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Democrats’ War Funding Amendment Would Allow Homosexuals to Serve in Military
CNSNews ^ | May 28, 2010 | Matt Cover

Posted on 05/28/2010 10:56:55 AM PDT by jazusamo

(CNSNews.com) – Democrats in the both the House and Senate are trying to amend the 2011 war funding bill to allow gays, lesbians, and bisexuals to serve in the military, a move opposed by the heads of all four branches of the armed services.
 
The amendments are being sold as a compromise between homosexual activists, their congressional allies, and defenders of the military who support the current ban on homosexual service.
 
The proposal would not allow gays, lesbians, and bisexuals to serve immediately but would delay their entry until the Defense Department completes its policy review in December. Originally, that review was to decide whether or not the military agreed that accepting gays, lesbians, and bisexuals would not harm readiness or unit cohesion.
 
Currently, it is against federal law for homosexuals to serve in the military. That law, Public Law 654, states that “homosexuality is incompatible with military service” and stipulates that any military personnel who violate the policy receive a discharge.
 
The amendment, sponsored by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and in the House by Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-Pa.) would repeal the ban on homosexual service 60 days after completion of the Defense Department review.
 
If adopted, the amendment would also allow homosexuals to marry other homosexuals while in the military as well as allowing any soldier to engage in homosexual acts.
 
The policy is opposed by the heads of each of the four branches of the military, each of whom testified against repealing the ban in February 2010. Each of the four service chiefs has also reiterated their displeasure in individual letters to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).
 
Each of the four flag officers wrote that the military should be allowed to complete its policy review before Congress attempts to repeal the ban. Doing otherwise – each commander states – would make individual service members feel as if their views and opinions do not matter to congressional leaders.
 
“My views on repeal of [don’t ask, don’t tell] have not changed since my testimony,” Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey wrote. “I remain convinced that it is critically important to get a better understanding of where our Soldiers and Families are on this issue,” he added.
 
Adm. George Roughead, chief of Naval Operations, emphasized that repealing the ban without first finding out if the military actually wanted it repealed would send a negative message to soldiers and sailors.
 
“My concern is that legislative changes at this point, regardless of the precise language used, may cause confusion on the status of the law in the Fleet and disrupt the review process itself by leading Sailors to question whether their input matters,” he said.
 
“[T]he value of surveying the thoughts of Marines and their families is that it signals to my Marines that their opinions matter,” Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James T. Conway wrote. “Collectively, we must make logical and pragmatic decisions about the long-term policies of our Armed Forces – which so effectively defend this great Nation.”
 
While the prohibition is a pet cause of homosexual activists, who view it as a major step to broad social acceptance of homosexual behavior in society, it is not a major issue for the military.
 
According to information reported by the Congressional Research Service and the Defense Department newspaper Stars and Stripes, discharges for homosexuality make up only a very small fraction of total discharges, meaning that far more service members are discharged for criminal and other offenses than for homosexuality.
 
In fact, discharges for homosexuality accounted for a mere 0.004 percent of all discharges in 2008. There were only 634 people discharged for homosexuality out of a total of 157,984 total discharges in 2008.
 
In fact, despite maintaining an active-duty force numbering well over 1 million personnel, discharges for homosexuality have never been more than 2,000 in any given year since 1980, according to CRS.
 
Reports of so-called witch-hunts, a charge often made by homosexual activists, have also been found to be false. According to CRS, the Defense Department found that the “vast majority” of discharges for homosexuality occurred because a service member voluntarily disclosed that he or she was gay, not because the military had conducted any sort of investigation into their conduct.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; dadt; defensespending; democrats; dontaskdonttell; homosexualagenda; lieberman; murphy

1 posted on 05/28/2010 10:56:55 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

How is this a “compromise” if they get everything (and more than allowed in the private world by allowing marraige!) they want?


2 posted on 05/28/2010 11:04:27 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

It’s no compromise, the RATS are giving the gay and lesbian activists everything they want.


3 posted on 05/28/2010 11:08:04 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

“Democrats’ War Funding Amendment Would Allow Homosexuals to Serve in Military”

Homosexuals are already allowed to serve in the military. That’s what “don’t ask” is all about. The headline ought to say “openly,” but doesn’t, no doubt intending to confuse stupid people, per usual.


4 posted on 05/28/2010 11:08:25 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: jazusamo

Can anyone explain just how many gay guys have always longed to storm a Taliban stronghold, yelling and hurling grenades?

I thought so......


5 posted on 05/28/2010 11:11:22 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: jazusamo

Where is the transgendered?


6 posted on 05/28/2010 11:14:57 AM PDT by edcoil (Kingdoms have never survived. Don't let any new ones be formed.)
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To: autumnraine; All
"How is this a “compromise” if they get everything (and more than allowed in the private world by allowing marraige!) they want?"

Gay Monopoly

7 posted on 05/28/2010 11:15:43 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: proxy_user; All
"Can anyone explain just how many gay guys have always longed to storm a Taliban stronghold, yelling and hurling grenades?"

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8 posted on 05/28/2010 11:17:41 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: jazusamo

What is next for the Rats??? Pedophiles and child molesters?


9 posted on 05/28/2010 11:19:09 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: jazusamo; All

FWIW,IMHO, THIS is why the gays want DADT overturned.

The gays are not “legitimate” in the eyes of the Federal Gov’t.

Anybody ever see the movie “Miracle On 34th Street”? A man claims to be Santa Claus and is taken to court to prove he IS the “legitimate” Santa Claus.

His lawyer wins the case by providing THOUSANDS of USPS letters addressed to Santa Claus. If the USPS, a branch of the Federal Gov’t recognizes that Santa exists, then Santa is “legitimate”.

Once the US Military ( a branch of the Federal Gov’t ) recognizes gays as “legitimate”, they can then use that to gain the “legal equal treatment” from local, state, and Federal Gov’t’s they seem to think they are now denied.

Once the Military of the US Gov’t puts their “stamp of approval” on them, it’s “Game-Set-Match” as far as ever stopping their agenda.

It’s a “back door way” of gaining legitimacy, but they just might pull it off.


10 posted on 05/28/2010 11:20:10 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: edcoil

That’ll come soon enough. Can you imagine what the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs will be saying when Bethesda and Walter Reed offer that surgery?


11 posted on 05/28/2010 11:21:04 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

This should only be voted on my Congressional members who served in the military. Others should recuse themselves.


12 posted on 05/28/2010 11:21:26 AM PDT by ex-snook ("You will know they are Christians by their love.")
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To: musicman

You make a good point as pathetic as it is.


13 posted on 05/28/2010 11:23:08 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

The SAPRO report on sexual assault in the military shows that Homosexuals are 3+x more likely given their small military population to comitt sexual assault than the general service population. Most DADT discharges are directly related to inappropriate sexual advances and behavior. The media us feeding the public well crafted lies on the innocuous nature of homosexual service.


14 posted on 05/28/2010 11:24:02 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Tyranny thrives when the people are silent.)
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To: Tublecane
"The headline ought to say “openly,” "

That means they can then tell everyone they are available for gay sex.

15 posted on 05/28/2010 11:25:22 AM PDT by ex-snook ("You will know they are Christians by their love.")
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To: jazusamo; autumnraine; proxy_user; Cheetahcat

Here is my last letter to the editor.

Regarding Congressional legislation to scrap “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”, advocates rely for foundational credibility on the 1973 decision by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to remove homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). However, concurrently and subsequently, no papers were presented refuting research previously done.

After this unsubstantiated decision, a new task force ensured perpetual sanctity for the APA action. The task force set standards for peer review of articles to dictate appropriate flexibility in design definitions, outcomes, and analytical models. No research papers would again arise to confirm initial therapy success rates of 30% to 60 %, which substantiated other research that 7 of 10 homosexuals could eventually walk away from the lifestyle forever.

Psychology and Psychiatry have chosen to abandon all pretense of scientific rigor in exchange for popular societal and political acclaim. In Genesis 3:23-24 the Lord God banished humanity from the Garden of Eden and placed an angel before the Garden to keep humanity away forever. By their actions, Psychology and Psychiatry appear content to keep science away from their own Garden of Eden.

Base antidotal prattle dominates the current debate, because these two disciplines cannot examine whether any mental disorders are acceptable for people seeking or retaining military service. In such an environment, there is little chance Congress will focus on the primary principle that military service should always be the ultimate meritocracy. There can be no compromises in struggles to defeat enemies unconcerned with social engineering.


16 posted on 05/28/2010 11:25:40 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Maelstorm

Agreed, and the leftist enemedia will be triumphant when this is passed.


17 posted on 05/28/2010 11:26:33 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Thank you for your reply to my post.

I hope they fail at the attempt.


18 posted on 05/28/2010 11:30:13 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: jazusamo

I thought Congress was waiting for the Pentagon report - not that I’m holding my breath for that report? So we pass the law anyway before the report? Why do it in the first place if the conclusion is already known? Liars, lies and more lies.


19 posted on 05/28/2010 11:33:04 AM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: jazusamo

I find the prejudice of this legislation not to already include them — disturbing.


20 posted on 05/28/2010 11:33:47 AM PDT by edcoil (Kingdoms have never survived. Don't let any new ones be formed.)
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To: jazusamo
Public Law: "Homosexuality is incompatible with military service."

Back on the ranch we used the word "service" meaning copulation by a male: "Farmer Miller got a bull to service all his cattle."

So I guess the gay agenda activists just can't wait to service our military...

21 posted on 05/28/2010 11:36:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: jazusamo

If recruiting is difficult now, how will an all volunteer homosexualized military work?

I for one would not want my son or daughter to serve subject to the orders of sexual perverts.


22 posted on 05/28/2010 11:39:36 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This law would allow Gays to marry each other WHILE IN UNIFORM! Can you see the press fawning over two Marines locking lips under crossed swords?


23 posted on 05/28/2010 11:40:43 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

>:o/


24 posted on 05/28/2010 11:45:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: musicman

only FABULOUS grenades.


25 posted on 05/28/2010 11:56:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: AnalogReigns

The left is counting on this.

The left wants extinction for the normal and lieberman is a useful senile idiot for this.


26 posted on 05/28/2010 11:57:05 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Cheetahcat
What is next for the Rats??? Pedophiles and child molesters?

Silly, they reserve that for themselves.

27 posted on 05/28/2010 12:50:45 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: musicman
I hope they fail at the attempt.

Obama gave us hope, Congress gives us the change. It is a done deal.

28 posted on 05/28/2010 12:54:19 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: jazusamo

Lieberman, what a snake.


29 posted on 05/28/2010 2:24:06 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (http://www.arizona-coffee.com/coffee-roasters-arizona)
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To: La Enchiladita
Lieberman, what a snake.

That is true, but sure as the sun rises in the east, at some point some FReepers with a short memory span will ooh and aah over him should he take some contrarian position favorable to conservatives (witness the vote on health care when he threatened to stop it).

The man is an unabashed liberal to his very core. Never forget that.

30 posted on 05/28/2010 3:58:06 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Back on the ranch we used the word “service” meaning copulation by a male: “Farmer Miller got a bull to service all his cattle.”
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Wow, according to the driver’s manual it’s time to have my transmission serviced!


31 posted on 05/28/2010 5:19:36 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: massgopguy
"This law would allow Gays to marry each other WHILE IN UNIFORM! Can you see the press fawning over two Marines locking lips under crossed swords?" It's already happened in the UK. Do we really want our armed forces to become a bunch of fruits wearing bridal gowns?
32 posted on 05/28/2010 8:25:52 PM PDT by DesertRenegade
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To: jazusamo; All

“My views on repeal of [don’t ask, don’t tell] have not changed since my testimony,” Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey wrote. “I remain convinced that it is critically important to get a better understanding of where our Soldiers and Families are on this issue,”

I’m glad that the actual service chiefs are showing some spine on this. Secretary Gates and JCS Chairman Admiral Mullin are, metaphorically speaking, nothing more that catamites to the administrations & congress’ pederest inclinations on this critical issue.

This issue should NOT even be considered until after the November election and a new congress is sworn in. This will give the people the ability to speak. I do not believe that President Obama has any “mandate” anymore (if he ever did). This move is a desparation act to foist a bad policy on the nation before the, soon to be gone, congress changes because of their ineptness on so many issues.


33 posted on 05/28/2010 8:47:19 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: jazusamo

Placemark for pingout tomorrow.

BLECH BLECH BLECH


34 posted on 05/28/2010 8:50:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: jazusamo

CNS News is a reliable source for solid background on this, including links to earlier news reports. CNS is an excellent alternative to the liberal media. Recommended!


35 posted on 05/28/2010 10:42:15 PM PDT by mtntop3
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