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South Korea deploys troops in border zone to ‘punish’ North
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Posted on 05/27/2010 5:05:10 PM PDT by jhpigott

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To: richardtavor

I had a friend from college who served two years in Korea at the DMZ in the early 1980’s. He told me that his time there consisted of hours of sheer boredom mixed in with some moments of absolute terror. According to him, there were firefights with the North that were never reported in the press.


51 posted on 05/27/2010 6:13:51 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: richardtavor

Here’s an idea: We pull our troops out and use the saved money to cut some of the deficit. They defend themselves. Any of our advanced weapons they need they can buy from us for cold, hard cash.


52 posted on 05/27/2010 6:14:34 PM PDT by LittleMoe
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To: jhpigott
Does the West, NATO, the Allies, the UN whatever pump democratic propaganda into North Korea,
Air drop transistor radio's, Pirate radio, leaflets, food onto their brainwashed population?

Or would that be construed as an act of war from SK?

53 posted on 05/27/2010 6:15:26 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: IrishCatholic
I wonder which side our administration will back.

Whichever side China tells him to back. Clueless, gutless, capitulating pigs like 0 are very dangerous. They tend to continually cave and then snap and over react.

54 posted on 05/27/2010 6:21:18 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: JimSEA
" Great answer. Might I add that we have troops in Korea in the now forlorn hope of keeping China and Russia on the sidelines in the event of just this sort of situation. "

Out of sight, but, not out of mind are the nuclear subs under the sea to keep them wondering if they are pointed at them....
55 posted on 05/27/2010 6:21:26 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: COBOL2Java

Yes i know it’s tough being the president.

I know that cause he told me 97 times in between his deseved vacations.


56 posted on 05/27/2010 6:21:36 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: mowowie

Somebdy feerin ronery.


57 posted on 05/27/2010 6:23:43 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: JimSEA

CHANGE... is comin’ to the Korean peninsula.


58 posted on 05/27/2010 6:24:44 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: ichabod1
IOW, he already blinked.

Blinked?! Hell he's hiding his face behind his hands like a teenage girl at a horror movie.

59 posted on 05/27/2010 6:24:59 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: ichabod1

You nailed it. It disgusts me that the obamanation has probably given orders that will prevent our troops from aggressively defending even themselves.

The real players right now are North Korea, South Korea, China, and Japan.

If/when we see Japan move to a war footing, then it’s on.

China is the wildcard. They don’t want a war, but they can’t be seen as weak against South Korea and Japan. (If the US had real leadership, they could take cover under the threat of effective US action, but we don’t so they can’t.)

China’s only out is a covert pre-emptive decapitation of the Nork leadership, which they will then blams on someone else. But only diplomatically.

Kim Jong Ill knows this, hence the deployment of Nork troops and missiles on the border with China.

This is going to get bad.


60 posted on 05/27/2010 6:26:06 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: jhpigott
You think S. Korea mobilizing forces to the DMZ is going to lessen tensions and ease the crisis?

I don't have strong feelings whether the current SK mobilization orchestration will either heighten OR lessen current tensions.

OK I conceed that it will instead *marginally* escalate the level of REAL underlying tensions. It will, however substantially agitate the concerns of young people, Americans, and people generally unfamiliar with North Kore --sure.

Ford makes cars, Oompa Loompahs make chocolate, and L'il Kim makes....anxiety. He clocks in, makes others scared, and gets PAID for that.

Whadda we see here? Kim with his lunch pail, strolling to work --have no doubt, WE WILL PAY HIM. If you do doubt it, HE DOES NOT.

The horrifying truth is that Kim knows our the SK/USA gov'ts BETTER than WE know them.

Bailouts are more in fashion now than ever, and Kim is the consumate BailMeOuter, strolling in high fashion.

CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS = NEWSWORTHY, BUT NO SUSTAINED WAR.

The sick feeling dawning on you is the TRUTH.

61 posted on 05/27/2010 6:26:20 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: ichabod1

I never liked Change.....


62 posted on 05/27/2010 6:26:28 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: jhpigott

The Chinese are testing Obama’s weak points to see where the weak points are..... the Chinese can rein Kim Gone Ill in if they wanted to, besides, they got a lot to lose in a all out war with us....


63 posted on 05/27/2010 6:26:42 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Doe Eyes

70% of NK GDP goes to their military.


64 posted on 05/27/2010 6:29:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: gaijin

Good points. At the end of the day, he is just looking for a handhout. Why not? He always got them in the past through brinksmanship. Plus he has fully sized up Obama and he knows the US has the weakest president in its 240 year history, so why not shake us down and jack us around to get the goodies?


65 posted on 05/27/2010 6:29:53 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If war comes, it will be because Obama was perceived, and rightly so, by our deadly enemies, as WEAK)
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To: COBOL2Java
" The Chicomms have already taken the measure of the man and found him wanting. "

The Chinese must be laughing at him that he pee'd his pants, as in ? " we weed up " ...

You don't bring incompetence to a battle field..... I am sure the Obama voters are feeling really secure today... NOT !!!
66 posted on 05/27/2010 6:30:32 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Yosemitest

“Do you have any ideal how much destruction can be done,
flying 4 fighter jets, 1 mile apart, line abreast, at mach 1.5 or better, when crossing the border.”

I spent some time there at Kunsan which had 2 F16 squadrons. Once saw about 34 F16s on the runway lined up four abreast and took off in pairs. They did a mock airbase attack dropping flares. It was awe inspiring.

With that in mind we were once warned the NKs were massed at the border and to expect 75% causalities. They have extensive bio and chem weapons and the scuds to deliver it.


67 posted on 05/27/2010 6:32:44 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: COBOL2Java
I don't question the competence of our leaders in our military, I question the competence of the civilian leadership.. and yes, you are right, the Chinese have found them wanting, and must be laughing at us right now..
68 posted on 05/27/2010 6:32:48 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: mowowie

“The brainiacs in NK obviously have some type of diabolical plan cooked up.”

Yes, stir things up and hopefully get some money from the UN. There are probably also internal power struggles for who is going to replace Chia head.


69 posted on 05/27/2010 6:35:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: richardtavor
" and that the South Koreans biggest fear was that the Americans would bug out. "

Gee, I wonder where they got that from ? it's ironic that a lot of foreign countries where for Obama during the election, and now ? they are in fear when the rubber meets the road,,, I guess buyer's remorse is setting in...
70 posted on 05/27/2010 6:35:26 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: piytar
China’s only out is a covert pre-emptive decapitation of the Nork leadership, which they will then blams on someone else. But only diplomatically.

That idea has a lot of merit! I like it.

71 posted on 05/27/2010 6:35:43 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: American Constitutionalist

I honestly think the Kim Gone Soon has lost it, and he’s no longer even marginally under China’s control. He actually believes his own propaganda (kind of like the obamanation).

He is quickly becoming as much of a problem for China as he is for South Korea. That is an insane mistake. A literally insane mistake.


72 posted on 05/27/2010 6:40:48 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: jhpigott

When I was there it was fairly calm for the most part. One of the SK guards fell asleep at the ammo dump and was caught by his Lt. Didn’t even wake him up, just shot him right there.

I’d imagine things are a bit more tense now.


73 posted on 05/27/2010 6:41:11 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Hexenhammer
Anything the liberals do is " BAD POLICY " and it's not by accident either...


This quote is so true : Political Correctness : a doctrine which holds forth the proposition that it's entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end ...
74 posted on 05/27/2010 6:41:17 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: driftdiver
You need to dress up your FR homepage.

Kunsan AB ROK, June 88 thru July 89, I've been there and done that.

I've worked "elephant walks" and much, much more interesting real-world incidents.

Know you this, under Reagan, and Bush (both copies), whatever NPRK was capable of,
Kunsan could tripple and keep up the flow for 90 days non-stop.
Nukes are just a C-141 or C-17 ride away.

But under the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF, who knows what HELL that FACSIST will put them thru.

75 posted on 05/27/2010 6:45:52 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: piytar
KIM GONE ILL's Swan Song
He knows he does not have much time left, so he might as well make a huge spectacle of if while he can..
76 posted on 05/27/2010 6:46:13 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: COBOL2Java

“The Chicomms have already taken the measure of the man and found him wanting. “

The bowing to them probably didn’t help.


77 posted on 05/27/2010 6:47:53 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: AmericanInTokyo
" Good points. At the end of the day, he is just looking for a handhout. Why not? He always got them in the past through brinksmanship. Plus he has fully sized up Obama and he knows the US has the weakest president in its 240 year history, so why not shake us down and jack us around to get the goodies?"

He learned it from the pro, Jessie Jackson ( the ShakeDown pro hoe ) ... he must have gotten the course on : 101 how to shakedown free money like a shakedown pro hoe... by Jessie Jackson ... ) ....
78 posted on 05/27/2010 6:51:42 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

War will break out.


79 posted on 05/27/2010 6:52:23 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: jhpigott

I would thinkthe ROK is calling up reserves. Drafting more men now is doubtful. How long to effectively train a new cohort?


80 posted on 05/27/2010 6:53:14 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Never compromise with evil! Even in the face of Armageddon!! Rorshach)
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To: American Constitutionalist

When a man focused EXCLUSIVELY on substance meets a man focused EXCLUSIVELY on imagery, a money transfer occurs:

The amount is secret for a long time but much later is revaled to have been VERRRRRY LARGE.


81 posted on 05/27/2010 6:54:34 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: driftdiver

Thanks for your observations. I’ve always been under the impression that the thousands of artillery tubes in the North which are aimed at Seoul - only 35 miles away - would wreak incredible death and destruction. And, that’s not counting the WMD potential as noted by many others. So, is the SoKor govt willing to accept horrific casualties and devastation of its capitol and major population center? From far away, my impression is that they’re caught it in a huge trap and Lil Kim can really poke and provoke to his heart’s content. All the incredible weaponry that we and the SoKors have would certainly lead to eventual victory in an all-out shooting war. But, is anyone there making the calculation that this truly pyrrhic victory would be worth the incredible cost?
I would be most interested in our Asian Freepers’ take on this incredibly dangerous predicament.


82 posted on 05/27/2010 6:57:22 PM PDT by nuvista (Obama-care - you think that arrogant Marxist "cares" about you?)
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To: Yosemitest

“Nukes are just a C-141 or C-17 ride away. “

Not even that far.

My first Friday night there was during Team Spirit and they dropped 400 paratroopers on base to act as aggressors.

Hopefully they will be able to see when the missles are being loaded. If they don’t find out until launch they’ll have 20-30 minutes at most.


83 posted on 05/27/2010 7:05:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Yosemitest

“You need to dress up your FR homepage. “

I kinda like being anonymous.


84 posted on 05/27/2010 7:06:37 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jhpigott

This is not good, it’s the way war starts.
One thing we do know, once it starts, no telling
where it will end.


85 posted on 05/27/2010 7:07:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: piytar

YEah, pre-emptive decapitations are kind of a pipe dream. Like the people before Iraq who would say, why send an army when one bullet will do the trick. Well, the problem is getting him in your sights, and then knowing whether it’s the real Kim standing up or a doppelganger. These dictators don’t get where they are by standing around where somebody can get a shot at him. So, you have to buy off the palace guard. Certainly possible, but maybe not so easy.


86 posted on 05/27/2010 7:11:08 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: nuvista

“So, is the SoKor govt willing to accept horrific casualties and devastation of its capitol and major population center? “

Willing? Not sure that really enters into the picture. They are pretty much resigned that the North is psycho and Chia is planning to go out in a blaze of glory.

I have close contacts there and they have basically resigned themselves that sooner or later there will be a war. A war with massive casualties.


87 posted on 05/27/2010 7:11:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: LittleMoe
Here’s an idea: We pull our troops out and use the saved money to cut some of the deficit. They defend themselves. Any of our advanced weapons they need they can buy from us for cold, hard cash.

After that we can have a party, shred the Constitution, and piss on the rest of our allies. Sounds like a plan to me. A bad one, but a plan nonetheless...

In a world where we have an apologist in chief squatting the oval office - do we really need short sighted isolationists defeding the apologizer?

88 posted on 05/27/2010 7:18:17 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: omega4179
2 Golf Games in 2 weeks
Memorial Day vacation instead of Arlington
Shuttle program cancelled
F-35 alternate engine cancelled
Australian vacation planned for June.

Can we add "taking a slow boat from Australia to Indonesia and permanently staying at home there"?


89 posted on 05/27/2010 7:22:50 PM PDT by magooey (then - NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!, now - NO DATA! NO WARMING!)
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To: Deo volente

“According to him, there were firefights with the North that were never reported in the press.”

Happens quite frequently.


90 posted on 05/27/2010 7:23:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: pollywog

If they are there for the military there is a good chance they will be evacuated before the hostilities start, unless he’s active duty of course. Probably to Japan.


91 posted on 05/27/2010 7:24:34 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: gaijin

I’m very familar with Kim’s game of blackmail . . . and he may very well get what he is looking for in the end - more aid. But what I don’t think he bargained for this go around is that Pres Lee is pushing back harder than past SK administrations. That doesn’t mean SK won’t eventually roll over for Kim, but in the meantime things are escalating and all it takes is for one local commander on either side of the border to do something stupid . . . and things will sprial out of control


92 posted on 05/27/2010 7:25:43 PM PDT by jhpigott
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To: ichabod1

Good points. One big difference, though: North Korea is a client-state of China. You can be they have the Norks thoroughly infiltrated...


93 posted on 05/27/2010 7:36:41 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: jhpigott

Bump


94 posted on 05/27/2010 7:39:23 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: piytar

Well said. The man is a megalomaniac, along with a few other psychological disorders. This is well known among psychologists who study leaders like Kim-Jong. The many hypotheses made by freepers can be thrown out the window. There are no good equations to fit a megalomaniac that is not only dying physically, but politically as well. My guess is that China, South Korea, Japan and the United States all have sweaty palms at this point.


95 posted on 05/27/2010 7:40:34 PM PDT by Redbird1564
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To: driftdiver
One of the SK guards fell asleep at the ammo dump and was caught by his Lt. Didn’t even wake him up, just shot him right there.

D--n!

96 posted on 05/27/2010 8:04:53 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: driftdiver

he was in the military and now works for the military as a civilian on the planes.
I worry about them being there.


97 posted on 05/27/2010 9:17:16 PM PDT by pollywog ("Under His Wings".........Psalm 91:4)
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To: piytar

It disgusts me that the obamanation has probably given orders that will prevent our troops from aggressively defending even themselves.


I think some Generals and Admirals will tell 0bama to kiss their asses.


98 posted on 05/27/2010 9:41:12 PM PDT by unkus
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To: IrishCatholic

I wonder which side our administration will back.


This *Regime* will back whoever seems to be winning.


99 posted on 05/27/2010 9:42:30 PM PDT by unkus
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To: driftdiver

70% of NK GDP goes to their military.


And about 25% of the remaining 30% goes to the evil Kim.


100 posted on 05/27/2010 9:45:21 PM PDT by unkus
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