blizzard uphill both ways.
heheh
Let’s hope the same thing happens here in 2012 if not before! No one should ever make what welfare recipants make between benefits,earned income tax credits,food,rent,etc....It is to the poinjt that those who collect live like the middle class who don’t get those same breaks.
Not anymore!Obama wiped away much of that in the Stimulas bill. Also the 48 months max was a fable because all a woman had to do was have another baby and that lifted the 48 months.
If that backfill doesn’t work there will be enough oil washing up on our coastlines to keep the welfare people employed until they are old enough to retire.
Oh yea.. My Daddy picked cotton for real. Pretty hard labor.
I wasn’t kidding about my dad picking cotton, he also remember how they barely made it even when they got money from his brothers who were serving in WW2.
Ever thought of working for yourself?
Most people are generous to give a hand up...if they see someone struggling but at least attempting to do something to better themselves. For years...I've had to deal with welfare queens who think the world owes them. Personally, I'm sick of it.
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