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Experts say: George Washington's honesty a sign of stupidity
American Thinker ^ | 05/27/2010 | Peter Wilson

Posted on 05/27/2010 9:45:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

It is no secret that many of us who reject Obama's neo-communist agenda have turned to the Founding Fathers for guidance; when you think your country's founding principles are under attack, it's natural to re-acquaint yourself with the writings of the extraordinary group of men who wrote our founding documents.  

When we examine this genius cluster, George Washington is perhaps the best loved.  Last week Glenn Beck recommended the four-year old, 1208-page tome, George Washington's Sacred Fire, which discusses pop culture fave topics like the religious beliefs of our first President.  The book shot to number one on Amazon's bestseller list.  It has recently been bumped to #2 by an R-rated Swedish detective series.

It was therefore understandable that a Boston Globe editorial felt the need to compare Washington and Jefferson unfavorably to...Bill Clinton.

George Washington's parents no doubt took pride in his childhood honesty, but therein may lie the reason he was among the least intellectual of the Founding Fathers. A Canadian study last week declared that children who lie are actually showing their mental acuity and creativity. "Parents should not be alarmed if their child tells a fib,'' Kang Lee, director of the Institute of Child Study at the University of Toronto, told the Telegraph of London. In fact, children who are making things up at age 2 have fast-developing brains, which portend greater intellectual achievements. Thomas Jefferson, whose genius sometimes led him down a twisty path around the truth, may have been an example. So might his mentally agile successor, William Jefferson Clinton. As for Washington - perhaps there's a new explanation for why he confessed, in the great Parson Weems legend, to chopping down the cherry tree: Maybe young George just couldn't come up with a good enough cover story.

It's amazing how many wrong ideas can be crammed into one short piece of writing: The "I cannot tell a lie" fable about the cherry tree proves that 10-year old George Washington was a bit of a dim bulb, while Bill Clinton's lies offer evidence that he is "mentally agile"?   I didn't realize that Clinton was President at age 2.

As for the second most loved Founding Father, did you know that Thomas Jefferson was a liar who sometimes followed "twisty paths around the truth"?  Apparently it's such common knowledge that no further explanation is required. 



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bostonglobe; georgewashington; godsgravesglyphs; honesty; leftuniverse; liberalfascism; stupidity; thegeneral; therevolution

1 posted on 05/27/2010 9:45:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, every time I tried to show my imagination and mental acuity, my parents whooped me.

I was very stupid after a while.


2 posted on 05/27/2010 9:46:47 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (This nation, of the people, by the people, and for the people has perished from the land.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In children, the ability to lie may show mental acuity.
In adults, it simply shows their character.


3 posted on 05/27/2010 9:49:32 AM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I've never understood why so many Leftists think that Obama is brilliant -- but perhaps this explains the situation. Obama is a conniving, dishonest, corrupt SOB. To a Leftist, that means he's really, really smart.

Working hard and being productive is for suckas!

4 posted on 05/27/2010 9:49:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: SeekAndFind

Honesty = Stupidity.

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In other liberal, counterculture news:

The sky is green.

Up is down.

Black is white.

And the perennial favorite: Bad is good, while good is bad.


5 posted on 05/27/2010 9:50:33 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: SeekAndFind

So liars are the most intelligent people now. It never ends with these libs. They are just trying to make themselves look intelligent because that’s all they do... lie.


6 posted on 05/27/2010 9:52:11 AM PDT by mtg
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To: SeekAndFind
Who but a fool would cross the Delaware in a snowstorm? Somebody with a boatload of guts, for starters. Who would leave people tending the campfires to convince the enemy that he was still a sitting duck, with an ice floe choked river preventing his retreat? Someone with a boatload of brains.

Someone remind me...who won the Revolutionary War?

7 posted on 05/27/2010 9:53:06 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: Vermont Lt

People of good moral standing have no reason to lie.


8 posted on 05/27/2010 9:53:41 AM PDT by derllak
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To: mtg

If there is any consistent belief between all the liberals, it is that they consider themselves to be the smarter people.


9 posted on 05/27/2010 9:53:56 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Racial Profiling: Anti-Caucasian Racism hidden under a politically correct term)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Editor of the Boston Globe needs a “blanket party” thrown is his honor. What a incorrigible cadre of jackasses these “experts” truly are. If this is not Orwellian, then nothing is.


10 posted on 05/27/2010 9:54:13 AM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: EyeGuy
Honesty = Stupidity.

When I look at my paystub and add things up, they may have a point. Maybe not stupid, exactly, but certainly a chump.

11 posted on 05/27/2010 9:54:13 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Funny how such a “stupid” guy was able to pull together a bunch of farmers and defeat the mighty British army.


12 posted on 05/27/2010 9:55:33 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually telling the truth is easy.

You don’t have to remember the last lie you told.


13 posted on 05/27/2010 9:57:29 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democrat Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I've never understood why so many Leftists think that Obama is brilliant...

All of these radical left, self-described "intellectuals" think they're 'mentally superior' to the rest of the population...

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14 posted on 05/27/2010 9:59:08 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: SeekAndFind
How perverted it this ... to tell lies is a sign of intelligence???????

How wrong can anyone be? What about character? It was plain to see Bill Clinton had no true character; truth, loyalty, honesty, steadfastness, bravery,love of God, right and wrong, morals, ... He demonstrated daily all is fair in love and war, if you can get away with it.

God help America, cast out the ones that desire to bring America down to a third world nation and make themselves rich, and supreme over the people, in the name of Jesus I pray, amen.

15 posted on 05/27/2010 10:00:00 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Experts' opinion is not a sign of intelligence, IMO.

Maybe the cherry tree legend was a stretch, but honesty had great value back 200 years ago. It was a small world so everyone knew your reputation. You could be challenged to a duel over a false word.

George Washington didn't have a friendly media running interference for him and making up excuses. The truth is easier to to recall than lies delivered on a teleprompter.

16 posted on 05/27/2010 10:01:28 AM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“I didn’t realize that Clinton was President at age 2.”

Turn it around. I believe the author (albeit not intentionally) is implying that Clinton behaved like a 2 year old in office. Given that the “terrible twos” often entail narcissism, impatience and little regard for the needs/feelings of others, I would say that’s not far from the mark.


17 posted on 05/27/2010 10:02:48 AM PDT by DrC
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To: SeekAndFind

>> A Canadian study last week declared that children who lie are actually showing their mental acuity and creativity.

Do studies lie?

How intelligent must a liar be to avoid being caught in a lie?


18 posted on 05/27/2010 10:03:01 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess being a liar makes Obama a genius?


19 posted on 05/27/2010 10:04:50 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: SeekAndFind

I think it is very fitting to compare a 2 year old to bill clinton to show how much MORE mature and responsible the 2 year old was.

That aside, the idea that lying shows intelligence and that honesty is for saps is right out of the Nietzche playbook and subsequently the hitler playbook as he admired Nietzche so much and thought such things as honesty, integrity, compassion, forgiveness, and love were for weaklings. This is why Hitler hated Christ.

We are truly seeing aa resurgence of Nazi thinking these days.


20 posted on 05/27/2010 10:05:01 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (END THE WAR ON LIBERTY!)
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To: SeekAndFind

George Washington was certainly capable of telling a lie and coming up with imaginative stories to further his cause. He was one the most effective spymasters in our history.


21 posted on 05/27/2010 10:06:00 AM PDT by metalcor
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To: SeekAndFind

I bet the author’s a really smart guy. Which means you can’t believe a damn thing he says.


22 posted on 05/27/2010 10:08:11 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Another new low.

Washington is the model of what a stong man should be. Same can’t be said for Clinton or Obama.

But at least they are mentally agile.


23 posted on 05/27/2010 10:11:28 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: geologist
How perverted it this ... to tell lies is a sign of intelligence??

These "experts" must not be married. (The Clintons' excluded. I think they had an open marriage. Hillery knew what to expect and she was was fine with it all if she didn't get dragged down.)

24 posted on 05/27/2010 10:14:04 AM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: SeekAndFind; thefactor; SunkenCiv; aculeus; neverdem
First, most serious historians do not believe that the cherry tree incident ever occurred; Parson Weems came out with the first bio of The General, and...how shall we say...embellished things a bit.

Second, young George would have been sent to England for his education as his two older half-brothers had been, had his father not died when the lad was 10 years old. He then stayed at the Ferry Farm (across the Rapahannock from Fredericksburg, VA) with his mother who then ran the late Augustine's business (mines, a foundry, but mainly farms). However, he was taught by a traveling Jesuit priest in F'burg and learnt his lessons well.

At the time, much land had to be surveyed and thus surveyors were an important profession (think of it as equal to a software engineer of today). Washington passed the certification at the age of 16, and was examined at the College of William and Mary.

Washington was not a great orator, as it has been said he was very self-conscious about the sorry state of his teeth. He was an excellent writer, as can be seen through the volumes of his papers that today exist.

Aside from being a surveyor, he was a skilled draftsman and drew up the first plan for Alexandria, VA. He was extremely creative and strategic in fighting the battles of the RevWar, and ran a brilliant and large spy ring throught the war.

And as a gentleman farmer (and he got down in the dirt, too) he FAR surpassed Jefferson; Washington was one of the very first to rotate crops and decrease his reliance on tobacco. He was a bright businessman and built a still and fished the rivers for profit.

Finally, do the geniuses in Boston believe that their homeboy bright star John Adams would have picked anyone slow-witted and/or ignorant to head up the Continental Army? These editorialists are disgusting leftist revisionists and beyond contempt.

Your OBdt. Svt.
P_____y

25 posted on 05/27/2010 10:15:22 AM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe next they will call Washington a fool for not declaring himself King when other people wanted him to become one after the revolutionary war.


26 posted on 05/27/2010 10:17:34 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: ETL
Funny how such a “stupid” guy was able to pull together a bunch of farmers and defeat the mighty British army.

Very well said.

27 posted on 05/27/2010 10:18:34 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (my former tagline "We can, and we will prevail" doesn't fit with the usurper's goals.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, alcoholics and druggies (who are notoriously chronic liars either to get their next jolt, or to cover up their cheating, stealing, and previous lies in order to to get their previous jolts) must be super-geniuses.

Same go for pedophiles?

And illegal Aliens, too?

Only dim-bulbs follow rules, obey laws, and are honest.

Got it!


28 posted on 05/27/2010 10:19:05 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: Pharmboy

BoGlo is owned lock-stock-and-barrel by New York Times Company.

‘nuff said.


29 posted on 05/27/2010 10:24:24 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: SeekAndFind

lying=good
kill unborn babies=good
stealing=good
envy=good

Just the new universally accepted code of ethics.


30 posted on 05/27/2010 10:27:01 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (Where is the Black Regiment?)
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To: SeekAndFind
How seriously can we possibly take this? Here we have a bit of two-penny psychoanalysis based on a fictional incident used in place of a serious consideration of Washington's voluminous papers written as an adult? It isn't even serious as a joke.

The broader question from the point of view of historiography is, why speculate when you can actually find out? The answer, I'm afraid, is that speculation can support The Narrative where the evidence does not. That isn't pretty.

31 posted on 05/27/2010 10:39:11 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SeekAndFind
did you know that Thomas Jefferson was a liar who sometimes followed "twisty paths around the truth"?

Well, this part is more or less true. TJ was much inferior to Washington in character. But then most people then and now are.

32 posted on 05/27/2010 10:42:45 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (When buying and selling are legislated, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pure intelligence and leadership are two entirely different things.

We have developed a cult of intelligence in the US. It has become a strange form of royalty.” We are intelligent, so we should be able to run the country in a near-dictatorship.”

When you listen to them talk about it, it sounds like, “The people who oppose us are ignorant and don’t even know that what we are doing is in their best interest.”

Washington, on the other hand, represents the best American traditions of leadership. He lead the army to victory, then went home. He was president, then refused to be made king or lifetime leader. Even though Washington clearly knew that there were areas where the nation could be improved, he willingly accepted the idea that he was not in king, just a good steward of his nation’s future.


33 posted on 05/27/2010 10:42:55 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess in liberal lalla land truth if a sign of stupidity? What silly pathetic beings they all are.


34 posted on 05/27/2010 10:44:00 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s no wonder they disapprove of Scouting:

A Scout is:

* Trustworthy,
* Loyal,
* Helpful,
* Friendly,
* Courteous,
* Kind,
* Obedient,
* Cheerful,
* Thrifty,
* Brave,
* Clean,
* and Reverent.

You might as well just say it straight out: By liberal standards, a Scout is stupid. All my kids meet this “stupid” standard, and I’m proud of having raised such dumb children.


35 posted on 05/27/2010 10:51:12 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SeekAndFind
Experts say: George Washington's honesty a sign of stupidity

Over the years I've found that most "experts" usually aren't, and those that purport to be "experts", usually are like children seeking attention.

36 posted on 05/27/2010 10:53:49 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The 0bama regime represents an "Clear and Present Danger" to the US - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: SeekAndFind
Washington was no intellectual (thank goodness!). If not for his bravery and leadership at Monmouth Court House the Americans would have been routed by the redcoats.
I'll follow brave leadership over good liars every time.
37 posted on 05/27/2010 10:58:53 AM PDT by phredo53 (Caution: This post does not comply with White House standards.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Over the years I've found that most "experts" usually aren't

Reminds me of an interview Tom Brokaw done with an 'expert' on a certain disease. Brokaw said "Very little is known about this disease but we have Dr. _____ , an expert on this illness to tell us about it."
If very little is known then how can anyone be an 'expert'?

38 posted on 05/27/2010 11:09:11 AM PDT by phredo53 (Caution: This post does not comply with White House standards.)
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To: phredo53
If very little is known then how can anyone be an 'expert'?

Excellent question. If the MSM puts someone up as an 'expert', that means they probably know less than the average guy on the street, and if it's for some lib cause, they won't let facts stand in their way.

39 posted on 05/27/2010 11:30:20 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The 0bama regime represents an "Clear and Present Danger" to the US - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: SeekAndFind

Right. This guy reminds me of my BIL. He says spenders are more capable with money than savers are, because they know many things to do with money, whereas savers only know how to do one thing with money-save it.

Pearls of wisdom from the guy who’s been mooching off his family and friends for the last 35 years and has never managed to hold a job.


40 posted on 05/27/2010 11:44:49 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: SeekAndFind

The fable that Bill Clinton was a smart man is absolutely false:
1. He married Hillary
2. He pick Al Gore as his VP.
3. He was the most powerful man in the world and could not get a BJ in the oval office without the whole world finding out about it.
4. Add your own reasons here.


41 posted on 05/27/2010 1:32:15 PM PDT by ontap
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To: Pharmboy

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42 posted on 05/28/2010 5:09:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I've never understood why so many Leftists think that Obama is brilliant

I think you can say he is "brilliant", because he can pool the wool over them. We on the other side have seen through him right from the beginning and seen right away that is is nothing but an empty suit who likes to talk a lot, without saying anything

43 posted on 11/24/2010 4:56:17 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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