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Very, very serious warning. (received in email this AM)
reuters ^ | Oct 14, 2009

Posted on 05/27/2010 7:23:33 AM PDT by cycle of discernment

>>While you were watching the oil spill, and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.

OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND USES IT. IF THIS PASSES, THERE COULD BE WAR

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States

The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations.

Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments.

The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation that will lead to new gun control laws, while his Secretary of State, cloaked in secrecy is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws.

We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public.

We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A FALSE WARNING.

As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

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1 posted on 05/27/2010 7:23:33 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

Wait, does this mean that I won’t be able to buy a firearm when my Nigerian bank transfer comes through?


2 posted on 05/27/2010 7:25:10 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Hey, Princess Lokumba said that was MY money!


3 posted on 05/27/2010 7:26:00 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: cycle of discernment
Four words:
Buy more 30rd mags.
4 posted on 05/27/2010 7:26:03 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: cycle of discernment

Treaties must be ratified. It takes 67 votes to ratify a treaty in the Senate. 67 Senators, whether Dem or Pub, will not ratify to confiscate United States citizens’ guns under the United Nations.


5 posted on 05/27/2010 7:26:09 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: cycle of discernment

I’m thinking the US Senate needs to ratify treaties to limit the ability of POTUS to bind us to international agreements. Has the Senate seen this treaty yet?


6 posted on 05/27/2010 7:27:03 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: cycle of discernment

Urban legend, and irrelevant. Treaties must be ratified by the Senate to take effect. A small arms prohibition treaty would get maybe 3 votes in the current Senate.


7 posted on 05/27/2010 7:27:07 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: cycle of discernment

I think this email has some credibility problems. I checked the NRAILA site and they are not too concerned, or at least it would appear.


8 posted on 05/27/2010 7:27:11 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

” Wait, does this mean that I won’t be able to buy a firearm when my Nigerian bank transfer comes through? “

Uh, no. It means that you will die of old age before your Nigerian bank transfer comes through ;-)


9 posted on 05/27/2010 7:27:11 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: cycle of discernment

If this is the case, where does the following come into play?

HERE ARE THE CLEAR IRREFUTABLE FACTS: The U.S. Supreme Court has made it very clear that
1) Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution.

2) Treaties cannot amend the Constitution. And last,

3) A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress (or by a sovereign State or States if Congress refuses to do so), when the State deems a treaty the performance of a treaty is self-destructive. The law of self-preservation overrules the law of obligation in others. When you’ve read this thoroughly, hopefully, you will never again sit quietly by when someone — anyone — claims that treaties supercede the Constitution. Help to dispell this myth.

“This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty.” - Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17.


10 posted on 05/27/2010 7:27:26 AM PDT by RC2
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To: cycle of discernment
"Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments."

Like Somalia? Cool!

11 posted on 05/27/2010 7:27:52 AM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: cycle of discernment

Not to worry, the NRA is on the case.


12 posted on 05/27/2010 7:27:54 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That’s crazy talk. Why would they have asked for my banking info if they weren’t going to send it?


13 posted on 05/27/2010 7:28:40 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: cycle of discernment

“confiscation of all firearms.”

Ain’t gonna happen, no way, no how.


14 posted on 05/27/2010 7:29:05 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Illegal immigration is destroying America, look what it's done to the White House)
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To: cycle of discernment

Shouldn’t you use the actual headline in the link — or else label this a vanity post?


15 posted on 05/27/2010 7:30:31 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: RC2

Federalist Papers, Letters 45 and 46.


16 posted on 05/27/2010 7:31:21 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: cycle of discernment

“On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States”

They can have my weapons. One bullet at a time, and the delivery method....they might find objectionable.


17 posted on 05/27/2010 7:31:42 AM PDT by Grunthor (Faster than the speed of smell.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

LOL!!

Did you ever read the correspondence from an American guy who put a particular scam artist Nigerian woman through the ringer?

Priceless ;-)


18 posted on 05/27/2010 7:32:15 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: RC2

States do not have the constitutional authority to “deem” a treaty self-destructive.


19 posted on 05/27/2010 7:32:16 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: cycle of discernment

You’re right to be concerned, but Obama can’t single-handed make a treaty binding on us. The Senate has to ratify all treaties — by a two-thirds vote, unless I’ve slipped a cog — and the Dems could only reach this threshhold with six to ten, nominally eight, RINOs voting with them. They should need more, hopefully lots more, after November. If not, see tagline.


20 posted on 05/27/2010 7:33:03 AM PDT by JohnQ1 ("I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow)
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To: cycle of discernment
OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT...

WRONG! The treaty is not legal.

The U.S. Constitution is the law of THIS land.

There IS no legal way around the Second Amendment, only ILLEGAL ways.

21 posted on 05/27/2010 7:33:40 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm; stephenjohnbanker
They said my Nigerian check is on its way.......

They sound so nice too.

22 posted on 05/27/2010 7:33:50 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: cycle of discernment

23 posted on 05/27/2010 7:34:22 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I won the Greek lottery,but due to the crisis.I can’t cash
the ticket.I’m willing to share the winnings with my American friend for a mere thousand dollars.Sincerely,Spiro


24 posted on 05/27/2010 7:34:37 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: cycle of discernment

I love how people who just discovered the Internet panic at their first chain email.

THIS IS REAL! FORWARD TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS!

Yawn...


25 posted on 05/27/2010 7:34:38 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: cycle of discernment

No treaty can abuse the Constitution. If that were the case we wouldn’t have a constitution, we’d just have treaties.


26 posted on 05/27/2010 7:34:47 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: cycle of discernment

Getting closer to a revoloution!


27 posted on 05/27/2010 7:34:53 AM PDT by Biggirl (I Have A New Rainbow Bridge Baby, Negritia! =^..^=)
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To: RC2

Lock and Load, boys and girls.
Iffen they try, it will then be time to start pulling triggers.
Too bad, but what the hey, you can’t live forever!
Better that they die on THEIR feet than you live on YOUR knees.
With apoligies to our (honorary) countryman, Winston Churchill.


28 posted on 05/27/2010 7:35:16 AM PDT by Flintlock
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To: cycle of discernment
Say it ain't so, Joe. Say it ain't so


29 posted on 05/27/2010 7:35:17 AM PDT by Riodacat (Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Lakeshark

E-mail my daughter when the check clears....I will be long gone by then ;-)


30 posted on 05/27/2010 7:36:00 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Lakeshark

How the heck did i know she was only 17 years old


31 posted on 05/27/2010 7:36:13 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: txrangerette

“67 Senators, whether Dem or Pub, will not ratify to confiscate United States citizens’ guns under the United Nations.”

Ratification would definitely start a shooting war.


32 posted on 05/27/2010 7:36:25 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Don't think of work as 5 days on, 2 days off. Instead think 4 nights on, 3 off.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

If you haven’t responded to the second and third request for more money your SoL! My check should be here tomorrow...


33 posted on 05/27/2010 7:36:37 AM PDT by tubebender (I inherited my insanity from my kids...)
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To: cycle of discernment

This has been in the “news” for a number of years. There is really rather LITTLE to it.


34 posted on 05/27/2010 7:36:48 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: ccmay

I get 5 or 6, by my count

Schumer

Lautenberg

Feinstein

Boxer

That idiot senator from Illinois... No, not him, the OTHER idiot senator from Illinois.

and maybe Kerry?


35 posted on 05/27/2010 7:37:42 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: cycle of discernment

I got this email with a puppy being nursed by a tiger! It was real cute and since it also said I’d have good luck if I sent it to 10 more people, I did. Guess what? I found a dollar!!!!


36 posted on 05/27/2010 7:38:36 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: cycle of discernment

37 posted on 05/27/2010 7:38:44 AM PDT by jslade (People that are easily offended OFFEND ME!)
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To: cycle of discernment
Hillary Clinton Commits To UN Small Arms Treaty

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

38 posted on 05/27/2010 7:39:31 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( - Free Men will always be armed with the Truth. -)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
LOL. I'm forwarding the proceeds to the McCain campaign.......

They're about as real.

39 posted on 05/27/2010 7:40:16 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: cycle of discernment

Yeah, I get emails like this every now and then. I usually get a sentence or two in before they quit passing the smell test.

But then, I use Costco heavy duty tin foil, double layered, so I’m immune to the brain wave disruptions that afflict the rest of you guys.


40 posted on 05/27/2010 7:41:52 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: cycle of discernment

>> While you were watching the oil spill, and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.

Nonsense.

(1) Hillary Clinton doesn’t have the authority to sign a treaty, and ...
(2) ... even if she did, treaties have to be ratified to be enforced. Good luck with that. Even in this ridiculously liberal Senate, there aren’t CLOSE to 67 votes to ratify the banning of firearms.

Don’t believe every chain letter you get by e-mail.

SnakeDoc


41 posted on 05/27/2010 7:42:55 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Shut it down" ... 00:00:03 ... 00:00:02 ... 00:00:01 ... 00:00:00 ...)
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To: Lakeshark

ROTFLOL!!


42 posted on 05/27/2010 7:44:08 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: cycle of discernment
We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public.

I guess I'd better order a couple of thousand more rounds. Maybe 2000 of 5.56 and 500 of .45 ACP.

Just hope my knees are all fixed up before the SHTF.

43 posted on 05/27/2010 7:44:53 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

The premise on which this is based is not bogus.
The UN small arms treaty effectively bans private ownership of firearms,

and if ratified, becomes a part of the Constitution.

Then, it will be up to the courts to decide whether the treaty supercedes the 2nd amendment or the other way around.

Trust the courts?


44 posted on 05/27/2010 7:45:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: cycle of discernment
while his Secretary of State, cloaked in secrecy is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws.

Treaties ... Senate ... no way.

45 posted on 05/27/2010 7:45:54 AM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: cycle of discernment

That story is from last October.


46 posted on 05/27/2010 7:46:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Barack Hussein Obama: limp-spaghetti-noodle-in-chief.)
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To: RC2

Thank you for bringing this to the attention of others that are unfamiliar with our Constitution and our acknowledged rights therefrom.


47 posted on 05/27/2010 7:52:05 AM PDT by Old Badger (boy do opportunities abound everywhere for Real Conservatives!)
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To: cycle of discernment

Only when “pried from my cold, dead hands”.


48 posted on 05/27/2010 7:52:22 AM PDT by kiltie65
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To: cycle of discernment

Here is my opinion on all things FED GOV today:

Federal law states that illegal immigration is illegal yet Obama refuses to enforce it.

We have terrorists trying to attack us and Obama does not care.

There is an oil spill going on and Obama is absent.

A guy by the name of Sestak was illegally bribed with a cushy FED GOV job to give up his run against Specter and Obama’s minions have declared that nothing inappropriate happened.

Obama and Hillary ignore Netanyahu but cozy up to Putin.

North Korea sinks a South Korean ship and crickets.....

Arizona tries to save their State and Obama’s Holder declares their law unconstitutional BEFORE he reads it.

Voter Intimidation was committed by the New Black Panther Party and Obama’s Holder drops the case.......and from tomorrow through May 31 (over Memorial Day Weekend), the New Black Panther Party will be hosting a National Black Power Convention. Can just imagine what would happen if the KKK decided to hold a National White Power Convention during Black History month.

And with all of the above said, the REAL ENEMY of this Administration are Americans who believe in BORDERS, SOVEREIGNTY, and INDIVIDUALISM!


49 posted on 05/27/2010 7:54:37 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve - STUPAK)
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To: RC2
I don't believe your #3 is correct, in so far as action by the States is concerned. While a treaty cannot amend or overide the Federal Constitution, it can and they have overidden state laws and state constitutional provisions.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the (Constitution or Laws) of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
Art. IV clause 2, Constitution for the United States.
(Parentheses added for clarity)

50 posted on 05/27/2010 7:54:52 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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