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Chiefs voice concerns over Ariz. law Top cops hold hourlong,
Police One ^ | May 26, 2010 | Pete Yost

Posted on 05/27/2010 8:18:30 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot

WASHINGTON — Arizona's new immigration law and similar proposals in other states would lead to an increase in crime, some police chiefs from around the country told Attorney General Eric Holder in an hourlong meeting Wednesday.

The chiefs told the attorney general that having to determine whether a person is in the United States illegally will break down the trust that police have built in communities and will divert law enforcement resources away from fighting crime.

If that happens, "we will be unable to do our jobs," said Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck. "Laws like this will actually increase crime, not decrease crime."

Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said the requirements of the new law are so burdensome that "we doubt the federal government can even handle the numbers of people we will bring to them" on immigration status.

(Excerpt) Read more at policeone.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; biglie; crime; goebbelstactics; immigration; mediafraud; wot
Read the article and then see the comments from LEOs from around the country. AG Holder and his gang staged this event for mass media to foist on the public. Don't forget to read the comments from the cops.

Examples: " When I started in '65 the feds paid us a bounty of $25 a head on wets; then it was reduced to $15 and finally $3 and next INS refused to take them from our jail (in San Antonio/Bexar Co.)so we were told do not arrest them unless they've committed another crime besides illegal entry. Now look what we've got. These liberals still don't get it. Hang in there AZ, I'm praying TX follows your lead. Detener los mojados!"

"I'm a MN LE officer that is disgusted to see that the Mpls (yes, definately a liberal 'sanctuary city'!) chief even attended this political masquerade promoted by the goverment media! Hang in there AZ LE brothers and sisters! (Is there talk of secession yet!?!?)Thanks to Arikona and others on the front line weighing in on this. You've got backing from this fellow American officer and many more from the north! God Bless! "Quit bitching, kissing ass, and do your DAMN job SO CALLED COPS, or leave it to us who can. Doesn't get any simpler than than! I'm black and have to show I.D.& have been over here 300 yrs, the white man has to show I.D. and has been over just as long as well as the Indians who came over here before us all and all of us has to show I.D. so why do others feel they don't have to show I.D., abide by our laws, and have the absolute nerve to act as if though we owe them something???? And to have a spineless kiss ass president let a man the Mexican President for that matter disrespect America to our face? Point blank if you're legit and have nothing to worry about what's the PROBLEM???? People are making it harder and harder for cops like me to do my job.... Killing part is it's from fellow brothers & sisters.

1 posted on 05/27/2010 8:18:30 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: Neoliberalnot

Is it just me, or do some of these chiefs sound like illegal immigrants themselves??


2 posted on 05/27/2010 8:23:27 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Neoliberalnot
"Laws like this will actually increase crime, not decrease crime."

To paraphrase Lord Monckton "And your reference for such statements?"

3 posted on 05/27/2010 8:24:21 AM PDT by Timocrat
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To: Neoliberalnot

Our local sheriffs deputies enforced federal law for two years, then Obama cut their detention funds and stopped taking the caught ones off their hands.

And no one complained.


4 posted on 05/27/2010 8:24:38 AM PDT by Tarpon (Obama-Speak ... the fusion of sophistry and Newspeak. It's not a gift, it's just lies.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
If the "Chiefs" are worried about AZ law, then they better start putting pressure on the politicians who reside up there in the District of Corruption to remove the identical FEDERAL law. Just not enforcing it is just plain wrong - in a country that prides itself as being a nation of laws, you don't get to choose which ones you like and which ones you will not enforce. That is tyranny.

Why isn't taking an oath to uphold the laws of the land and defend the Constitution under false pretenses, an impeachable offense? Or they should be recalled from their public "service" office at a minimum - every last one of these "chiefs".

As they said in AZ when the volcano erupted - there are twelve "chiefs" who oppose it and thousands of law enforcement officers who support it. Guess who the old dying lying lame stream media like to quote for their "news" stories, so-called.
5 posted on 05/27/2010 8:25:05 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Hardraade

They probably are; but the main thing is they are showing themselves to be fools.

We just need to keep moving forward until this disease is wiped out.


6 posted on 05/27/2010 8:25:40 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Neoliberalnot

It’s more important to have a potentially good rapport with illegals in your area than to enforce the laws against them?

Boycott LA, folks. Just say, “No.”


7 posted on 05/27/2010 8:26:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Total bull crap!


8 posted on 05/27/2010 8:27:25 AM PDT by Castigar
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To: Neoliberalnot

“Laws like this will actually increase crime, not decrease crime.” . . .Probably because illegals are fleeing AZ and moving to LA????????


9 posted on 05/27/2010 8:29:25 AM PDT by exbrit
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To: Neoliberalnot

FOX exposed these people yesterday.

All the “Chiefs” belong to a liberal consortium of police Chiefs with a far left agenda,

See: http://www.policeforum.org/

Apparently screwball Holder has been holding meetings with these bastards for some time now, long before this last most notorious session.


10 posted on 05/27/2010 8:30:20 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Cheerio

A corrupt media and a corrupt government are partners in crime against US citizens. If this isn’t treason, then what is?


11 posted on 05/27/2010 8:30:24 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot; All
Careful with this report. . . .

Is this not the same "Progressives" police officer group which Glenn Beck outed yesterday?

If so, then theirs are carefully orchestrated views to pollute and further bias the media and citizens against the Arizona law.

Freepers need to get on this in every state to publicize the truth as to just who this group really represents.

12 posted on 05/27/2010 8:32:45 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: ZULU

This is why I emphasized reading the comments from Law Enforcement Officers. This is media and government fraud perpetrated on the public and these crooks are getting away with it. The one cop even addresses secession.


13 posted on 05/27/2010 8:32:52 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot

In northern California, I was a paralegal riding with the INS patroling around with the local cops on routine drug busts, looking for Mexican dealers. But all the illegals standing on the corners they passed by or in the apartment houses they raided, were never asked for papers. But I witnessed ordinary US citizens who were subjected to ID examinations and body/home searches. The illegals had more rights than the citizens under the Constitution. I asked the INS why they did this: They told me it wasn`t their job; they and the local cops were only going after after drug dealer convictions. If the INS did go after one illegal in an apartment house, they would completely ignore the other 99% illegals living in the same apartment building even though I would point them out to them because the Legal Aid Society was helping the illegals in traffic arrests. What a bunch of losers!


14 posted on 05/27/2010 8:35:23 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: ZULU
You are correct about the agenda of this group, and citizens in every state need to be apprised of that fact.

Apparently, the Administration is carefully orchestrating its multiple prongs of information control to justify whatever agenda it wishes to impose on the states and the people.

15 posted on 05/27/2010 8:36:07 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Neoliberalnot
So, in a nutshell, these Chiefs don't want to do their sworn duty.
16 posted on 05/27/2010 8:36:24 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: bunkerhill7

More reasons to support Arizona. I live in the midwest, but US citizens in AZ are my brothers too.


17 posted on 05/27/2010 8:37:26 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot

BTTT!


18 posted on 05/27/2010 8:39:21 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2

They are experts at trying to manipulate public opinion. This skill has been honed to a high art in Mayor Daley’s corrupt Chicago.

But a wise man once said you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time - and Rasmussen polling is bearing that out.


19 posted on 05/27/2010 8:40:26 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Timocrat
To paraphrase Lord Monckton "And your reference for such statements?"

their large, bureaucratic, buttocks.

20 posted on 05/27/2010 8:43:20 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: ZULU

Barking Obama’s mistake is that he thought that being an organizer of community illiterates qualified him to lead people with a mind and an education.


21 posted on 05/27/2010 8:44:25 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot

I like that.


22 posted on 05/27/2010 8:46:41 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
On the matter of "fooling" the people, is that quote not attributed to a famous Illinois citizen named Lincoln?

He would be astounded at what passes for "leadership" in and from his state now.

23 posted on 05/27/2010 8:46:47 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Hardraade

If crime actually WERE to increase in any of their areas it would be due to the influx of illegals LEAVING Arizona!!!


24 posted on 05/27/2010 8:47:21 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: loveliberty2

Lincoln would be appalled and yes, I believe it is from Lincoln.


25 posted on 05/27/2010 8:47:33 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
Apparently screwball Holder has been holding meetings with these bastards for some time now, long before this last most notorious session.

If the federal government is going to subvert the state police against the interest of their own state, how can it not end in either the practical destruction of the republic, or war?

26 posted on 05/27/2010 8:52:11 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

In the mean time rush hour traffice gets even more congested:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/Arizona-Desert-Trash.htm


27 posted on 05/27/2010 8:54:42 AM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH (Select conservatives for the coming primaries, now. Vote out the incumbents.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

By all means, let’s make the illegals comfortable with law enforcement while American citizens are being raped, murdered, robbed, have their homes invaded and their jobs taken. What the heck, they have so much and the illegals “need” and deserve to be helped while those rich Americans have too much.


28 posted on 05/27/2010 8:57:38 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Illegal is not a race, it is a crime)
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To: Neoliberalnot

These top cops are damn fools. Sure something will change as illegals are invited to go back across the border. I am sick of weak child like cops that cannon take the heat when they should suck it up and get busy doing what has to be done, RETURN ILLEGAL MEXICANS BACK TO MEXICO. No way is perfect but neither is millions of illegals that are strangling America.


29 posted on 05/27/2010 9:04:52 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: tacticalogic

Hopefully this will change in 2010.

If enough of the bastard Dems are thrown out of Congress and enough RINOs are replaced by Tea Party supporters, Obama’s hands will be tied and he might even be removed from office through impeachment which would be a blessing for most Americans.

Its really sad that the first black President turned out to be such a loser.


30 posted on 05/27/2010 9:06:58 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: tacticalogic

If the federal government is going to subvert the state police against the interest of their own state, how can it not end in either the practical destruction of the republic, or war?””

The evidence suggests that destruction of the republic is their goal and if it turns to war, so much the better for them; that is if the military takes their side.


31 posted on 05/27/2010 9:10:16 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: ZULU
Its really sad that the first black President turned out to be such a loser.

You are right, it should have been a black conservative.

32 posted on 05/27/2010 9:12:53 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Illegal is not a race, it is a crime)
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To: Neoliberalnot
The evidence suggests that destruction of the republic is their goal and if it turns to war, so much the better for them; that is if the military takes their side.

I don't see the military having any reason to side with this administration. Their allegiance must be to the Constitution.

33 posted on 05/27/2010 9:13:34 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: McGavin999

Yup. Keyes, Watts, or that Col. Allen West who is running for office in Florida.


34 posted on 05/27/2010 9:18:54 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
Col. West with his military backgound would be great, but in addition there are some really good black businessmen and women who would have been perfect.

Unfortunately, I think Obama has done major damage that will take time to heal.

35 posted on 05/27/2010 9:27:24 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Illegal is not a race, it is a crime)
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To: Hardraade

Naw. They sound like political prostitutes.


36 posted on 05/27/2010 9:29:34 AM PDT by SkipW
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To: Hardraade

Hell....I was wondering what Tribes they were from.


37 posted on 05/27/2010 9:30:26 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Neoliberalnot

The Stupid Burns.


38 posted on 05/27/2010 9:42:09 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

You and William F. Buckley, four words when one word, A**holes, will do.


39 posted on 05/27/2010 10:08:06 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We are an Oligarchy now and worse if we fail. TeaParty On...)
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To: Hardraade

The Tucson chief can produce some papers to satisfy me, please. His last name sure isn’t Norwegian or Irish.!!

IF these LEO’s don’t want to support the law & support the citizens who are paying them & who are victims of daily crinimal activity by illegal intruders-—
THEY CAN RESIGN.

LEAD-FOLLOW- OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY !!!!!

It is despicable that these Police Chiefs would even attend any such meeting.

There have to be ex-military persons who would make GREAT police department heads & who know what happens when you are thinking like a politico instead of a LEO.


40 posted on 05/27/2010 12:04:31 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Neoliberalnot

I propose the Western States of America:

Arizona
New Mexico
Texas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
S Dakota
N Dakota
Montana
Wyoming
Idaho
Colorado
Utah
Nevada
Alaska

These states have the most in common & are contiguous, except for Alaska.

They can drill for their own oil, gas, etc.

They can mine for coal, gold, silver & titanium, etc

They can build their own power plants for their own energy use

They can use their own water for irrigation for food instead of swimming pools in cities or smelt in the Delta instead of farming with the water.

They can fish their own waters & use the fish as they wish.

They can hunt for food.

They can grow their own gardens.

They can patrol their own borders & keep illegals & other undesirables out.

They can carry their firearms as they wish.

The “Castle Doctrine” will apply.

They can have their own judicial system & hand out serious sentences. They can stop the extended appeals—hand out the death penalty & do it with publicity.

They can manufacture their own firearms & ammo for their own use. Reloading will be allowed.

They can restore the 2nd amendment to it’s rightful status.

They can eliminate welfare & other handouts. Work or be gone. Sink or swim. NO room for slackers. Elderly not included in above, but they cannot drag down the system.

NO EPA or anything like it.

Gangs NOT allowed- dead is preferable—in an unmarked grave. Hang them in the public square- let them be there for a week or so to get the message across to others.

NO drugs other than truly medicinal ones. Meth lab? Kill the bastards. Grow MJ? Burn the crop with the growers at the middle of the pile. Dowse them with gasoline & use them for kindling. Pedophiles? Sex offenders? Hang them also.

You cannot have a useful society if they are infected with drugs.

They can print their own textbooks & get back to basics to raise EMPLOYABLE young adults.

They can run schools that teach the truth & stop teaching 4 year olds about sex education. Teach the three “R’s”.

Churches need to be legit—not any “Tony Alamo” types or any “Rev Wright” types nor “Rev Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton types”. NO reason for mosques- they are the enemy of the lifestyle these states would support.

There would be strict TERM LIMITS on all those who are running the states & the central government.

Judges must have common sense & experience.

NO ‘affirmative action” & the problems it brings. Pass the required tests & do the job. That includes the highest office of the central government.

All of these states have military bases, which can be used by the new Western States. Military persons wishing to come there will be welcome, after screening to ascertain their skills & patriotism.

No land being held & controlled by the Feds—Nevada land is over 85% controlled by the Feds- & not a single dime of taxes is paid.

Ranchers will be allowed to graze cattle & sheep on open range that is now controlled by the Feds. Such grazing is the earliest method to control wildfires. Animals graze out the “ground fuels”that feed into “ladder fuels”.

You can probably think of more items...

These states will need good LEO’s.
If this happens, perhaps you can move instead of living with a senator like Al Franken & the Liberals in the Twin Cities. I was raised in Wisconsin, and I am more than sad to see what has happened to Wis & Minn with all the Liberals & their feel good crap.

If you get a chance- find the paperback books at a used book store that are called “The Ashes Series”, written by W W Johnstone. About 25 books-
Read them in order as best you can —makes more sense.


41 posted on 05/27/2010 12:43:07 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ConservativeMind

Some of those comments came from the Police Chief of TUCSON—where the problem is really bad.

I would call for his firing already if I lived in Tucson.


42 posted on 05/27/2010 12:44:15 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Michael Barnes

So, in a nutshell, these Chiefs don’t want to do their sworn duty.””

Sure seems that way. They can resign, IMO.


43 posted on 05/27/2010 12:54:43 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: loveliberty2

I thought the quote was attributable to P T Barnum...


44 posted on 05/27/2010 12:56:09 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: tacticalogic

Apparently screwball Holder has been holding meetings with these bastards for some time now, long before this last most notorious session.
If the federal government is going to subvert the state police against the interest of their own state, how can it not end in either the practical destruction of the republic, or war?’

You are correct.

Apparently, these LEO’s are too stupid to realize that they re being used as pawns by Holder & NObama, the Kenyan in the Oval Office, who himself appears to be the biggest illegal.


45 posted on 05/27/2010 12:58:30 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ZULU

Its really sad that the first black President turned out to be such a loser.”

It is really sad that the first “affirmative action hiring-I will learn on the job” black President is such a narcissist liar every moment of every day. He spends every waking moment in front of the teleprompter.


46 posted on 05/27/2010 1:00:54 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

Excellent ideas. I would add several southern states to the list including S. Carolina, Alabama, MS, TN, LA &AK. This will be no place for slackers, but those not capable of taking care must have their families support them or if not, the community would come to their aid. I will check into the books.


47 posted on 05/27/2010 1:48:03 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: ridesthemiles

Yup.


48 posted on 05/27/2010 6:25:45 PM PDT by ZULU
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